By the way #107 isn’t really its chart position! It peaked at #12 in the Bubbling Under chart and technically speaking that doesn’t equate to being #112 overall.

By the way #107 isn’t really its chart position! It peaked at #12 in the Bubbling Under chart and technically speaking that doesn’t equate to being #112 overall.

 

 

Oh I thought it peaked at #7 in the bubbling under chart? The David Sinclair book said it as #107 (or #112 whichever it was) so I've always just assumed bubbling under meant not charted on top 100 so in a chart position below that.

The reported #107 position (but really #7 on Bubbling) was indeed said back then, but it seems like it was misinformation and it was really #12? :thinking: At least it says #12 on Wikipedia.

 

Bubbling Under is 25 songs that haven't charted in the Hot 100 yet, but it's not a 101-125 extension of the Billboard Hot 100, because in theory there'd be songs that had already charted in the Billboard Hot 100 but had dropped out, that would be doing better than some or all of those 25 uncharted songs. That's my understanding of it anyway.

It's #112. I have the run somewhere. I'll find It.

It's #112. I have the run somewhere. I'll find It.

But not really #112, for the reason explained above :kink: #12 in the Billboard Bubbling Under chart ≠ #112.

Bubbling Under is 25 songs that haven't charted in the Hot 100 yet, but it's not a 101-125 extension of the Billboard Hot 100, because in theory there'd be songs that had already charted in the Billboard Hot 100 but had dropped out, that would be doing better than some or all of those 25 uncharted songs. That's my understanding of it anyway.

 

Yeah, pretty much. Bubbling Under are essentially songs that have yet to make an impact on the Hot 100, but are close to doing so. Like you said, technically there'd be songs above them that had already charted on the Hot 100, so they wouldn't qualify for the Bubbling Under chart.

Edited July 25, 20231 yr by tommie

Goodbye U.S. total - 683,000

Not really, it didn't chart in the US, so it's sales are good. Remember Viva Forever is on 128,000 so 86,000 for Holler is good.

Viva Forever wasn't promoted in the USA, whereas Holler was. -_-

 

I wonder why they didn’t release a physical? No wonder it bombed at #107!

At the time, singles could reach #1 on Billboard Hot 100 based on radio airplay alone.

 

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Edited July 26, 20231 yr by Voodoo

So stupid to not release Holler as a physical CD, when their main bulk of sales/performance in the USA came from physical sales back then...

 

But really the main culprit is them (aka Mel C at the time) not caring to promote the record at all. I know it was a hard time for some of them, but damn... what a squandered opportunity.

Edited July 26, 20231 yr by Mr.X

So stupid to not release Holler as a physical CD, when their main bulk of sales/performance in the USA came from physical sales back then...

It wouldn't have made much of a difference anyway. It's not like Forever was a big physical seller.

Viva Forever wasn't promoted in the USA, whereas Holler was. -_-

Did they perform Holler on any American show? I'm sure they performed on the MTV Europe Awards but didn't think they ever went to America as a four piece to promote Holler/Forever. It's not the most memorable Spice song so makes sense why it sold less than 100k.

Edited July 26, 20231 yr by StephenN18

Did they perform Holler on any American show? I'm sure they performed on the MTV Europe Awards but didn't think they ever went to America as a four piece to promote Holler/Forever. It's not the most memorable Spice song so makes sense why it sold less than 100k.

 

Nope.

 

They only did ONE WEEK of promo, ahead of the release of the album in the UK, 1 performance in Germany Top of the Pops and then the European Music Awards. Only Victoria and Emma went to USA to promote the record with a couple of TV interviews and an appereance at the VH1 Awards.

 

That was it.

Goodbye U.S. total - 683,000

 

 

Has this song been certified gold in the USA?

 

I was kind of hoping it would be closer to 1 million over there.

Nope.

 

They only did ONE WEEK of promo, ahead of the release of the album in the UK, 1 performance in Germany Top of the Pops and then the European Music Awards. Only Victoria and Emma went to USA to promote the record with a couple of TV interviews and an appereance at the VH1 Awards.

 

That was it.

 

It was even less than that. From July to November they did around 15 bits of promotion as a four piece. Truly shocking. It just shows they were calling the shots and not manufactured puppets because what record label/management would allow that to happen?

So the girls single sales are about 14 million in the USA. We also know that they sold at least 12 million albums there too

 

So total stands at 26 million records in the USA minimum so far. I would love to know their updated album sales, I wonder why the record company doesn't apply for the new certs?

Pretty sure the last update for the Greatest Hits album in the US was just over 1 million sales and that doesn't include the 600k sales from Victoria's Secret. So their album sales could be close to 14 million now.

Edited July 26, 20231 yr by StephenN18

Nope.

 

They only did ONE WEEK of promo, ahead of the release of the album in the UK, 1 performance in Germany Top of the Pops and then the European Music Awards. Only Victoria and Emma went to USA to promote the record with a couple of TV interviews and an appereance at the VH1 Awards.

 

That was it.

Oh dear, didn't realise it was that bad!

Pretty sure the last update for the Greatest Hits album in the US was just over 1 million sales and that doesn't include the 600k sales from Victoria's Secret. So their album sales could be close to 14 million now.

 

 

That is amazing if so, not sure how though when it had 1 week on the US chart at #93 and then has never been seen on there again since? There are #1 albums from that same year like Britney's Blackout which have only just sold 1 million over there, and that certainly enjoyed more recognition over there than the GH.

 

I didn't include the 600k Victoria Secret sales tbf if you include them that would push their album sales towards 13 million.

Pretty sure the same user who has been posting the US sales for the singles on another forum posted the sales last year for the Greatest Hits. A large chunk of the sales are from streaming, as yeah it only entered low on the album chart. I was surprised too at how high it was.

Last update we got

 

Spice - 8 million

Spiceworld - 4.3 million

Forever - 233,000

Greatest Hits - 1.4 million (800k) the remaining 600k is the VS shipment