You're right, I am a Will fan. Will's in a different league to him though.

 

I don't agree with you about Olly Murs being like Kelly Clarkson (comparing him to Take That and Kelly Clarkson is extremely flattering and more than he deserves) - she is a proper singer and that is always appreciated by people who like music, but Olly Murs isn't, he's at the karaoke end of entertainment for me.

 

You're just making tourself look silly now. There is NO WAY Olly would have had 4 album sell near or over a million copies if he wasn't appreciated by music fans.

You're just making tourself look silly now. There is NO WAY Olly would have had 4 album sell near or over a million copies if he wasn't appreciated by music fans.

 

Rubbish. I've never said he's not popular if you read back. I just question their taste! :lol:

 

You said he isn't appreciated by people who like music. If he wasn't appreciated then he wouldn't be popular. You also said he wasn't a proper singer, even though he got his start the exact same way as Kelly, and Will.

You said he isn't appreciated by people who like music. If he wasn't appreciated then he wouldn't be popular. You also said he wasn't a proper singer, even though he got his start the exact same way as Kelly, and Will.

 

You misunderstand me I'm afraid. There are plenty of artists that you may not be a fan of (in terms of liking practically everything about them and following all they do) but you can recognise they are talented singers. Kelly Clarkson for me is one. She's an excellent singer and is always capable of singing a song you think is very very good. Thats about the singing. Olly Murs recognises himself he's not the greatest singer (far from it). He concentrates on entertainment value, catchy songs, energy, doing things to be "popular". It's clear that this approach has worked very well for him, but as I've said it takes a huge amount of effort and the signs are as he gets older, the same as most pop artists, interest naturally reduces. His sales are not what they were and his singles this time haven't done that well. Yes he has done loads of touring and lots of people go to see him for a good night out. When he releases his greatest hits (coming soon I reckon) no doubt it will do well as plenty of people will want a set of his ditties.

 

He may have entered the industry in a similar way to Will and he may have done a lot of copying of Will in his time but they are so different people/ artists its pointless to compare them.

Edited July 21, 20177 yr by ros

He entered in the exact same way as Will. He might not have the voice of someone like Josh Groban but he can still sing, very capably. He has talent. He makes catchy songs but that doesn't automatically make him any less of a "real" singer than Kelly Clarkson (who has her fair share of catchy pop songs) EVERY singer wants to entertain their fans, through the songs, the videos, the performances.

 

You're so focussed on using Kelly as an example so i will too.

 

She has a huge bubbly and likeable personality. So does Olly.

She came through a reality show. So did Olly. Sure he didn't win, but he's made a name for himself and proved that you don't need to win to have a successful career.

She releases catchy songs. So does Olly. They both have successful ballady type songs too. You don't need a Celine Dion type voice to pull one off. Olly's ballads are gorgeous, as are Kelly's.

Both have a great set of videos for their songs. Both put on a great show on tour etc. Different kind of show granted, but no less entertaining.

 

I also fail to see how Olly copied Will :lol: Will is nothing original to begin with.

I understand the 2 points in these discussions. I am a big Olly fan, as a singer he is limited, in many ways the same as Robbie Williams. However, he makes up this shortfall by been an entertaining performer. Some artists, Leona Lewis a strong example, has a much superior voice but is a much inferior entertainer.

 

Olly has always played to his strengths and this is the reason he has built up an impressive career. His most recent album and singles have done ok but not as strong as his previous albums and singles. That said, he is no different to any other artists who didn't come the reality show route. Very few sustain million plus selling albums and platinum selling singles, 5 albums into their career. Will Young was far less successful than Olly when comparing their most recent releases but Will like Olly has had a strong career. Both have passed their peak but both are still able to sell music and tours and grab tv slots and appearances with ease. All in all, both have done very well since their made their debut on Pop Idol and X Factor respectively.

 

I do see Olly eventually heading for a TV or radio career and he will pull further away from music. I do believe (or hope) he will continue to release albums but it will be on a far greater sporadic level than what we are used to.

I just was doubting that Olly is the level of huge that will retain a fanbase if he comes back quite soon after a break. It wouldn't be the same as a band like Take That who were huge when very young, took a long break/breakup, and came back as older men to gain a new fanbase. Or likewise for Madonna, Cher, Kylie, any of that crowd. For starters he's never been as big. He's had the might of X Factor and Syco behind him as their flagship act, but Syco have shown themselves for years to be fickle with retaining stars and quick to move on to the next one to try and capture the young market they seem to want to play for.

