Did anyone comment on this at the time?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38254946

 

Did Clinton win more votes than any white man in history?

Did anyone comment on this at the time?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38254946

 

Did Clinton win more votes than any white man in history?

It was discussed generally at the time. It's of course technically true, although her share of the vote was lower than quite a few white male candidates since the voting franchise expanded to (in theory) ensure the same voting rights for different sexes and ethnicities.

 

The fact that it was higher than Trump's should, in any functioning 21st century democracy, have ensured that she'd become president.

It was discussed generally at the time. It's of course technically true, although her share of the vote was lower than quite a few white male candidates since the voting franchise expanded to (in theory) ensure the same voting rights for different sexes and ethnicities.

 

The fact that it was higher than Trump's should, in any functioning 21st century democracy, have ensured that she'd become president.

There is still a reasonable case to be made for the electoral college. However, the margin by which Clinton won the popular vote does make it look ridiculous.

It was discussed generally at the time. It's of course technically true, although her share of the vote was lower than quite a few white male candidates since the voting franchise expanded to (in theory) ensure the same voting rights for different sexes and ethnicities.

 

The fact that it was higher than Trump's should, in any functioning 21st century democracy, have ensured that she'd become president.

 

Not in the UK. Tories often get more seats and barely more votes.

 

The US population is becoming more coastal. Their electoral system is designed to stop regional candidates. The two things don't go well together.

I wonder what would have happened if Biden HAD run last time :o

 

Trump would not have run for President, let alone gain the role, if Joe Biden had run. I believe that whilst Trump would have felt confident against both Sanders and Clinton, had the possibility of a Biden run been on the cards, he wouldn't have risked it. In my scenario, I still believe that Clinton would have been the Democratic nomination (there was no way the Democratic Party would have let anyone else run in 2016, even Uncle Joe), but would have lost to another candidate, most likely Jeb Bush.

 

Of course, that's the fun of playing "what if" games. You can predict whatever the heck you like, and no-one can tell you you're incorrect, because there's no frame of reference.

I agree - Biden wouldn't have won the nomination, going after Clinton's own supporters, so either lost to her or Bernie.

 

However, a Jeb vs Hillary match-up..., or Santorum, as the second most popular for a long while, would have been interesting. I think she would have won, just.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Y5Ljf7E0c

If Biden had run last time things would have got nasty and it probably would've ended up as a brokered convention. That wouldn't even have been water on a chip pan fire - it would've been petroleum. A bang average white man who hadn't managed more than 1% in a single primary before decides to stop what at the time looked like the first female presidency on the sole basis of being more charming? Almost by definition he couldn't have differentiated from Hillary on policy so he would've had to go entirely personal to stop the first female major party candidacy. It would've torn the Democratic coalition to shreds.

Not in the UK. Tories often get more seats and barely more votes.

 

The US population is becoming more coastal. Their electoral system is designed to stop regional candidates. The two things don't go well together.

 

Surely the system was designed to stop the more populous states from swamping the smaller ones by sheer weight of numbers - or so I was always told?

Surely the system was designed to stop the more populous states from swamping the smaller ones by sheer weight of numbers - or so I was always told?

That's the theory behind the electoral college, yes. ti also forces candidates to campaign in the smaller states although that becomes less true as more states become safe for one party. What a pity the government didn't think about whether English votes should be allowed to swamp those in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

That's the theory behind the electoral college, yes. ti also forces candidates to campaign in the smaller states although that becomes less true as more states become safe for one party. What a pity the government didn't think about whether English votes should be allowed to swamp those in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

 

Surely they already did - that's why they have their own parliaments/assemblies.

Surely they already did - that's why they have their own parliaments/assemblies.

So do states.

States also have a disproportionate representation in the Senate, as every state has two senators. Imagine the fuss if our upper house had 50 English representatives, 50 Scots, 50 Welsh and 50 NI.

States also have a disproportionate representation in the Senate, as every state has two senators. Imagine the fuss if our upper house had 50 English representatives, 50 Scots, 50 Welsh and 50 NI.

 

Surely 2 per county (whatever the size) would be a better analogy? :unsure:

Surely 2 per county (whatever the size) would be a better analogy? :unsure:

American States also have Counties....

Surely 2 per county (whatever the size) would be a better analogy? :unsure:

Arguably, yes. It would still be absurd.

American States also have Counties....

 

Maybe some state legislatures do work on that basis?

Surely 2 per county (whatever the size) would be a better analogy? :unsure:

No, because the anomaly would be nowhere near as great.

BERNIE JUST CALLED A MEETING WITH ADVISORS FOR 2020

 

BERNIE CALLED A MEETING WITH HIS ADVISORS FOR 2020

 

IT IS HAPPENING

 

#feelthebern

 

#momentum

 

#hindsightis2020

Oprah Winfrey has said she won't be standing in 2020.

BERNIE JUST CALLED A MEETING WITH ADVISORS FOR 2020

 

BERNIE CALLED A MEETING WITH HIS ADVISORS FOR 2020

 

IT IS HAPPENING

 

#feelthebern

 

#momentum

 

#hindsightis2020

Well I for one am shocked.