Take That & Westlife

April 4, 20178 yr

A few years ago a new greatest hits with all the hits from patience onwards would have been a huge seller but i wouldnt be so confident now. I would think the new Greatest Hits whenever we get it would have to have a mixture of old and new, the track listing could be heavy on the music since the reform and be select with the songs from the past but they would also need to add at least 2-3 brand new tracks.

My suggestion for the title this time would be Rule The World, The Very Best of Take That.

May 13, 20178 yr

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Now, its clear that TT is better than WL

August 19, 20177 yr

In terms of YouTube views the two groups top 10 are these.

Take That

1.Back For Good: 38.3 million

2.The Flood: 32 million

3.Rule The World: 30.2 million

4.Patience: 24.5 million

5.These Days: 15.5 million

6.Greatest Day: 15 million

7.How Deep Is Your Love: 12.7 million

8.Love Love / Shine: 11.8 million

9.Kidz: 8.7 million

10.Get Ready For It: 5.8 million

Westlife

1.My Love: 113 million

2.If I Let You Go: 57.3 million

3.You Raise Me Up: 56.6 million

4.Fool Again: 42.5 million

5.Seasons in the Sun: 29.1 million

6.Swear It Again: 28.8 million

7.I Lay My Love on You: 26.6 million

8.Queen of My Heart: 26.5 million

9.Flying Without Wings: 25.6 million

10.I Have a Dream: 23.3 million

Edited February 26, 20187 yr by nirvanamusic

August 28, 20177 yr

Take That

1991: 50,000 (estimate as only Do What U Like #82 and Promises #38 were released this year and based upon 1991 sales patterns)

1992: 983,500

1993: 2,137,000

1994: 1,340,500

1995: 2,020,000

1996: 1,740,000

2005: 754,862

2006: 1,850,000

2007: 2,416,521

2008: 2,711,766

2009: 2,238,970

2010: 3,015,311

2011: 1,146,700

2012: 65,000

2014: 579,000

2015: 360,000

2016: 60,000

2017: 217,250

2018: 231,290

2019: 106,400

Total records sold in Britain = 23,964,034

Westlife

1999: 2,202,814

2000: 3,084,643

2001: 2,360,000

2002: 1,790,000

2003: 1,229,000

2004: 810,000

2005: 1,630,000

2006: 1,420,000

2007: 1,395,233

2008: 441,004

2009: 636,455

2010: 476,437

2011: 423,200

2012: 78,600

2019: 331,200

Total records sold in Britain = 18,308,586

Top 10 years between both

1. Westlife - 3,084,643 (2000)

2. Take That - 3,015,311 (2010)

3. Take That - 2,711,766 (2008)

4. Take That - 2,416,521 (2007)

5. Westlife - 2,360,000 (2001)

6. Take That - 2,238,970 (2009)

7. Westlife - 2,202,814 (1999)

8. Take That - 2,137,000 (1993)

9. Take That - 2,020,000 (1995)

10. Take That - 1,850,000 (2006)

Edited January 7, 20205 yr by nirvanamusic

September 7, 20177 yr

For the longest time I've been interested in which songs by Take That are most popular especially outside of Europe and on different continents.

The hardest to find are Africa, Asia and South America so I decided the best way to find out would be to surf through their countries iTunes store instead!

I'll start with:

AFRICA

Botswana: Shine

Cape Verde: Patience

Egypt: Rule The World

Ghana: Back For Good

Kenya: Back For Good

Mauritius: Back For Good

Mozambique: Back For Good

Nambia: Back For Good

Nigeria: Rule The World

South Africa: Patience

Uganda: Back For Good

Zimbabwe: The Flood

continent song count:

