I'm not sure we should turn this into an opportunity to become a Lounge Mod.

 

 

This.

 

Stinks of opportunism, Regina.

buzzjacks next top mod

 

where do I sign up

I much doubt he will do something like this again. It might be that he's been used to abusing power in plug.dj (far less important than BJ) and he just didn't think when he did so on here.

We all like to abuse our higher priveliges at SOME point, Lee just chose the wrong moment and went with BJSC :(

Lee just went from legend to below Spadam in a day.

If (and at this stage it is still if, I've simply given my opinion) Lee remains as Lounge Mod it will be in a capacity that he is no longer in charge of rate tabulation or calculating awards etc. I 100% believe that Lee has accepted the gravity of the situation and his actions (his apology, late as it may be, was heartfelt and honest and he totally held his hands up).

 

I don't think stripping him of everything is the way to go here. He is a valued member of the site who contributes more than most other members both in time and effort. I'm not saying that just because he does more than others he gets a free pass, as I've said above IF HE STAYS it will be with strict rules on what he can and cannot do. Plus, I do think that he would leave if we were to do this and, again, this is not in itself a valid reason for keeping him on. However, altogether those add up to enough to warrant his staying, in my opinion.

 

The other GM's and Admin's have yet to fully discuss the situation and I will happily abide by a decision to remove him if it comes to it. I just wanted to lay out my thoughts in some detail for you all. Lee is my friend, but as a member of management I have to put that to one side and make these decisions based on what I think is best for all concerned. I'm not for a moment suggesting that there aren't warranted concerns and valid reasons to remove him, but some of this is feeling a little anti-Lee rather than simply anti-what he did.

Oh, why stop at the Lounge Mod position? This is all grounds to ban him from Buzzjack completely. -_-

 

In all seriousness though, I do agree with John. Yeah all this seems kinda fishy, but let's not completely degrade him for one ginormous scandal (even if it is one as big as BJSC).

Is this not the first time he has done anything like this though? Doesn't that count for something?

It's the first time he's been caught doing something like this.

A ban from the contest is fair, but asking for me to be removed as Lounge Mod is too much. I put so much into it, I love the lounge, I love Buzzjack and I really don't think one mistake, however big, should take away from all the good I feel I've done over the last few years.

 

I have to say I agree. This was an incident that happened in the BuzzJack Song Contest forum, so it would make sense to keep the punishment in there too. If this genuinely is a one off and there is no reason to think any other votes across the site were victim to the same shenanigans as the last contest, then I don't see why Lee should also be stripped of his Lounge Mod position as well as his right to enter BJSC. From what I have seen, Lee is very hardworking, I mean not many of us could juggle a job, university, and hosting things and moderating on here, so credit where credit is due :)

I'm with John.This is all a little Anti-Lee.

I think we should all take a step back and let the mods deal with this Now. He's finally apologised, he's being punished. What else is there? Going On about it now is kinda pointless. Let's get over it and see what happens.

Can we please try and keep the discussion here reasonable on track i.e. within the remit of BJSC. I understand that people have misgivings about Lee and The Lounge, but this isn't an appropriate place for those. It is far beyond our powers as BJSC moderators to have any input or control over that. As it rightly should be. Personally I do not have an issue with Lee and The Lounge, and the result of the Rate is in no way in doubt. That result was calculated by two people and both Bré and I had a role in error checking those sheets when they didn't match perfectly. (All were simple typo's that were easily fixed) There is also no denying the work that Lee has put into rebuilding the community there.

 

 

As for BJSC, I'm glad that Lee has taken the time to admit and apologise for his actions.

 

 

For pure clarity, we disqualified Important because its score was altered. We could have left it in second place but that didn't feel appropriate. We handed down a ban of at least 6 months because we wanted to make it abundantly clear that this is absolutely not tolerated. We also have handed a permanent hosting ban down. This includes co-hosting and spin-offs. The reason we did this is because we want to ensure that we (that's us as mods and you as participants) have not even the slightest doubt about the trustworthiness of our host and the reliability of the results, and we also want to make it abundantly clear that these actions are not taken lightly and will not be tolerated by us. We feel that this is fair. (Given that alias accounts get a permanent participation ban, a hosting ban is comparable) We understand if you do not, but please appreciate that we cannot act lightly here as we'd really love to ensure that this remains a one-off.

 

 

Anyway, I will leave this open for as long as the discussion within stays relevant. (Please feel free to chuck about some ideas on how this can be prevented in the future, or if you don't think there is any requirements for us to take further actions) Discussions about things that happen outside of this forum should be kept outside of this forum. If you have a serious issue, please do raise it with Management. There is absolutely nothing that myself and the rest of the team can do so it'd probably be best to discuss your concerns directly with the appropriate powers.

I do agree with there being a third party to help handle votes with the hosts (preferably the co-hosts, I know I could have done it last month, but I was kinda scared that I would have messed up the scores again :P). At least that means there are two parties handling the votes rather than one.

 

Jade, take notes.

I don't actually feel that any other action should be taken to prevent this sort of thing in the future aside from the punishment issued to Lee as an example. The fact that one member has done what They did does not mean the whole community on here is the same. All of the contestants And members of this forum should be trustworthy and I'm pretty sure the majority of members here have no problem trusting their hosts so I don't see a need to change anything UNLESS something like this happens again but I really don't see how it would. It's clear that everyone that takes part enjoys BJSC and/or hosting so why would they now take the chance full and well knowing that they could be banned for participating for months and never allowed to host again. Maybe I'm naive but that's just the way I see it.

Edited September 30, 20159 yr by JSG

Maybe have like an independent adjudicator behind each competition to double check the votes to help with errors and typos? So votes get sent to 2 people instead of 1.

 

I think it was a one-off mistake but some might have problems trustinh so an adjudicator might help.

Maybe have like an independent adjudicator behind each competition to double check the votes to help with errors and typos? So votes get sent to 2 people instead of 1.

 

I think it was a one-off mistake but some might have problems trustinh so an adjudicator might help.

I always thought votes were handed to the BJSC mods as well as the host (s) anyway...

Not because they couldn't be trusted, but to make sure there aren't any mistakes like Buzzr8!

I always thought votes were handed to the BJSC mods as well as the host (s) anyway...

Not because they couldn't be trusted, but to make sure there aren't any mistakes like Buzzr8!

Maybe, but those are caught after the fact.

In honesty I'm not sure there really is the need for a rule change to prevent this happening again unless it *does* happen again. As long as people pay attention to their votes when they're announced then vote tampering is pretty self-policing really; and a host takes it into their own hands if they pester people to vote for them. There's already far too much busywork with things like each mod separately doing the veto without having several people add up votes when that wasn't really the issue here.

i'm actually really happy with how this has been handled - lee's done some shit which has been outed, there was an eventual apology, the punishment seems appropriate... as for the lounge it IS a different story. sure we'll cast doubt on maybe some things in the past and future etc but the lounge mods have suggested maybe putting a cap on hosting for the time being so that's that - there's really nothing else to be done is there? like i legit think every course of action has been taken so it seems fitting to put it to bed now - i think lee gets the picture.