July 1, 20178 yr Wow, that was brilliant, 10/10, I shall miss Peter Capaldi, but I think I know who is the new Doctor now :D if it is, excellent choice. And a titbit of info, Isra is well know from the Carry on movies, Carry on Cruising is one of them, I didn't know she was still acting.
July 1, 20178 yr Author (spoilers from tonight's episode ahead) Wow!!! Totally different in terms of tone compared to the first part but still amazing. Bill's ending was beautifully portrayed, Heather's return was a lovely surprise and it was a perfect end to Bill's story, even if I'd have loved her to continue (and I guess she might, it's possible for her to become human again like Heather said isn't it?). Nardole never felt quite as important to the series as Moffat hyped him to be, but nevertheless I enjoyed his presence and I'd be very sad if that's the last we're seeing of him too. The Cybermen and Missy/Master storylines were both so huge on their own and my only criticism would be that they could've worked better in separate stories, but the newer Cybermen designs didn't feel out of place actually and I'm glad the focus seemed to be more on upgrading than simply destroying, which is the core of what the Cybermen are about after all. Simm and Gomez had incredible chemistry and I do wish they had a little bit more to do but I love how they've caused each other's regenerations :lol: And the ending...!!! I'd read about the First Doctor rumours with David Bradley but it was an amazing moment to see anyway, total goosebumps, so hyped for Christmas!! Was hoping for a glimpse of 13 perhaps but it wasn't to be :kink:
July 1, 20178 yr Author Full series rank: 1. World Enough and Time 2. The Doctor Falls 3. Extremis 4. Oxygen 5. Empress of Mars 6. Smile 7. The Pyramid at the End of the World 8. The Pilot 9. The Eaters of Light 10. The Lie of the Land 11. Knock Knock 12. Thin Ice No true stinkers this series which is pretty impressive, although the top 2 are quite comfortably ahead of the rest. Well done to Moffat and everyone else on making a cracking series to go out on, certainly the best since series 5.
July 1, 20178 yr Ugh, such a tease, was so hoping to see the newly regenerated Doctor :lol: Very intrigued for the Christmas special though, David Bradley looks to be a good choice. I will admit that could've been a mess, but it was a really good finale. The actual Cybermen were kinda...there. It was really all about the individual characters. The Master and Missy and their conflicted interests, Bill's whole story from how she ended up and how she saw herself (was a great ending for her, I'd completely forgotten about Heather!) and The Doctor realising he's defeated yet still trying to do good, all really well handled and complemented each other well. Not been a vintage series at all really, the three parter was messy and the standalone ones weren't really strong enough to warrant repeat viewings, but it certainly ended on a good note! Edited July 1, 20178 yr by Chez Wombat
July 2, 20178 yr Really enjoyed the finale, the character driven elements - particularly Missy vs The Master were the highlights. It was also a lovely ending for Bill too! A more believable cop-out of death compared with Clara. Very intrigued by that end scene :o Capaldi had a decent run as The Doctor and that was a really good note to end on for his main series run. A lovely cliffhanger for Christmas too!
July 2, 20178 yr the three parter was messy and the standalone ones weren't really strong enough to warrant repeat viewings, but it certainly ended on a good note! This sums up my opinion on the entire series 10, though I will be watching it again as in the past I liked some episodes more when I rewatched them
July 2, 20178 yr This series could have been amazing but it never really managed to make it. There were some really great ideas along the way (namely the emoticon bots, missy vs master, Bill in general, cyberbill, Pilot, the monks) but somehow they managed to make the whole add up to less than the sum of their parts. The finale was good and definitely the best two shows of the series, though I could have done without the Missy vs Master parts and would have found it far more effective if they had been given an entirely different two parter for their story - Bill being converted was enough on its own and the time moving at different rates could have been explored far more. The Missy vs Master thing was wonderful but lost emotional impact compared to everything else going on around them, a real shame for Missy in particular who is easily one of the best characters that the show has ever had - she deserved a better exit than that.
July 2, 20178 yr Very great finale, Great character moments. Master Vs Missy, Bill as Cyberman vs her human mind. A heartbreaking end for Missy as the doctor will never know she wanted to stand alongside him (although if she regenerates of course). Bill had a lovely ending and was a nice surprise seeing Heather again. The ending was a shocker and leads to the Christmas special well. My only criticism the Cybermen were not utilized in the second part as they were in the first like although we didn't see Bill as the Cybermen until the end we saw hints and really chilling scenes before. Then they just didn't have that scary edge in the second episode.