Back For Good: 6

Patience: 2

Rule The World: 2

Shine: 1

The Flood: 1

ASIA

Armenia: The Flood

Azerbaijan: How Deep Is Your Love

Bahrain: Rule The World

Brunei Darussalam: Back For Good

Cambodia: Patience

China: Patience

Fiji: Cry

Hong Kong: Back For Good

India: Back For Good

Indonesia: Back For Good

Israel: Patience

Japan: Patience

Jordan: These Days

Kazakhstan: Back For Good

Lebanon: Rule The World

Macau: How Deep Is Your Love

Malaysia: Back For Good

Mongolia: Back For Good

Oman: These Days

Philippines: Back For Good

Qatar: Back For Good

Saudi Arabia: Rule The World

Singapore: Back For Good

Sri Lanka: Back For Good

Taiwan: Patience

Thailand: Back For Good

UAE: Back For Good

Uzbekistan: Babe

Vietnam: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 14

Patience: 5

Rule The World: 3

How Deep Is Your Love: 2

These Days: 2

Babe: 1

Cry: 1

The Flood: 1

AUSTRALASIA

Australia: Back For Good

New Zealand: Back For Good

Papua New Guinea: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 3

EUROPE

Austria: The Flood

Belarus: Rule The World

Belgium: Back For Good

Bulgaria: Rule The World

Cyprus: Rule The World

Czech Republic: The Flood

Denmark: Patience

Estonia: Cry

Finland: Patience

France: The Flood

Germany: Patience

Greece: Patience

Hungary: Rule The World

Iceland: Back For Good

Ireland: Rule The World

Italy: The Flood

Latvia: These Days

Lithuania: Rule The World

Luxembourg: The Flood

Malta: Rule The World

Moldova: How Deep Is Your Love

Netherlands: The Flood

Norway: Patience

Poland: Rule The World

Portugal: The Flood

Romania: Rule The World

Russia: Babe

Slovakia: Rule The World

Slovenia: The Flood

Spain: Patience

Sweden: Patience

Switzerland: Patience

Turkey: Rule The World

Ukraine: Babe

UK: Shine

continent song count

Rule The World: 11

Patience: 8

The Flood: 8

Babe: 2

Back For Good: 2

Cry: 1

How Deep Is Your Love: 1

Shine: 1

These Days: 1

NORTH AMERICA

Antigua and Barbuda: Back For Good

Bahamas: Hey Boy

Barbados: These Days

Belize: Rule The World

Canada: Patience

Costa Rica: Back For Good

Dominican Republic: Back For Good

El Salvador: Back For Good

Guatemala: Back For Good

Honduras: Back For Good

Mexico: Back For Good

Nicaragua: Back For Good

Panama: Back For Good

Trinidad and Tobago: Back For Good

USA: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 11

Hey Boy: 1

Patience: 1

Rule The World: 1

These Days: 1

SOUTH AMERICA

Argentina: Back For Good

Bermuda: Greatest Day

Bolivia: Patience

Brazil: Back For Good

British Virgin Islands: These Days

Cayman Islands: Never Forget

Chile: Back For Good

Colombia: Back For Good

Ecuador: Back For Good

Paraguay: Back For Good

Peru: Back For Good

Venezuela: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 8

Greatest Day: 1

Never Forget: 1

Patience: 1

These Days: 1

Total song count for AFRICA, ASIA, AUSTRALASIA, EUROPE, NORTH AMERICA and SOUTH AMERICA.

Back For Good: 44

Patience: 17

Rule The World: 17

The Flood: 10

These Days: 5

Babe: 3

How Deep Is Your Love: 3

Cry: 2

Shine: 2

Greatest Day: 1

Hey Boy: 1

Never Forget: 1

Most popular songs by continents:

AFRICA: You Raise Me Up

ASIA: You Raise Me Up

AUSTRALASIA: You Raise Me Up

EUROPE: You Raise Me Up

NORTH AMERICA: Uptown Girl

SOUTH AMERICA: Uptown Girl

Edited October 4, 20186 yr by nirvanamusic

December 24, 20177 yr

Take That are better in my opinion, they have had a greater variety in terms of style of songs, from dance pop, 'It Only Takes A Minute' to Coldplay style pop rock, 'Said it All' to ballads, 'A Million Love Songs'.

