Just ignore it, anyone who ignores hard fact and reality that much is just trolling for a reaction.

We'll survive whatever happens. We're not called GREAT Britain for nothing. :cheer:

Indeed not. We are Great Britain to distinguish us from Brittany. The great refers to the fact that our island is larger than Brittany. Any other interpretation of the word is just tabloid-style b*ll*cks.

you can f*** right off with most of this. Yes, our contribution will be gone but you can't just take that as one fact alone in order to prove your point when the bigger picture is a BALANCE. We contribute to the EU and in return we get subsidies, we get travel, trade, healthcare, OPPORTUNITY and most importantly of all peace. There's a reason there hasn't been any major European conflict since the creation of the EU. We're safer, and stronger together the only reason why this is getting so f***ed up is the rise of right wing patriotism happening domestically which is shit stirring EU backlash. Where has the EU acted so disrespectfully to us? They didn't want us to leave? There is even discussion of offering our citizens EU citizenship....

 

It wasn't Britain who rebuilt Europe post war, it was the collective nations which eventually formed the EU.

 

So you want the UK to pay £60 billion into the EU because that is the Brexit fee demand coming from the EU atm, but in the same breath pro-EU people complain about the £350 million a week not being paid into the NHS as promised in the referendum campaign. You can't have it both ways.

The EU only care about the money, they know roughly £10 BIILION a year from the UK to the EU will be gone when we officially leave the EU in 2019, those days of the EU bureaucrats and most Eastern European countries sponging off from the UK are OVER. Thankfully Theresa May is not prepared to get down on her knees to President Juncker and do whatever he wants, if the EU don't want trade with the UK, that's fine by us we'll look elsewhere to a market of over 7 billion people outside of the EU. The EU has behaved extremely disrespectful to the UK after everything we have done for Europe, we're one of the few nations that have helped rebuild and bring most of Europe back on its feet again after the two world wars and the Cold war.

There are more bureaucrats working for Birmingham City Council than the EU. This idea of a vast army of bureaucrats in the EU is just another tabloid myth.

 

I assume your attitude towards trade means that you never buy anything that has come from within the EU or that you are prepared to pay a lot more for it after we leave the EU.

So you want the UK to pay £60 billion into the EU because that is the Brexit fee demand coming from the EU atm, but in the same breath pro-EU people complain about the £350 million a week not being paid into the NHS as promised in the referendum campaign. You can't have it both ways.

 

 

do you read your own posts? also that NHS promise was from Brexiters.......

So you want the UK to pay £60 billion into the EU because that is the Brexit fee demand coming from the EU atm, but in the same breath pro-EU people complain about the £350 million a week not being paid into the NHS as promised in the referendum campaign. You can't have it both ways.

The "complaints" about the £350m are simply a way of exposing the blatant lie told by the Leave campaigners.

The BNP are not mainstream and they will NEVER get into power, the SNP on the other hand.....

Have been in Government for a decade and presided over falling hate crime statistics, the only part of the UK currently showing that trend. They also have the best LGBTQI+ record in Europe (as judged by international orgs.) and it took all of 30 seconds for the SNP led Scottish Government to reach out to EU Nationals post-brexit and offer reassurances - something the Scottish electorate also did.

 

Scotland has taken more refugees per capita than any other UK Nation. Glasgow City Council has one of the highest resettlement rates in the whole of the UK. A Greater Glasgow and Clyde regional council put a post on Facebook that they were expecting their first Syrian refugees and were utterly overwhelmed with the offers of help.

 

The SNP has introduced a special training programme for Refugees that were medical professionals in their nation of origin that will allow them to become qualified in Scotland and work for the NHS.

 

 

 

If you want to talk records I've got all day because the SNP's is bulletproof on this. Don't even try with your insinuations and complete and utter lack of knowledge and understanding at anything that happens outside of your echo chamber and the 4 walls of your bedroom.

actually let's talk about healthcare! let's talk about the amount of EU nationals who help prop up our NHS and how the EU gives us health insurance in any EU country we visit. A privilege we're about to lose.

Yes! Healthcare! Shall we talk about how the Red Cross declared England's NHS to be a 'humanitarian crisis'? Shall we take bets on how long it takes before the EU is blamed despite their nationals being utterly vital for staffing our hospitals?

There are more bureaucrats working for Birmingham City Council than the EU. This idea of a vast army of bureaucrats in the EU is just another tabloid myth.

 

I assume your attitude towards trade means that you never buy anything that has come from within the EU or that you are prepared to pay a lot more for it after we leave the EU.

 

If countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United States can cope without being in the EU single market then I'm 100% sure the UK can do too.

think those countries may slightly struggle being in the EUROPEAN union, no?

If countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United States can cope without being in the EU single market then I'm 100% sure the UK can do too.

You mean the Canada that has spent many years negotiating a trade deal with the EU - a deal that doesn't include financial services, one of the UK's major exports?

think those countries may slightly struggle being in the EUROPEAN union, no?

