Steps and Olly Murs needs to get together to highlight the ridiculousness of the charts on acts that don't attract Spotify plays because it needs changing in some way to allow all acts to benefit.

It's sad that if you aren't fortunate enough to get onto a big Spotify playlist, you're unlikely to dent the charts - even with extensive TV promo and a high spot on iTunes. Spotify has too much power.

 

Yeah, it is kind of annoying how it all comes down to playlists, rather than what people like.

 

But surely fans of Steps could just stream the album or the songs they like? Don't most people do that or do they just listen to playlists that have already been made?

Yeah, it is kind of annoying how it all comes down to playlists, rather than what people like.

 

But surely fans of Steps could just stream the album or the songs they like? Don't most people do that or do they just listen to playlists that have already been made?

Most of us who are around 40 are the last cd generation and the last generation to not grow up with gadgets such as laptops and i-phones so we are more reluctant to look towards spotify I only looked myself for the first time last year but am not an active user I look up songs on Youtube which doesn't help any artist.

Most of us who are around 40 are the last cd generation and the last generation to not grow up with gadgets such as laptops and i-phones so we are more reluctant to look towards spotify I only looked myself for the first time last year but am not an active user I look up songs on Youtube which doesn't help any artist.

 

Ah ok fair enough but aren't most Steps fans in their twenties who grew up listening to the music so surely that is the dmeographic using Spotify and things?

 

I guess I don't really know who the dmeographic of Steps but I assumed it was people in their twenties. I am seeing them with my sister who is 21 and I am 24. Maybe people who are late twenties and thirties grew up with them too.

Big climb for Steps considering they didn't perform the song on Loose Women

 

9 Little Mix 0.3571 0.3479 0.3497 0.3418 0.3472 0.3446

10 Steps 0.3470 0.3182 0.3005 0.2833 0.2885 0.2899

I do find it odd, that songs get such obvious boosts on iTunes from TV performances etc, but it doesn't reflect on Spotify, it's odd for a song to be top 10 on iTunes all week but not be top 200 on Spotify.

I do find it odd, that songs get such obvious boosts on iTunes from TV performances etc, but it doesn't reflect on Spotify, it's odd for a song to be top 10 on iTunes all week but not be top 200 on Spotify.

 

Oh heck yeah, I really don't get it. If I find a song I like then one of the first things I do is add it to one of my Spotify playlists.

I do find it odd, that songs get such obvious boosts on iTunes from TV performances etc, but it doesn't reflect on Spotify, it's odd for a song to be top 10 on iTunes all week but not be top 200 on Spotify.

As explained they are not on any playlists and most plays on spotify are people using playlists and being forced to listen to songs they don't like as you cannot fast forward a playlist if you don't subscribe to Spotify.

 

Which is why Brenda Lee, Andy Williams etc get into Spotify at Christmas but would never any other time of the year.

As explained they are not on any playlists and most plays on spotify are people using playlists and being forced to listen to songs they don't like as you cannot fast forward a playlist if you don't subscribe to Spotify.

 

Which is why Brenda Lee, Andy Williams etc get into Spotify at Christmas but would never any other time of the year.

 

Yeah but it is weird how TV promo increases the iTunes position but doesn't get paid subscribers to stream it more. For me personally when I find a song I like I add it to my personal playlists.

 

I have been Premium for years so I didn't realise free users were so limited.

Yeah but it is weird how TV promo increases the iTunes position but doesn't get paid subscribers to stream it more. For me personally when I find a song I like I add it to my personal playlists.

 

I have been Premium for years so I didn't realise free users were so limited.

 

I think most of us around 40 are not spotify users we are still the CD generation and most Steps fans are traditional CD users and if we did use spotify it wouldn't be a subscription.

 

I think if most people around 40 used spotify they might find it quite an experience finding all the old songs they loved at the touch of a button but it's getting them onto it.