March 18, 20187 yr

Louis Walsh the Westlife manager said a few months ago that a reunion would be the four of them and under no circumstances would Brian McFadden be a part of it despite his enthusiasm. Walsh explained the reason was they had 7 years after he left the band in 2004 and they are just better off all round as a four piece.

Granted they did have 7 extra years afterwards but their mammoth success Globally (1999 - 2002) was with Brian in the group and that can't be dismissed just for Walsh's personal reasons. It seems Walsh is still angered by McFadden as he felt the very real possibility of the band splitting soon after his departure. This didn't happen as we know but their sales never recovered and anyhow were already going down in 2003 with the 'Turnaround' album.

I would love to see a full reunion Westlife if it does happen for their fans as this is how they are remembered most. I think it's a Take That situation when they went with a different manager for the reunion to keep the possibility of Robbie returning in the mix. Had they stayed with Nigel I doubt highly Robbie would have returned and Jason may have been traded in for Shayne Ward (!) as was Nigels plan for a reunion.

I don't see Westlife either going with a new manager for a reunion other than Walsh as they wouldn't be able to function without him or Simon Cowell. I also don't see them standing up strongly for anything they want to do based on pattern of their initial career including having Brian back if they wanted it so. Their fans may never see a full reunion with Brian which would be a shame especially as in recent years he appears a lot more likable now with his television career and more rounded personality.

Edited March 18, 20187 yr by nirvanamusic

March 18, 20187 yr

I think we will see a reunion, perhaps for 10 years since the greatest hits or something. Although, I expect it to go a bit like the Boyzone comeback.

March 19, 20187 yr

I was thinking the same thing as the only two boybands to have achieved commercial success since reforming in the UK were Take That and to a much lesser extent Boyzone. I think Westlife would fall between the two perhaps.

The other boybands who have tried Blue, Let Loose, 911, Five, Busted, East 17, A1, Blazin' Squad, Bros and Damage haven't had any new commercial success or certifications for their recent output just low sales.

edit: Maybe I was being harsh judging reunions on any certifications obtained so the list of reformed boybands who have had a top 20 reunion record with either albums/singles are:

In brackets position in top 20 best selling boybands in UK history

Take That, (1)

Boyzone, (4)

Blue, (9)

Busted (13)

The ones who haven't had new studio album/single go top 20 or even chart highly/at all since reforming are:

Let Loose,

911,

East 17, (11)

A1

Boybands who reformed but stuck to just low selling tours and no new reunion records are:

Five, (10)

Bros, (16)

Damage,

Blazin' Squad

Edited March 20, 20187 yr by nirvanamusic

September 24, 20186 yr

With the Westlife 4 man version reunion imminent, let's refresh the state of play and UK sales between the two biggest boybands in British music history.

TT: 13.8 mil albums / 10.2 mil singles = 24 million

Westlife: 12 mil albums / 7.2 mil singles = 19.2 million

4.8 million in total more records sold by TT. Can they be caught?

Take That had to overcome far more records than that from 2005 and overtook WL UK sales in 2009 some four years of huge success later.

They have refused Brian offer to reform as a five and because of that their old label Syco and Simon Cowell has said he won't be apart of the reunion, having wanted the full 5 or nothing. They have signed with Universal instead.

Maybe they are hoping to do a Take That? Continue as a four then in time bring Brian onboard?

Thoughts?

Edited November 30, 20186 yr by nirvanamusic

September 24, 20186 yr

I'm up for Westlife back, really like them!

I wouldn't be surprised if 1D do a similar thing to Take That in a few years, but I don't think Harry will join them.

