I hope loads die, Rosita, Eugene, Sasha, the kid with the gun, fat useless storeroom lady, Deanna (god her face is the most scary thing about the show) and especially Judith. Someone holding the baby in a scene every ep gets boring.

 

 

Oh and Morgan, I hope that broom handle gets speared through him.

Oh and Morgan, I hope that broom handle gets speared through him.

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The show needs Morgan right now. His role is to be the yin to Rick's yang. His path is almost the exact opposite of Rick's. The contrast between Rick and Morgan is the only part of the show that has any subtext to it (with the occasional exception of some of Carol's moments).

 

The show needs Morgan right now. His role is to be the yin to Rick's yang. His path is almost the exact opposite of Rick's. The contrast between Rick and Morgan is the only part of the show that has any subtext to it (with the occasional exception of some of Carol's moments).

 

I'm assuming the Morgan / Rick relationship must be integral to the graphic novels (which I haven't read) and there must be a lot of love for Morgan - but as far as the TV series goes I just don't get it. You hardly know he's there. And the episode with the goat-keeping peace-keeper - they killed the wrong guy. Daryl is long past his sell-by date as well. I honestly don't know why I still watch it - I really don't - apart from Carol being totally watchable in every scene she's in.

Morgan is just Father Gabriel mark 2. At least with Gabriel he actually had a reason to be the pacifist because of his religion and being sheltered through the ZA, Morgan has supposedly done a 180 because of some fat man with a goat even after all he has been through. Not only that but he was close to insanity at one point when we saw him again in season 3 was it. His current state is as unbelievable as it is annoying.

 

The even more annoying thing is Father Gabriel is basically a mark 2 Tyreese who was also the pacifist of the group.

 

Nothing between Rick and Morgan thus far has been interesting.

 

Morgan 'did a 180' because a professional criminal psychologist got inside his head and slowly (over an unspecified period) changed his outlook. That is quite believable even if it wasn't done as well as it could be.

But Morgan's purpose on the show (no idea about the comics) is to act as foreshadowing of what might be. Morgan's more controlled and disciplined stance is exactly how Rick began the series whereas Morgan began the show lost for purpose, hope and even sanity. Rick's path is taking him to a place much like Morgan began in. With Morgan heading the opposite path it's the contrast between them that has been one of the shows themes this season.

 

Granted, they've kept it fairly background but those 2 characters are pretty much the only ones in the show with any kind of subtext going on. Daryl and Carol have in the past but that seems to have been sidelined. Carl too.

Before the season started Morgan had no one in the world who knew him except Rick, and Morgan saved Rick when he had no-one in the world. The two share a bond and Morgan finally tracking Rick down only to discover that he's no longer the man Morgan knew, and that they now have almost polar opposite views leaves many potentially great plots and subplots open to the writers.

 

That is why Morgan is important to the show even if he isn't that interesting to watch... yet

I still don't buy it. If criminal psychologist were able to do such a thing (and in a relatively short time) we wouldn't need prisons, we'd have courses with them and that bloody book he was going on about. Not to mention the world they are living in now is the most primal it can get, it is all about surviving any way possible.

 

It is just the same storyline we had with Tyreese, even down to Tyreese letting someone live who ended up being a threat to the group again. Copy and paste with Morgan and the Wolves he let go who then attacked Rick. Tyreese had endless speeches about right and wrong and was constantly opposing views of Rick.

 

Heck we had Dale for 2 seasons who played the pacifist role. The guy locked in the barn, deciding on his life was much more morally interesting than anything Rick and Morgan are giving us right now.

 

They have just ruined Morgan's character for me, made him seem completely out of touch with the world he is living in, when he is probably the one person who has lived and experienced it being as bad and as harsh as it could be and on his own.

 

I think you are reading far too much into what could potentially happen, that hasn't happened yet and hasn't already been explored on the show before and better done so far.

I'm not reading more into it than is already there. It's pretty obvious what I'm referring to is deliberate and whether you think it works for you or the show is irrelevant.

 

And Morgan was clearly never a psycho path but obviously mentally ill. That is hardly stretching it for you to believe people can recover from that, surely?

A quick Google search threw this up so it's clearly not just me

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Walk...ther-89097.html

Heck we had Dale for 2 seasons who played the pacifist role. The guy locked in the barn, deciding on his life was much more morally interesting than anything Rick and Morgan are giving us right now.

 

You know at the time I thought that season 2 was a tad boring. Looking at the show now - I look longingly back at those days!

You know at the time I thought that season 2 was a tad boring. Looking at the show now - I look longingly back at those days!

 

Season 2 had some boring episodes (the big increase in ep order from series 1 to 2 probably accounted for this). It lead to the searching for Sofia storyline to be dragged out a bit too long. It however had some great stuff in it, Daryl's character growth was done well. Dale and Andrea having a strained father and daughter relationship. Shane getting closer and closer to the edge and lots more.