 

Yes, hypothetically they would big time. You have no idea how much the EU constraints the UK, the proof will be there for everyone to see when we actually leave in 2019. That's one reason the EU want to make Brexit extremely damaging and difficult for the UK. Look at Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, three countries outside of the EU and yet those three have ZERO plans of joining the EU because they know their countries would be severely limited by the overbearing EU.

Rather awkwardly for you, Canada is known to be very pro-EU but fails on the European test. However the EU have never actually firmly slammed the door in Canada's face and there is a massive free-trade deal in progress between the EU and Canada.

 

 

New Zealand survives solely on sheep and Australia's entire economy relies on mineral exports to China. It's why a big reason why Australia never experienced a recession during the credit crunch was because Chinese demand was strong. It's also why they are shitting themselves right now about a slow down in the Chinese economy.

 

 

The United States is a really odd country and the EU as an entity is more compatible to the US than the US is to an individual memberstate. It's political leanings have more to do with its EU relations than anything else.

 

 

Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States are all attempting trade deals with the EU and have all said on record that the UK would be below the EU in priority. Canada's is almost signed and will open up vast amounts of the Single Market to Canada and vice versa. Canada has jumped through 9 years of EU hoops for restricted access to the single market.

 

 

 

 

You're undermining your own arguments here.

You mean the Canada that has spent many years negotiating a trade deal with the EU - a deal that doesn't include financial services, one of the UK's major exports?

 

Yes, a free trade deal only, they're not joining the single market and having to accept the "four freedoms" of the EU. In fact I would love for the UK to have a similar deal with the EU that Canada has.

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Yes, hypothetically they would big time. You have no idea how much the EU constraints the UK, the proof will be there for everyone to see when we actually leave in 2019. That's one reason the EU want to make Brexit extremely damaging and difficult for the UK. Look at Norway, Iceland, and Switzerland, three countries outside of the EU and yet those three have ZERO plans of joining the EU because they know their countries would be severely limited by the overbearing EU.

Norway and Iceland are EEA states and enjoy full single market access, are in the Schengen area and the customs union and pay very heavily for all these rights. Norway very loudly told the UK not to follow their model because they abide by the rules without setting them.

 

Iceland also has an application to join the EU in progress but are slightly concerned about fishing. They also have 300,000 people living there and are overly dependent on Fish and Financial Services which is why their economy collapsed overnight in 2008.

 

Switzerland has an extensive list of bilateral agreements with the EU that affords them near EEA levels of access to the single markets.

 

 

 

 

Norway and Iceland would like to join but can't persuade the fishermen to say yes. All three fully enact vast swathes of 'overbearing' EU law without any say in it's formation.

Norway and Iceland are EEA states and enjoy full single market access, are in the Schengen area and the customs union and pay very heavily for all these rights. Norway very loudly told the UK not to follow their model because they abide by the rules without setting them.

 

Iceland also has an application to join the EU in progress but are slightly concerned about fishing. They also have 300,000 people living there and are overly dependent on Fish and Financial Services which is why their economy collapsed overnight in 2008.

 

Switzerland has an extensive list of bilateral agreements with the EU that affords them near EEA levels of access to the single markets.

Norway and Iceland would like to join but can't persuade the fishermen to say yes. All three fully enact vast swathes of 'overbearing' EU law without any say in it's formation.

 

This is all true but what about the people living in Norway, Iceland and Switzerland. The polling numbers for all of those countries to join the EU all come up with less than 10% of their population want to join the EU. They know they have it good to have free trade access to the EU without actually having to be a part of it, one downside is they have no say on the EU rules. That is why i think the UK should follow the Canada model and go for free trade deal only.

It's more than 10% in both of the EEA states. ~40% in Norway.

 

Canada's model excludes services. Services make up more than 70% of our economy. When that 70% loses it's primary (and in some cases only) export market what good will a free trade agreement do that specifically excludes it?

Yes, a free trade deal only, they're not joining the single market and having to accept the "four freedoms" of the EU. In fact I would love for the UK to have a similar deal with the EU that Canada has.

You mean a deal that doesn't include financial services?

The EU only care about the money, they know roughly £10 BIILION a year from the UK to the EU will be gone when we officially leave the EU in 2019, those days of the EU bureaucrats and most Eastern European countries sponging off from the UK are OVER. Thankfully Theresa May is not prepared to get down on her knees to President Juncker and do whatever he wants, if the EU don't want trade with the UK, that's fine by us we'll look elsewhere to a market of over 7 billion people outside of the EU. The EU has behaved extremely disrespectful to the UK after everything we have done for Europe, we're one of the few nations that have helped rebuild and bring most of Europe back on its feet again after the two world wars and the Cold war.

 

Already tried. The other countries laughed at our attempts to sell jam and biscuits and sent us packing.

 

Well, Donald Trump's team laughed about hoe they could gt what they wanted out the UK whilst docuisng on 'more important' markets like Germany and the EU.