 

Yes, he's had a lot of solo success...based on being one of the few X Factor success stories, with consistent results, with lots of promo on Cowell-owned shows. There aren't yet any X Factor legacy acts to compare with. Leona's stratospheric success on both sides of the pond didn't stop her from being sidelined by the label the minute she started having diminishing returns. Record companies are fickle.

 

Olly hasn't established himself as an older man yet. Perhaps he will be able to, but he's been playing on the same image for seven years now. If he takes an extended break, if or when he launches a comeback he'll be in uncharted territory. Will the public - and importantly, the label? - still be invested in him? It completely depends if they'll support him or not. I just feel it's hard to judge that, especially given the fact that no other act from the X Factor has managed to do it yet.

I don't see how he's copied or is remotely like Will at all, becasue he dared to release a ballad once and also came from a talent show? :lol: Can no male release a ballad without it copying Will? That's the only remote Will comparison or """""copy""""""" i can think of. Will has a whiny irritating voice to my ears, it's subjective, he is hardly some sort of innovative pop god with an incomparable voice. Olly doesn't have to be Whitney or Celine in order to make music, as fab as singers like that are if everyone was like the industry would be boring. Some people just want a nice fun pop song delivered by a nice fun person, it doesn't have to be psychoanalysed or be a big deal, he just is whatever he is.

I just was doubting that Olly is the level of huge that will retain a fanbase if he comes back quite soon after a break. It wouldn't be the same as a band like Take That who were huge when very young, took a long break/breakup, and came back as older men to gain a new fanbase. Or likewise for Madonna, Cher, Kylie, any of that crowd. For starters he's never been as big. He's had the might of X Factor and Syco behind him as their flagship act, but Syco have shown themselves for years to be fickle with retaining stars and quick to move on to the next one to try and capture the young market they seem to want to play for.

 

Yes, he's had a lot of solo success...based on being one of the few X Factor success stories, with consistent results, with lots of promo on Cowell-owned shows. There aren't yet any X Factor legacy acts to compare with. Leona's stratospheric success on both sides of the pond didn't stop her from being sidelined by the label the minute she started having diminishing returns. Record companies are fickle.

 

Olly hasn't established himself as an older man yet. Perhaps he will be able to, but he's been playing on the same image for seven years now. If he takes an extended break, if or when he launches a comeback he'll be in uncharted territory. Will the public - and importantly, the label? - still be invested in him? It completely depends if they'll support him or not. I just feel it's hard to judge that, especially given the fact that no other act from the X Factor has managed to do it yet.

 

BECAUSE HE'S NOT AN OLDER MAN. He's barely in his 30's, that's not evne middle aged. As for his image, there's nothing wrong with it. It suits him and he has never looke dlike someone trying to be younger than he is.

 

If he can pull it off (and he does) then why change it? It's the same thing with the likes of Kylie or J-Lo. Just because both are nearly 50, it doesn't mean they need to cover up and dress like loveless widows. They both looks incredible for their age and can easily pull off the looks they go for,

 

Regarding his label etc. Let's be real here, his most unsuccessful album still went plantinum. Most acts would kill for an album doing that well. It might not be as good as what he once had, but it's hardly cause for alarm.

Syco always positioned Olly as a Robbie Williams Mk2. A cheeky chap, not particularly gifted, but given the right material is totally able to put a song across well and with some charm. I see no reason why that plan cant continue for years to come. Maybe his star will wane a little but he remains a likeable character, very hardworking and with a fairly strong fan base.

 

I dont see the point comparing to Will Young.

Nice to see it just sticking with a second week in the top 40.

 

24 hours has still sold incredibly well, I have no idea why people are questioning his sales. It was always obvious he was going to become more of a album artist.

Syco always positioned Olly as a Robbie Williams Mk2. A cheeky chap, not particularly gifted, but given the right material is totally able to put a song across well and with some charm. I see no reason why that plan cant continue for years to come. Maybe his star will wane a little but he remains a likeable character, very hardworking and with a fairly strong fan base.

 

I dont see the point comparing to Will Young.

 

 

There isn't any point. His name only came up as someone decided my comments should be ignored by an Olly stan as I was a Will fan. :rolleyes: I hope he enjoys his backpacking - just as Will does. :lol:

 

I agree with your comments about Olly. No one should kid themselves that he has some great natural talent. He's a pretty ordinary guy who has got (and complied with) an extraordinary push through the Cowell sausage machine, loads of investment, XF and BGT exposure yearly at peak selling time, opportunities second to none supporting bigger acts at home and abroad, radio airplay and promo that should have him selling Ed Sheeran quantities. Added to that he's made the most of the opportunities pushed his way, slogged his guts out, but he's in diminishing returns now as he gets older without a doubt.

