WRONG

 

It is an UNDEMOCRATIC AND RUDE epithet.

 

Did you ahut up when we entered or did you and the Sun go ooon and ooon for 50 years? :) 2% is NOT enough to tell us to shut up, especially wen the people who voted for it are OLD and DINOSAURS and/ or xenophobic or SERIOUSLY misinformed x

 

I hope you are just trying to make a point about epithets here, since you've done exactly what you accuse Leavers of otherwise.

 

Nah, its remit might have been as a trading bloc in the 70's but its scope was never just to facilitate trade.

 

If so, that fact was carefully concealed at the time of the 1975 referendum.

 

IMO it's like believing you are just signing up for a mobile phone contract, only to be told later you've agreed to pay a mortgage, and when you complain, you are told 'it was all there in the small print'.

I hope you are just trying to make a point about epithets here, since you've done exactly what you accuse Leavers of otherwise.

 

Mine is not undemocratic as I don't tell them to shut up, even though they are SERIOUSLY misinformed x

Nah, its remit might have been as a trading bloc in the 70's but its scope was never just to facilitate trade. Schuman founded the European Coal and Steel Community in the 1950's with the now-famous aim to make war "not only unthinkable but materially impossible". That is to say, by facilitating the trading of strategic resources amongst countries formerly at war with each other, war could never be beneficial and it could never have winners. Trade was never the end game, it was simply an aid for sustained peace.

 

Given that most of Europe has experienced its longest period of peace in recorded history (and yes I'm putting that down to the EU as much as I am to NATO), it's fulfilled this aim very well.

 

And now the UK talk of "us" and "them. Sad.

 

And war over Gibraltar by VILE aristocratic Tories :/

 

If so, that fact was carefully concealed at the time of the 1975 referendum.

Carefully concealed, or did you just never bother doing any research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal...Steel_Community

Carefully concealed, or did you just never bother doing any research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal...Steel_Community

 

If only the internet was so easily available in 1975 instead of people relying on the state media in those days.

But you sill rely on the sun and the dailymail to tell you your opinions though? :lol:

If only the internet was so easily available in 1975 instead of people relying on the state media in those days.

 

in those days politicians had mature in-depth measured television discussions about all the issues and talked openly and answered questions. This gave people the ability to properly weigh up arguments with reasonable access to data. there also wasn't the sheer number of rags printing outrageous untruths until the Dirty Digger/Fox-propagandist debased newspapers in his megalomaniac lust for power and money, starting in 1975.

 

maybe you're not old enough to recall the 70's and just rely on The Mail to tell you what a paradise it was back in those days. (PS it wasn't)

But you sill rely on the sun and the dailymail to tell you your opinions though? :lol:

 

You're wrong. I hardly watch or read from the mainstream media anymore, too much fake news from the left and the right wing media.

 

Anyway my point still stands, if people was as easily informed in 1975 about the EU like we are today then the UK would never have stayed in the EU back then.

Edited September 15, 20177 yr by PeaceMob

You're wrong. I hardly watch or read from the mainstream media anymore, too much fake news from the left and the right wing media.

 

Anyway my point still stands, if people was as easily informed in 1975 about the EU like we are today then the UK would never have stayed in the EU back then.

 

Well, that hardly leaves you open as an expert on anything if you are getting your info from biased tweets or shared propaganda websites. There are plenty of reputable news sources, to deny otherwise is to prove you have problems with "facts".

 

People were informed back in 1975, it was a very long debate, on TV, in newspapers, with a wide variety of views - and it was largely the lefties who were against and the righties who were in favour. You're recalling it from a child's point of view, more interested in watching Blue Peter and Hong Kong Phoeey I'd guess....

Well, that hardly leaves you open as an expert on anything if you are getting your info from biased tweets or shared propaganda websites. There are plenty of reputable news sources, to deny otherwise is to prove you have problems with "facts".

 

People were informed back in 1975, it was a very long debate, on TV, in newspapers, with a wide variety of views - and it was largely the lefties who were against and the righties who were in favour. You're recalling it from a child's point of view, more interested in watching Blue Peter and Hong Kong Phoeey I'd guess....

 

Don't assume where I get my news from and lecture me that I have a problem with facts, that's really patronising.

BBC Parliament showed some of the coverage of the 1975 referendum campaign a couple years ago for the 40th anniversary. It was a huge contrast to the soundbite culture of today.

But you sill rely on the sun and the dailymail to tell you your opinions though? :lol:

 

I can't speak for 'Peacemob', but I was well in my 40's before I read the Mail Online for the first time, so it certainly didn't *form* my opinions about the EU. I've been a Eurosceptic since at least the mid-1980's, when the Single Eyrupean Act came into effect.

A thought occurs... although we are due to leave the EU on 29/3/2019, if there's any sort of negotiation extension, does that mean we'll get to vote in the next Euro-elections of 6/6/2019?

If only the internet was so easily available in 1975 instead of people relying on the state media in those days.

They hadn't cut libraries back then.

A thought occurs... although we are due to leave the EU on 29/3/2019, if there's any sort of negotiation extension, does that mean we'll get to vote in the next Euro-elections of 6/6/2019?

Nah. We're leaving the EU on 29/3/2019, but we'll (provided David Davis stops playing silly buggers) go onto a transitional deal then that for all intents and purposes count as a negotiation extension, as making a proper deal to leave is so complex it's literally going to be impossible in the 9 months or so we have left to come up with a deal and have it pass all the parliaments in time for us to leave on 29/3/2019.

Best outcome here, that isn't remain but is as close as we can get until enough of them die off in the next couple of years to landslide a rerun, is a transitional arrangement that ends up with full single market membership, remaining in the customs union and open-skies and keeping the 4 pillars in tact.

 

Don't assume where I get my news from and lecture me that I have a problem with facts, that's really patronising.

You do have a problem with facts though.... literally every single post you make makes that abundantly clear.

Don't assume where I get my news from and lecture me that I have a problem with facts, that's really patronising.

 

you're the one making blanket sweeping statements about fact-based reputable sources and not offering up any alternative reputable sources. If you don't read newspapers or watch TV news, that only leaves the internet where everyone gets targeted by agenda-driven "facts" based on what they have been already been looking at. You are virtually quoting the proven and inarguable biggest liar of them all, Donald Trump, when it comes to the media. He adores Fox and Breitbart, who are both right-wing racist billionaire playthings out to destroy democracy, and idolises Hitler, so yes he would slag off intelligent discussion as much as Nazi-friendly Farage, who started this whole thread and discussion - see all media reports of his recent trip to the much-loathed Germany.

 

Just say where you get your facts and we can all share it together?

Mine is not undemocratic as I don't tell them to shut up, even though they are SERIOUSLY misinformed x

 

Pardon me, but the terms 'dinosaurs' and 'xenophobic' seem pretty derogatory...

you're the one making blanket sweeping statements about fact-based reputable sources and not offering up any alternative reputable sources. If you don't read newspapers or watch TV news, that only leaves the internet where everyone gets targeted by agenda-driven "facts" based on what they have been already been looking at. You are virtually quoting the proven and inarguable biggest liar of them all, Donald Trump, when it comes to the media. He adores Fox and Breitbart, who are both right-wing racist billionaire playthings out to destroy democracy, and idolises Hitler, so yes he would slag off intelligent discussion as much as Nazi-friendly Farage, who started this whole thread and discussion - see all media reports of his recent trip to the much-loathed Germany.

 

How can you not see your own hyprocrisy in using the same hyperbole you accuse your opponents of? :unsure: