May 24, 201510 yr love the winner, but also loved Italy - there is now a convincing reason to get rid of the juries. The wrong song won according to voters from all nations, who all had generally (bar a few neighbouring country bias votes) the same faves coming up - looks like running order is more important than staging gimmicks these days, and politics really doesn't influence votes that much, the songs do.
May 24, 201510 yr The running order matters more with the televoting.. one reason I'm glad that juries exist.
May 24, 201510 yr Just noticed: Finland and Czech Republic 10th in the semis on televoting? :( Get rid of the juries THIS INSTANT. Suppose that says there is some semblance of a rock vote out there at least, if we can get a year where the juries aren't allergic to it maybe one will qualify again.
May 24, 201510 yr According to calculations by another forum: If the voting was televoting only... 1st - Italy - 356 2nd - Russia - 286 3rd - Sweden - 272 4th - Belgium - 190 5th - Estonia - 144 6th - Australia - 124 7th - Israel - 102 8th - Albania - 93 9th - Latvia - 88 10th - Serbia - 86 11th - Armenia - 77 12th - Romania - 69 13th - Georgia - 51 14th - Azerbaijan - 48 15th - Poland - 47 16th - Lithuania - 44 17th - Norway - 37 18th - Montenegro - 34 19th - Slovenia - 27 20th - Spain - 26 21st - Greece - 24 22nd - Hungary - 17 23rd - Cyprus - 8 24th - Germany - 5 25th - United Kingdom - 4 26th - France - 3 27th - Austria - 0 If the voting was juries only... 1st - Sweden - 353 2nd - Latvia - 249 3rd - Russia - 234 4th - Australia - 224 5th - Belgium - 186 6th - Italy - 171 7th - Norway - 163 8th - Israel - 77 9th - Cyprus - 63 10th - Georgia - 62 11th - Estonia - 53 12th - Montenegro - 44 13th - Austria - 40 14th - Azerbaijan - 40 15th - Slovenia - 36 16th - Lithuania - 31 17th - Hungary - 29 18th - Greece - 29 19th - France - 24 20th - Germany - 24 21st - Romania - 21 22nd - Armenia - 15 23rd - United Kingdom - 12 24th - Serbia - 12 25th - Spain - 6 26th - Albania - 4 27th - Poland - 2 anyone have these split scoreboards for the semifinals?
May 24, 201510 yr love the winner, but also loved Italy - there is now a convincing reason to get rid of the juries. The wrong song won according to voters from all nations, who all had generally (bar a few neighbouring country bias votes) the same faves coming up - looks like running order is more important than staging gimmicks these days, and politics really doesn't influence votes that much, the songs do. I don't believe the juries were implemented with the philosophy that them reversing a public decision was unacceptable. If they couldn't do that their existence would be pretty meaningless. Obviously the winner being different is a bit controversial but you could just as easily make an argument that they need to do something about the running order here - it's not coincidence that Italy and Russia were top 2 on the televote from the final 3 slots. Eurovision results have confounds. That's kind of something you have to accept.
May 24, 201510 yr According to calculations by another forum: If the voting was televoting only... 1st - Italy - 356 2nd - Russia - 286 3rd - Sweden - 272 4th - Belgium - 190 5th - Estonia - 144 6th - Australia - 124 7th - Israel - 102 8th - Albania - 93 9th - Latvia - 88 10th - Serbia - 86 11th - Armenia - 77 12th - Romania - 69 13th - Georgia - 51 14th - Azerbaijan - 48 15th - Poland - 47 16th - Lithuania - 44 17th - Norway - 37 18th - Montenegro - 34 19th - Slovenia - 27 20th - Spain - 26 21st - Greece - 24 22nd - Hungary - 17 23rd - Cyprus - 8 24th - Germany - 5 25th - United Kingdom - 4 26th - France - 3 27th - Austria - 0 If the voting was juries only... 1st - Sweden - 353 2nd - Latvia - 249 3rd - Russia - 234 4th - Australia - 224 5th - Belgium - 186 6th - Italy - 171 7th - Norway - 163 8th - Israel - 77 9th - Cyprus - 63 10th - Georgia - 62 11th - Estonia - 53 12th - Montenegro - 44 13th - Austria - 40 14th - Azerbaijan - 40 15th - Slovenia - 36 16th - Lithuania - 31 17th - Hungary - 29 18th - Greece - 29 19th - France - 24 20th - Germany - 24 21st - Romania - 21 22nd - Armenia - 15 23rd - United Kingdom - 12 24th - Serbia - 12 25th - Spain - 6 26th - Albania - 4 27th - Poland - 2 Latvia number 2 in juries :cheer: - I think well deserved winner tbh.
May 24, 201510 yr Latvia 2nd with juries but the awesomeness of Serbia 24th LOL Does the disqualification of Macedonia and Montenegro explain the latter?