 

He's talking about other projects possibly because he realises that the general public need a break from him. If you never leave the stage you can sicken people by overexposure and I think that's where he's got to now.

 

 

There isn't any point. His name only came up as someone decided my comments should be ignored by an Olly stan as I was a Will fan. :rolleyes: I hope he enjoys his backpacking - just as Will does. :lol:

 

I agree with your comments about Olly. No one should kid themselves that he has some great natural talent. He's a pretty ordinary guy who has got (and complied with) an extraordinary push through the Cowell sausage machine, loads of investment, XF and BGT exposure yearly at peak selling time, opportunities second to none supporting bigger acts at home and abroad, radio airplay and promo that should have him selling Ed Sheeran quantities. Added to that he's made the most of the opportunities pushed his way, slogged his guts out, but he's in diminishing returns now as he gets older without a doubt.

 

He's talking about other projects possibly because he realises that the general public need a break from him. If you never leave the stage you can sicken people by overexposure and I think that's where he's got to now.

 

That is complete bullshit. He is a very talented singer and writer. Plenty of acts get good promo oppertunities, it's not just him. I really don't know what you've got against him. Will got plenty of good oppertunties too, difference being that after a short time, it failed for him. Whereas Olly can still get top 20 singles and Platinum albums. The public likes him.

He gets airplay because radio want to play his songs. And there are other acts who get more exposure but who don't do anywhere near as well as Olly.

 

He might actually just.....want a break :o shoot him now tbh. How dare he. There's not always a hidden meaning. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to try other things. Jennifer Lopez is an actress, dancer, producer and businesswoman and does well at it, why shouldn't Olly try things that interest him?

 

TBH you just sound bitter because Olly can get spots on Strictly to perform but precious Will can only get there as a contestant (before giving up when it gets too hard)

Edited July 21, 20177 yr by Shaphne

That is complete bullshit. He is a very talented singer and writer. Plenty of acts get good promo oppertunities, it's not just him. I really don't know what you've got against him. Will got plenty of good oppertunties too, difference being that after a short time, it failed for him. Whereas Olly can still get top 20 singles and Platinum albums. The public likes him.

He gets airplay because radio want to play his songs. And there are other acts who get more exposure but who don't do anywhere near as well as Olly.

 

He might actually just.....want a break :o shoot him now tbh. How dare he. There's not always a hidden meaning. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to try other things. Jennifer Lopez is an actress, dancer, producer and businesswoman and does well at it, why shouldn't Olly try things that interest him?

 

TBH you just sound bitter because Olly can get spots on Strictly to perform but precious Will can only get there as a contestant (before giving up when it gets too hard)

 

And TBH I might think your comments are complete bullshit too! 😂 But I really can't get my knickers in a twist over it. You go on believing what you want.

Nothing to do with Unpredictable but this is the greatest thing I have ever seen in my life

 

http://i.imgur.com/h4XPiT4.gif

How old is that?

I know he isn't 'an older man'. But if he takes a few years out and comes back aged 36 or 37, he will be, in terms of the pop world where the main target market is teens and 20s, and where a 'young' man is some 18 year old like Shawn Mendes. Older doesn't mean old.

 

All I meant is that he won't be able to target as broad a market as a potential heartthrob and someone whose music you can follow while also having a crush on. He can still target existing fans, and would do, and people closer to his own age bracket, and maybe that would be enough to see the same levels of success. But it would be a difference.

 

For the record I don't know a whole lot about Will Young's music career either.

How old is that?

I have no idea tbh :lol:

I know he isn't 'an older man'. But if he takes a few years out and comes back aged 36 or 37, he will be, in terms of the pop world where the main target market is teens and 20s, and where a 'young' man is some 18 year old like Shawn Mendes. Older doesn't mean old.

 

All I meant is that he won't be able to target as broad a market as a potential heartthrob and someone whose music you can follow while also having a crush on. He can still target existing fans, and would do, and people closer to his own age bracket, and maybe that would be enough to see the same levels of success. But it would be a difference.

 

For the record I don't know a whole lot about Will Young's music career either.

 

Why? Men over 30 can still be heartthrobs and I seriously doubt Olly will lose his looks in the space of a few years. People are still going to want to rip his clothes off and sit on his face whether he's 26 or 36.

He has 5 successful albums, loads of singles and tours. If he goes away for a couple of years and comes back then he will have some success he has earned his stripes to get lifelong support on radio 2 and comercial stations. He will become what robbie williams is now career wise.

If olly takes a break and comes back with a strong lead single he could match the success of his 24 hrs album I think.

 

Good to see unpredictable get its third week top 40 this week although I had hoped to see the album back in the top 100 by now.