June 24, 20169 yr Its all fine and wonderful if you're part of the inner circle, from France's perspective, the EU must seem lovely. But try living in Portugal and then we'll talk. Different realities, different measures for each country, and there's definitely a form of finantial terror used by the EU. That's not terrorism though is it?
June 24, 20169 yr Your choice of words could not be worse right now considering an MP was murdered in a terror attack by a Brexit supporter. If you think the EU is a terrorist organisation you need a new English-Portugese dictionary
June 24, 20169 yr Well that's how we use the word here. Constantly threatening a country over a b & c to me is a form of terrorism. When a EU leader says the same threats aren't applied to France, because "France is France", then why the hell should we wanna be a part of something that doesn't treat all of its countries as equals? Spare me the hypocrisy. Anyway, this isnt about Portugal, just sending my congrats to whoever voted to leave. Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Euphorique
June 24, 20169 yr Well that's how we use the word here. Constantly threatening a country over a b & c to me is a form of terrorism. Terrorism as the online dictionary puts it the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
June 24, 20169 yr Terrorism as the online dictionary puts it the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Works for me then. They're certainly using intimidation. But I'm glad that what's the bigger issue for you guys is the use of a word rather than the message. Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Euphorique
June 24, 20169 yr Still reeling from this result, even though it seemed like a done deal after Sunderland's result was announced (also so sick of polls getting it wrong all the time! I had vain hope that YouGov were on the money for about two hours last night!) I'm well and truly gutted, and worried about the future (and the present!) :( I've always felt very patriotic but have completely lost that feeling now and am quite ashamed to be British right now. I wonder how long the United Kingdom will last now? I can at least be proud that the area I voted (Bromley) was just about in, and my hometown Brighton was overwhelmingly in. But it doesn't really make up for the horrendous outcome to a horrific referendum.
June 24, 20169 yr Imagine if Donald Trump becomes President Of USA at the end of the year as well! That would wrap up what has been a bad year for the world in general. I think it's incredibly likely that Trump will be President now. :( Brexit definitely works in his favour too.
June 24, 20169 yr Its all fine and wonderful if you're part of the inner circle, from France's perspective, the EU must seem lovely. But try living in Portugal and then we'll talk. Different realities, different measures for each country, and there's definitely a form of finantial terror used by the EU. I'd appreciate having some actual examples of the EU threatening, directly or indirectly, Portugal. If nothing else it would be interesting. The biggest experience I have with the EU's treatment of its smaller states is it doing a huge amount of service to Ireland during its crisis and being very reasonable in what it expected Ireland to do (in order to help its own economy!) in response. The UK certainly has nothing to complain about with how the EU treats it - I can't recall a single time it's been shafted. I understand how you're using 'terrorism' (intimidation to achieve political aims), but it's still a word with some extreme connotations, so I feel an expanded description of the EU's apparent terrorism is warranted. Particularly given that Germany don't seem to be benefiting too much from it to my eyes - they're the ones bailing countries like Greece and Ireland out, and they're taking in more Syrian refugees than most from memory.
June 24, 20169 yr Works for me then. They're certainly using intimidation. But I'm glad that what's the bigger issue for you guys is the use of a word rather than the message. Yes, it's an "AND" not an "OR", it's usually at least threats of violence or vandalism.
June 24, 20169 yr violence and intimidation Well its impossible to "beat up a country physically", but again, violence is a lot more than that. I do think we have gotten beaten up a lot by austerity measures and ridiculous EU policies, so why not use "violence". violence (ˈvaɪələns) 4. an unjust, unwarranted, or unlawful display of force, esp such as tends to overawe or intimidate Again works for me. But why bother with the discussion when clearly the point you're focused on is terminology. And I'm out. Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Euphorique
June 24, 20169 yr like Silas said earlier the terminology does matter to us, particularly with the death of Jo Cox.
June 24, 20169 yr like Silas said earlier the terminology does matter to us, particularly with the death of Jo Cox. Well I stick by the terminology I used, after checking out the english dictionary. terrorize [ter-uh-rahyz] 2. to dominate or coerce by intimidation.
June 24, 20169 yr also you're dragging an organisation that a lot of us here right now are completely distraught to be leaving, of course we're going to retaliate
June 24, 20169 yr Well its impossible to "beat up a country physically", but again, violence is a lot more than that. I do think we have gotten beaten up a lot by austerity measures and ridiculous EU policies, so why not use "violence". Austerity sucks but it's not some sort of punishment devised by the EU, it's just the economic policy that was viewed as optimal for recovery in your country. I lived through austerity in Ireland and yes, it sucked (because living in a crashing economy sucks), but that doesn't mean all it did was harm, or that it was intended to. At worst the austerity measures are economic policies that you disagreed with. They were designed solely to ensure Portugal's economy stabilised because the EU cares more about the stability of the Eurozone right now than anything else. There's no sadism here, and given the enforced austerity came in exchange for billions of euros I really don't think you should be complaining. I dread to imagine where either Portugal or Ireland would be now if it weren't for the ECB/IMF bailouts.
June 24, 20169 yr This thread really shows how divided the country is and how hard it is for both sides to talk together without being agressive in the end. No matter how strong points can be on both sides, no one is willing to listen to the other side. I don't see how this referendum can turn into something positive, there is something broken that can't be fixed. :cry:
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