 

One huge problem of the walking dead now is the characters so rarely talk to each other these days. Take the last episode for example, was there even a meaningful conversation between anyone? They are in the aftermath of a big event of the ASZ being invaded and no one seems to be talking about it or what happened or the future.

 

We just found out Maggie is pregnant and Glenn is missing presumed dead by some, why did we not get Maggie having a heart to heart with say Carol about how tough it would be to having this child and how she feared it would be something else that could be torn away from her like her dad, Beth and now maybe Glenn has been too.

 

Instead we have Spencer, the biggest coward so far, risking life randomly to waste 5 minutes of what could have been something meaningful.

I still don't buy it. If criminal psychologist were able to do such a thing (and in a relatively short time) we wouldn't need prisons, we'd have courses with them and that bloody book he was going on about. Not to mention the world they are living in now is the most primal it can get, it is all about surviving any way possible.

not every criminal psychologist is good and not every case is the same

One huge problem of the walking dead now is the characters so rarely talk to each other these days. Take the last episode for example, was there even a meaningful conversation between anyone? They are in the aftermath of a big event of the ASZ being invaded and no one seems to be talking about it or what happened or the future.

 

We just found out Maggie is pregnant and Glenn is missing presumed dead by some, why did we not get Maggie having a heart to heart with say Carol about how tough it would be to having this child and how she feared it would be something else that could be torn away from her like her dad, Beth and now maybe Glenn has been too.

 

Instead we have Spencer, the biggest coward so far, risking life randomly to waste 5 minutes of what could have been something meaningful.

they have a huge rock hanging over their heads in the form of hundreds of zombies trying to break down the wall. i don't think it's approproate time to do the whole circle jerk therapy thing.

 

because she's not that kind of character you presume her or she used to be, maybe? no one would believe it if the writers suddenly did the whole 'woe is me' scene with maggie! especially just a couple of days after glenn was missing. she still believed he was alive ffs!

 

i think spencer's act was a big thing for his character. look at where he was merely a few episodes before. hiding in the truck when the wolves attacked alexandria.

in season 2 we had LOTS of talking, they demanded action. now there's plenty of action, they want talking scenes. so what's it gonna be?!

Eww, Season 2. -_- I'd say only Episode 1 & Episode 13 are really worth watching. Thinking back to that season, all that stands out is them spending what felt like an eternity on that farm, endlessly & aimlessly searching for Sofia for half the season, and a lot of dumb moments & comments, usually coming from Lori - lol.

 

These videos focus on what went wrong with Season 2 (with a bit about S1 in the first video), and for the most part I agree with the points being raised.

 

 

The show has come a loooong way since then, thankfully.

I cant believe anyone can prefer the current walking dead to early seasons? They showed with the Glenn thing they don't have the balls to kill off a main character any more.

 

Rick is in an RV being surrounded by walkers, he ends up at the gates of the ASZ fine and dandy and they don't even feel the need to show how these days because Rick and co are invincible and people don't even question it now.

 

 

There's imperfections in the current season, for sure, but crucially it is more entertaining to watch on the whole.

 

Season 1 was generally great, particularly the first episode. Season 2 was like the TV equivalent of watching paint dry, for the most part. The writing quality slipped and the budget cuts were evident. They stretched out what was a relatively small part of the comic series and made it into a whole season. The walkers coming in Episode 13 was a relief. :lol: Thankfully the show picked up again with Season 3.

Have you guys seen season 2 since it aired? Because I rewatched them all before Season 5 and season 2 seemed a lot better than I had previously thought it to be. It was slow definitely, but it was still quite gripping, especially for character development at that point in the series, but I kind of let it slide due to it being ordered for more seasons, but having the same budget as season 1!

Have you guys seen season 2 since it aired? Because I rewatched them all before Season 5 and season 2 seemed a lot better than I had previously thought it to be. It was slow definitely, but it was still quite gripping, especially for character development at that point in the series, but I kind of let it slide due to it being ordered for more seasons, but having the same budget as season 1!

 

Yep apart from being a bit slow at times season 2 was a good mix. Daryl's character grew greatly through it and his friendship with Carol was all planted from that season. They were brave enough to kill off Shane even though up until his death he was as equally important to the show as Rick.

 

Maggie was a genuinely strong and interesting character, not the Glenn obsessed shadow she is now.

 

The reveal of Sofia coming out of the barn was a really shocking moment and a great pay off to the look for Sofia storyline. Dale's death was nice and random a 'anyone can be killed at any moment feeling'.

 

The final ep was a real turning point for a lot of characters, Andrea getting separated from the group, Hershel realising there was no saving the walkers it was saving yourself and your family, Rick revealing they were all infected.

 

So many of the storylines actually came from season 2, Rick's 'Ricktatorship', lori's pregnancy and thus Judith, Glenn and Maggies relationship, Michonne finding Andrea thus the group eventually, Carol and Daryl's friendship.