September 25, 20186 yr

Sales of both acts (albums/singles) per decade in the UK:

90's

Take That: 8,271,000

Westlife: 2,202,814

00's

Westlife: 14,796,335

Take That: 9,972,119

10's

Take That: 5,443,261

Westlife: 978,237

As shown it really can't be underestimated how much of a force Westlife truly were in the 00's in British sales. Blue (2002) and Busted (2003 & 2004) both had better sales for those calendar years, putting Westlife down to runner up spot. However neither group lasted nor completely took Westlife out completely.

In 2004 they were third biggest behind Busted and McFly and again in 2009 behind TT and JLS. This was their lowest ranks until going further down in their departure year.

Westlife were the only one out of the two compared groups to break 10 million sales for a decade, though Take That were very close in the 00's to doing this also.

Year on year sales it really is obvious to see that Take That return at first slightly then drastically tumbled Westlife huge sales to respectable numbers, however no longer blockbusting.

JLS mainly are to be mentioned as well in affecting Westlife sales.

When Westlife split up they were the fifth biggest selling boyband behind Take That, JLS, The Wanted and One Direction, who outsold them with their huge debut single alone.

Westlife were the fifth biggest on departure and I suppose the writing was on the wall back then.

The 2010's was their downfall with huge new rival younger boybands and an existing massive man band, and biggest of them all, ultimately placed them out of the market.

Number 1's (singles/abums) in UK per decade

90's

Take That: 11

Westlife: 4

00's

Westlife: 17

Take That: 5

10's

Take That: 3

Westlife: 0

Total Combined:

Westlife: 21

Take That: 19

Edited September 26, 20186 yr by nirvanamusic

September 25, 20186 yr

It’s nice that they’ve come back, albeit always inevitable given how none of them had a successful solo outing.

I fear they’ll more likely do a Boyzone than a Take That. They’ll probably get a top 5 album, but unsure if there’s anything there that’ll keep attention and convert new fans. Perhaps a 5 piece would have helped, considering they’ve been 4 for a large part of their career.

In fact, when you think about it, TT have only been a 5 piece for 9 years of their 30 in the business!

September 26, 20186 yr

I agree. Singles wise I'd be surprised if anything big happens on that front or many sales acquired. Album may sneak #1 but I don't think it'll be a huge seller.

September 26, 20186 yr

Do we know when the album is released? Will it go up against TT?

September 26, 20186 yr

That's a good point, I didn't think about that. I know this sounds tribal but I really hope Westlife don't do to TT what TT return did to them! If they do I'm sure it'll be interesting.

October 3, 20186 yr

I don't think Westlife have something to be jealous of from Take That.. Musically Take that might be better, vocally Westlife are superior comfortably.

October 3, 20186 yr

I completely agree and think you may be right ... if this was 1999 and comparing.

During Take That absent years I agreed and thought Westlife were collectively better singers, though not in songs or overall musicality.

However, since the reunion as a collective I'm inclined to say Take That overall are vocally better than Westlife. Gary and Robbie were always strong vocalists with character. Mark/Howard could sing to a certain style to fit their voices. Jason played guitar or danced.

Now Gary and Robbie are the same still, Mark has more versatility and Howard is stronger vocally and all are consistently strong. Jason is like Mark and Howard in the 90's he has a great tone and can sing a song best suited to his abilities i.e Wooden Boat though isn't as versatile vocally as the other four.

Westlife have two amazing singers for the style they sang, fact. Shane and Mark are arguably better in this slow style, though Gary and Robbie are able to suit different musical styles/genres. Brian was also a good singer. Kian is okay though not great and Nicky from the few album tracks lines I've heard can't really sing.

As it stands today, man for man. I feel Take That vocally have overtaken Westlife, this is just my opinion however.

Edited October 3, 20186 yr by nirvanamusic

October 3, 20186 yr

Mark from Westlife i would say is the best vocally from all put together.

All of Westlife are good singers as are all Take That, Jason is likely the weakest singer among them all.

As for overall talent, Westlife fall down greatly against Take That.

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