 

As I said earlier I use youtube rather than Spotify and that doesn't help Steps if others are like me.

 

What confuses me is why people will buy a song at 59p but not 99p are music buyers really that tight?

Edited April 26, 20178 yr by steveh31

As explained they are not on any playlists and most plays on spotify are people using playlists and being forced to listen to songs they don't like as you cannot fast forward a playlist if you don't subscribe to Spotify.

 

Which is why Brenda Lee, Andy Williams etc get into Spotify at Christmas but would never any other time of the year.

 

 

I know full well about this playlists and their impact, but I find it odd that there's 0 correlation with songs sometimes. Like Robbie's single which held up really well on iTunes for over a month but did nothing on Spotify. The way people rush to listen to a song on iTunes when they see it on TV, I'm surprised there's not a few more people who add a song to a Spotify playlist, like I would.

Has the chart always been biased against acts with older fanbases or is this a recent thing? i.e. since the digital era

Has the chart always been biased against acts with older fanbases or is this a recent thing? i.e. since the digital era

The charts have always been bias to be fair when I actively listened every week from 1989 to 2006 it was always a young person's thing but I am surprised that Spotify doesn't attract mid age people as most songs are on it from 80 and 90s.

 

Since Spotify though it seems that this has been purely aimed at teens and because they are the main contributor to the chart it has left the pre digit generation behind.

Yeah, it is kind of annoying how it all comes down to playlists, rather than what people like.

 

But surely fans of Steps could just stream the album or the songs they like? Don't most people do that or do they just listen to playlists that have already been made?

 

Spotify should join up with a new prime time music TV show, have a diverse range of acts on each week and the performed songs get a playlist of their own. I doubt that would happen though.

I know full well about this playlists and their impact, but I find it odd that there's 0 correlation with songs sometimes. Like Robbie's single which held up really well on iTunes for over a month but did nothing on Spotify. The way people rush to listen to a song on iTunes when they see it on TV, I'm surprised there's not a few more people who add a song to a Spotify playlist, like I would.

I feel exactly the same. I just don't really understand why songs that perform so strongly on iTunes, and bounce back with only the slightest of promotion, still get absolutely no support on streaming. It's bizarre to me. The whole appeal of streaming for me is instantly adding new songs to my playlists, but I could then be on there for ages going from one artist to another, finding old songs I'd forgotten about or discovering new ones.

 

Obviously it doesn't help when Spotify doesn't feature artists like Steps on their main playlists, which is where the bulk of streams come from, but I still struggle to see why they're really not picking up any casual streamers from all this promo.

Yeah but it is weird how TV promo increases the iTunes position but doesn't get paid subscribers to stream it more. For me personally when I find a song I like I add it to my personal playlists.

 

I have been Premium for years so I didn't realise free users were so limited.

Yes I think it's weird how TV promo doesn't translate into Spotify streams. Will this make TV performances on BGT/X Factor less appealing for artists in the future as they don't really help.

Yes I think it's weird how TV promo doesn't translate into Spotify streams. Will this make TV performances on BGT/X Factor less appealing for artists in the future as they don't really help.

 

Don't think it will as TV performances, epsecially during Q4, are a great way to shift albums as well as boost the song they perform.

Edited April 26, 20178 yr by Envoirment

I do find it odd, that songs get such obvious boosts on iTunes from TV performances etc, but it doesn't reflect on Spotify, it's odd for a song to be top 10 on iTunes all week but not be top 200 on Spotify.

 

It kind of makes sense to me - I can imagine hearing a song and going straight online to download it, but not so much listening to it straight away. And whilst I'm sure people do add songs to their playlists or libraries, that's going to take longer to show up in the feed.

TV promo DOES have an impact on Spotify!

 

Take The Brits this year, so many nominated singles returned to the top 200 and The 1975 went top 50 after their performance. I don't think they were even top 200 night before.

Spotify had a promoted 'Brits' playlist the following day, which 'The Sound' featured on.