November 12, 20186 yr Another absurd suggestion... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-63...ge-tax-40s.html Health Minister Matt Hancock considers 'age tax' on the over 40s to pay for their social care later in life and bridge 'catastrophic' funding gap Matt Hancock, the Health and Social Care Sec, said he was 'attracted to' plans Scheme would see compulsory premium deducted from the earnings It would only affect over 40s and 65s, committee said it needs to be compulsory or else it 'wouldn't be done'
November 12, 20186 yr Worryingly sensible suggestion from a Tory. We need to do a lot more to account for the aging population and their care needs. Taxation is a necessary option. There are other alternates too but this is a good starting point.
November 13, 20186 yr Another absurd suggestion... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-63...ge-tax-40s.html Health Minister Matt Hancock considers 'age tax' on the over 40s to pay for their social care later in life and bridge 'catastrophic' funding gap Matt Hancock, the Health and Social Care Sec, said he was 'attracted to' plans Scheme would see compulsory premium deducted from the earnings It would only affect over 40s and 65s, committee said it needs to be compulsory or else it 'wouldn't be done' Which part do you object to? It is an inescapable fact that the demand for social care is increasing as the population ages. That has to be paid for somehow. The last Labour government made an attempt to achieve a consensus on how to fund it. They achieved that initially, until the Daily Mail started moaning. At that point, the Tories changed their minds and suddenly opposed the proposals. I'm sure we all remember their attempt to get their own proposals in through the back door in the last election. The simplest solution is to pay for at least a decent level of social care through general taxation (i.e. not paid for just by the over-40s). Any means-tested solution has the downside that it can encourage people to spend their money rather than putting it aside in case they need social care. Relying on insurance will mean many wealthy people taking a risk and not taking out insurance while the least well-off would decide they can't afford the premiums. What would you do if they then needed social care? Of course, there is also the issue of whether insurance companies would offer the product in the first place.
November 14, 20186 yr Which part do you object to? It is an inescapable fact that the demand for social care is increasing as the population ages. That has to be paid for somehow. The part about over-40's paying extra. :rolleyes: They already pay for it via their taxes - this would be like introducing private health by stealth.
November 14, 20186 yr No it would not. An increase in NI contributions for the over 40s for a national care service would be expanding the NHS and help secure its future. The fact is that we’re getting older and that needs to be funded some how. This is an entirely sensible and logical proposal
November 14, 20186 yr The part about over-40's paying extra. :rolleyes: They already pay for it via their taxes - this would be like introducing private health by stealth. But we’re not paying for social care. That’s the point. As I said above, I don’t like the idea of increasing taxes only for the over-40s. It should be paid for by all taxpayers.
November 14, 20186 yr But we’re not paying for social care. That’s the point. As I said above, I don’t like the idea of increasing taxes only for the over-40s. It should be paid for by all taxpayers. I can just about see the rationale for 40-65 y/o's paying more tax for the NHS (although I don't agree with it), but not the 65+. They've been *paying* tax for 45 years or more on the understanding that the NHS will be there for them when they become infirm.
November 28, 20186 yr Do you really want this woman as a future Home Secretary?? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1051474/d...-police-twitter
November 28, 20186 yr Do you really want this woman as a future Home Secretary?? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1051474/d...-police-twitter I assume it's another attack on Dianne Abbott. My guess is that, even if Labour win an election under Corbyn, she won't be Home Secretary.
November 28, 20186 yr Faaar better than Mad May, Amber Rudd etc Are you kidding - we'd be lucky if the doesn't abolish the police altogether...
November 28, 20186 yr Labour is going to put money INTO police, not say they are crying wolf whilst cutting their numbers and funding. Oops.
November 28, 20186 yr Hilarious that Tories like Vidcapper 5hink they can attack Labour over policing, when the Tories literally slashed their numbers and budgets to the point where they can barely respond to burglaries AND SAID THEY WERE 'CRYING WOLF' WHEN THE POLICE TOLD MAD MAY AS HOME SEC HER BUDGET CUTS WERE MAKING IT HARD TO FIT CRIME AND TERRORISM!
November 29, 20186 yr Hilarious that Tories like Vidcapper 5hink they can attack Labour over policing, when the Tories literally slashed their numbers and budgets to the point where they can barely respond to burglaries AND SAID THEY WERE 'CRYING WOLF' WHEN THE POLICE TOLD MAD MAY AS HOME SEC HER BUDGET CUTS WERE MAKING IT HARD TO FIT CRIME AND TERRORISM! I may appear to be a Tory, but I would NEVER vote for them, so how do you reconcile that? :rolleyes: The Tories only cut police numbers as pert of the austerity package caused by the last Labour gov'ts profligacy. When your credit card is maxed out, you *cut* spending - but Labour refuses to acknowledge this...