July 2, 20178 yr I do agree that it perhaps fell into the same trap as Dark Water/Death in Heaven, in that there's a fantastic build-up for the Cybermen, only for them to falter in the second part as Moffatt is concerned with other thingsn/not shre how to deal with them. I do think it was an improvement on that story though, last week's episode was certainly incredible. It was a good episode overall but it possibly fell into the traps of previous Moffatt stories and repeated similar themes, e.g. the Doctor's last adventure protecting a small town (The Time of the Doctor) and Bill exploring the iniverse after dying was similar to Clara's exit. The best bits of the story for me was the Bill/Cyberman trick of how you percieve her change. I liked that they kept switching it up so you never settled on her being Bill or her being a Cyberman. My other highlight was the Master/Missy dynamic. I don't think John Simm's Master was perhaps utilised as much as I'd hoped but I think Moffatt got that dynamic that they would have if they met themselves perfectly. They way they caused each other's death was brilliant and my favourite scene. Perhaps it was a lowkey way for Missy to go but I do just love the idea that they can't even be allies of themselves. It was good to see the Missy turns good storyline pay off, with her conflicted between her old self (with a physical representation here, meaning Simm had a purpose) and being good, and that turning good was also playing a part in her downfall. I don't expect the character of the Master/Missy to be back for at least a couple of series but hopefully they'll be back in time with a new incarnation. Michelle Gomez has been incredible in the role and I will truly miss her. I'll really miss Bill too, as I said last week so I won't go over that again. I would have liked to see her stay for another series, I don't think we saw enough of her after the first set of episodes. It was perhaps a nice tie in with Heather returning but, still a bit of a cop out and annoying to see her have the same sort of exit as Clara with her seeing the universe with her own companion. Nardole was quite pointless in the end too then, no as purposeful as Moffatt has stated! Gave some fun moments but not particularly memorable overall. Bit brutal to still live him on the ship too, was similar to Captain Jack and siggests they don't know what to do with the extra companion! Interesting to see how the Doctor goes out! Had seen the rumours of David Bradley starring as the first Doctor but it was still a surprise to see him at the end. Really excited to see how another multi-Doctor story plays out seen a suggestion that it could revolve around the First Doctor's regeneration!. David was fantastic as William Hartnell in An Adventure in Space and Time so he should be great as the 'real' thing!
July 2, 20178 yr Overall, the series has been good but, I do agree that it hasn't fully hit the right highs overall! There's been some great ideas as Dandy said, but they haven't really fully paid off. There's only 'World Enough and Time' where I was like WOW that was amazing! Still has been a really good and consistent series overall and a strong one for Moffat to go out with. It was nice for Capaldi to get his own companion and it gave him a new breath of life. I do think it is the right time for him to leave though. Look out for a Series 10 rate that I'll open soon!
July 2, 20178 yr Wasn't wowed by the final. :( as with a lot of this series, it was leading up to something that never really happened, at least not in a big way. There was too much introduced. O agree with dandy about the Missy/Master thing being better as a stand alone saga, the CyberBill parts were so well done (the way it dotted between Bill and eher Cyberself was brilliant) although the end did feel very much like the writers ran out of episode so gave a weak conclusion.
July 3, 20178 yr Loved the finale to a good series, I wasn't disappointed (as usual), and all of the references to previous Who was a lovely touch (see the BBC link for the full list) right down to the naming of Bill & Heather. Very looking forward to the xmas episode, as I was there for the very first episode (age 5) and I loved the grumpy ol' first Doctor. Two grumps together should be very entertaining :lol:
July 8, 20178 yr Author No it wasn't Joseph, don't lie to me like this. I wish I was lying! :cry: Even Billie is feeling it: Doctor Who Official @bbcdoctorwho 8h8 hours ago 11 years ago today, the Doctor burnt up a sun just to say goodbye to Rose in Doomsday 😭 Billie Piper @billiepiper 8h8 hours ago Replying to @bbcdoctorwho Oh the feels 😩 xx
July 8, 20178 yr Amaaziing. Obviously the first part was better, but still. Killing off the Master for good was a bit shet. Would the Master REAAALLY commit suicide? Force a change, yes, but suicide?? Excellent ending for Bill.
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