April 12, 20169 yr I think the second member of PF Project was Moussa Clarke, not Marcus Thomas. Marcus performed on a Tzant record as well but he was a rapper, not producer. Was also in Clock. Great record anyway!
April 12, 20169 yr A big hit is enough to kill a genre? Sounds very elitist to me. Eh? It did though, nothing to do with my tastes. By early 1998 the likes of Ooh La La by the Wiseguys, Rockefeller Skank by Fat Boy Slim etc. had brought the genre into the top 10. Meanwhile, several others who had been part of the scene (Cut La Roc, Jon Carter etc) moved away from a sound that had become very commercial. There's a direct parallel with rave in the second half of 1992.
April 12, 20169 yr Author It happens in a lot of genres. I still think it's elitist of artists to move away purely because the sound has become commercial.
April 12, 20169 yr Btw I'm surprised you didn't include Aqua after including Rednex who had pretty much the same formula
April 12, 20169 yr Author Btw I'm surprised you didn't include Aqua after including Rednex who had pretty much the same formula There was a line. On one side of it were Aqua, Gina G, Freddie Mercury. On the other side of it were Dannii Minogue, Rednex and Los Del Rio. We had to draw it somewhere and we didn't spend many hours worrying about it :)
April 12, 20169 yr I'm surprised you didn't consider Living On My Own a dance record, but yeah it's difficult to know where the line is, which I found when I did my Top 300 Dance Singles of the 90s list
April 12, 20169 yr I think the second member of PF Project was Moussa Clarke, not Marcus Thomas. Marcus performed on a Tzant record as well but he was a rapper, not producer. Was also in Clock. Great record anyway! Yes you are correct it was Moussa Clarke - I had it written down as him initially but for some reason copied over Marcus for some reason before posting!
April 12, 20169 yr There was a line. On one side of it were Aqua, Gina G, Freddie Mercury. On the other side of it were Dannii Minogue, Rednex and Los Del Rio. We had to draw it somewhere and we didn't spend many hours worrying about it :) I would switch sides for all those, except for Daniii.
April 13, 20169 yr It happens in a lot of genres. I still think it's elitist of artists to move away purely because the sound has become commercial. Raises an interesting point though. In many cases the originators, trailblazers and, well, interesting artists had been producing that kind of music for 2-3 years and are understandably tired / bitter by the time the genre-hoppers come along and produce music purely for the late commercial market. It makes sense that they'd be ready to move on and that they might take a dim view to the use of obvious samples that make it less about music and more about the quick recognition factor (Trainspotting, Sesame Street, Tetris). As it goes, Norman Cook is usually there at the inception of a music scene. He was a UK dance pioneer in the late 80s and I think even started producing remixes on Housemartins B-sides before releasing dance singles, then in 1995 he released one of the first Big Beat singles as Fatboy Slim in 'Santa Cruz'. Therefore, I can't really call him an opportunistic bandwagon jumper, but he sure knows how to subsequently garrotte the life out of a genre by going way over the top.
April 13, 20169 yr There was a line. On one side of it were Aqua, Gina G, Freddie Mercury. On the other side of it were Dannii Minogue, Rednex and Los Del Rio. We had to draw it somewhere and we didn't spend many hours worrying about it :) That's pretty ridiculous. Dance is dance, no matter what sub-genre it falls under. You can't pick and choose what ones appeal to you and ignore certain tracks. I don't see any logic in allowing Rednex for example than disallowing Freddie Mercury. Especially when Rednex is the cheesier of the two :/ I mean it's your list and I am enjoying it don't get me wrong but there is no consistency whatsoever.
April 13, 20169 yr Author You can't pick and choose what ones appeal to you and ignore certain tracks. I think we can B-) Because we just did. Consistency is a bit too subjective to apply here. We feel we are being consistent. You don't. I dont see what cheese has got to do with it. At no point has anything been left out because it was too cheesy. Tracks were left out if they were deemed too pop. Perhaps we could have spend more time deliberating on Living On My Own and decided it was dance enough to include. It didn't happen that way. Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Colm
April 13, 20169 yr Author It would say that it's more dictatorial but I'm fine with elitist too. B-) Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Colm
April 14, 20169 yr personally I think Aqua is 100% pop, no dance at all, just cos you can dance to something in a bar doesn't make it dance music Faithless are dance, Aqua are not
April 14, 20169 yr Author personally I think Aqua is 100% pop, no dance at all, just cos you can dance to something in a bar doesn't make it dance music Faithless are dance, Aqua are not And what about Rednex?
April 14, 20169 yr personally Rednex, Macarena, Gina G, they're all pop not dance, but of course, you guys are the ones making the list so I'm not complaining
April 14, 20169 yr Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining too, as it's been of of the most fascinating threads of buzzjack, I just thought Rednex and Aqua should be on the same side from that "line".
April 14, 20169 yr Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining too, as it's been of of the most fascinating threads of buzzjack, I just thought Rednex and Aqua should be on the same side from that "line". Yes this was my point. The consistency is the issue at hand. Rednex are cut from the same cloth as Aqua so why is one allowed and not the other?
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