November 29, 20186 yr LIES. WHEN EVEN GIDEON OSBORNE ADMITS THAT WAS A PROPAGANDA SLUR, THEN YOU SHOULD LET THAT PROPAGANDA DIE. https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/10/16/o...at-recession-2/ I told you you have been brainwashed by right wing propaganda. The fact you repeat one of their biggest, most ridiculous lies shows that. Perhaps you will listen now?? Miliband's biggest mistake was not challenging that big fat lie. I bet you are going to use that note the Tories used as propaganda as 'evidence', when for DECADES the outgoing treasury has left similarly glib comments as an ongoing JOKE? Hmm? 1. The response to economic problems is to INVEST. We have the WORST PERFORMING MAJOR ECONOMY DUE TO AUSTERITY!! 2. AUSTERITY was nor an economic necessity, but a political choice to funnel money up to the Tory ruling class!!! https://www.tuc.org.uk/blogs/chancellor-fin...olitical-choice 3. Seriously. Seriously. SERIOUSLY you are going with that old credit card chestnut? Surely we have debunked you equating government finances with household finances like a 100 times now? Stop propagandising please. That is clearly what that is, seeing as we have been over this point 100 times before. And you wonder why we say you are a Tory! 4. Mad May cut the police numbers, not Labour. YOU CANNOT BLAME LABOUR FOR MAD MAY CUTS!!
December 2, 20186 yr Austerity was a political choice. It is not supported as a course of action by economic theory and in the field it is widely acknowledged as causing more problems than it alleges to fix. And the Tory government have destroyed the police in England/Wales with their policies. Greater Manchester is becoming a lawless hell hole because they are 2,000 cops short of their minimum staffing level to respond properly to crimes and keep people safe. They’re about 3,500 cops short of the community policing model they desperately want to provide. Head of GM police is honest and open about the fact that they just don’t respond to some crimes now or bother to investigate them because of a complete lack of resources to do so
December 2, 20186 yr Author No it would not. An increase in NI contributions for the over 40s for a national care service would be expanding the NHS and help secure its future. The fact is that we’re getting older and that needs to be funded some how. This is an entirely sensible and logical proposal No it isn't it's selective taxation on one group, many of whom may not live long enough to get any personal benefit. Using this logic, only under 40's should pay for education for their children's education, or maternity care towards the NHS. Everybody gets old. Or they die. It's a lottery. Those of us unlucky not to have children don't moan that we pay for everyone else's children's education and welfare, because it's fair that society as a whole pays for the young. AND for the elderly. Getting old is not something you can opt out of, and the way things are right now, the elderly already pay for their own old age by having their house taken away from them to pay for it (after they die). Children have a choice: look after your parents and give up some of your own wages and life (like I have been doing for over 10 years) or put them in a home and lose out on any claim to inheritance (if any).
December 2, 20186 yr 3. Seriously. Seriously. SERIOUSLY you are going with that old credit card chestnut? Surely we have debunked you equating government finances with household finances like a 100 times now? Stop propagandising please. *Me* stop progagandizing? :wacko: You're the one who has a delusional 19th C view of the Tories! I see myself as a little more pragmatic where political parties are concerned.
December 2, 20186 yr No it isn't it's selective taxation on one group, many of whom may not live long enough to get any personal benefit. Using this logic, only under 40's should pay for education for their children's education, or maternity care towards the NHS. Everybody gets old. Or they die. It's a lottery. Those of us unlucky not to have children don't moan that we pay for everyone else's children's education and welfare, because it's fair that society as a whole pays for the young. AND for the elderly. Getting old is not something you can opt out of, and the way things are right now, the elderly already pay for their own old age by having their house taken away from them to pay for it (after they die). Children have a choice: look after your parents and give up some of your own wages and life (like I have been doing for over 10 years) or put them in a home and lose out on any claim to inheritance (if any). If the over 40's don't want to pay for it perhaps they should stop hoarding all this countries f***ing wealth then coz the millennials sure as shit don't earn enough to subsidise this. All the multi-millionaire 40+ wealth hoarding w*n**rs who only give out unpaid internships and low pay then moan about millennials can pay for this.
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