May 24, 201510 yr love the winner, but also loved Italy - there is now a convincing reason to get rid of the juries. The wrong song won according to voters from all nations, who all had generally (bar a few neighbouring country bias votes) the same faves coming up - looks like running order is more important than staging gimmicks these days, and politics really doesn't influence votes that much, the songs do. Getting rid of juries would be a massive mistake in my opinion, it's no coincidence that since 2009 the quality of entries has increased massively and the number of novelty entries has decreased to barely anything this year. Fair enough it is harsh on Italy and if the UK were in the same position I would be very disappointed but having jury voting has really reversed the negativity that surrounded the contest in the 2000s and it's no coincidence either that since 2009 and the jury re-introduction every song bar 'Running Scared' has been a big success on European charts. This chart success gives the contest credibility and I really think the contest is in the best position it has ever been in on the whole. anyone have these split scoreboards for the semifinals? They are all on the Eurovision 2015 Wikipedia page now! :D
May 24, 201510 yr Totally agree - 50/50 split is, on balance, the best way to decide the winner. More often than not, jury and televote agree on the winner. This year was indeed interesting, but it's the law that is sod that Italy didn't win (I'm secretly VERY glad, I hate opera!). I also agree jury vote is there to put a lid on the novelty acts and IMO they voted a sublime top two this year! Edited May 24, 201510 yr by ScottyEm
May 24, 201510 yr I don't really understand why people say 'oh the juries didn't vote for the same winner as the televoters' is a justification in itself for getting rid of the juries. Of course you're going to run the risk of that happening if it's a dual system - it's built right into it and to be expected to happen sometimes. I'm REALLY pleased they stopped Italy from winning, but I would prefer the jury influence to be tamped down a little - I hold it almost wholly responsible for the rise of Boreovision.
May 24, 201510 yr I suppose this year also disproved the belief that juries don't vote for party songs with Israel finishing top 10 in both the televote and with the jury in the final. Hopefully that encourages more party tracks to be entered in future!
May 25, 201510 yr Author If only the finalists had voted. 1. Sweden 239 2. Russia 208 3. Italy 204 4. Belgium 152 5. Australia 130 6. Latvia 121 7. Estonia 72 8. Israel 65 9. Norway 54 10. Montenegro 40 11. Georgia 39 12. Serbia 34 13. Slovenia 28 14. Azerbaijan 26 15. Armenia 25 16. Greece 23 17. Lithuania 22 18. Albania 22 19. Romania 17 20. Hungary 14 21. Cyprus 11 22. Spain 10 23. Poland 7 24. France 3 25. Germany 0 26. United Kingdom 0 27. Austria 0 The semi finalists saving us from nul points!
May 25, 201510 yr According to my calculations [/dexterslab], if you'd have done the semis under the 2010-2012 voting system, the Semi One qualifiers would have remained unchanged but in Semi 2 Malta would have made it over Azerbaijan. That's two years now that Azerbaijan have been on the verge of not qualifying iirc.
May 25, 201510 yr If only the finalists had voted. 1. Sweden 239 2. Russia 208 3. Italy 204 4. Belgium 152 5. Australia 130 6. Latvia 121 7. Estonia 72 8. Israel 65 9. Norway 54 10. Montenegro 40 11. Georgia 39 12. Serbia 34 13. Slovenia 28 14. Azerbaijan 26 15. Armenia 25 16. Greece 23 17. Lithuania 22 18. Albania 22 19. Romania 17 20. Hungary 14 21. Cyprus 11 22. Spain 10 23. Poland 7 24. France 3 25. Germany 0 26. United Kingdom 0 27. Austria 0 The semi finalists saving us from nul points! Thank god for our friends in Ireland, Portugal and San Marino :drama:
May 26, 201510 yr Also, according to my calculations, this is what the final results would have been under the old jury/televote system of 2009-2012 01 SWEDEN 364 02 ITALY 310 03 RUSSIA 290 04 BELGIUM 218 05 LATVIA 174 06 AUSTRALIA 167 07 ESTONIA 96 08 NORWAY 90 09 ISRAEL 73 10 ALBANIA 64 11 ARMENIA 54 12 GEORGIA 51 13 SERBIA 49 14 ROMANIA 43 (more votes) 15 AZERBAIJAN 43 16 MONTENEGRO 42 17 SLOVENIA 41 18 LITHUANIA 33 19 GREECE 23 20 CYPRUS 22 21 POLAND 18 22 HUNGARY 15 23 GERMANY 8 24 FRANCE 7 (more votes) 25 SPAIN 7 26 AUSTRIA 6 27 UNITED KINGDOM 4 Those 4 points for the UK were the 3 from the San Marino jury and (strangely) a single point from Switzerland.
May 26, 201510 yr Only ranking Top 10 songs and then combining jury and televote. Now they rank them all.
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