February 18, 20196 yr I'd be very surprised if they didn't. You missed the point. He made a statement of "fact". He just assumed that people would believe him because he said it with confidence on a posh voice.
February 19, 20196 yr You missed the point. He made a statement of "fact". He just assumed that people would believe him because he said it with confidence on a posh voice. Are you saying then that your default position is extreme scepticism over any information from a source on the 'wrong' side of the political divide? Over the years, I've learned to be very cautious on information even from *my* side of a debate, as I recognize that they have an agenda too. :thinking:
February 19, 20196 yr Men found guilty of stealing free newspapers at London Bridge https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/9837...0a725-408108629 Curious one, this. ;)
February 19, 20196 yr Author Are you saying then that your default position is extreme scepticism over any information from a source on the 'wrong' side of the political divide? Over the years, I've learned to be very cautious on information even from *my* side of a debate, as I recognize that they have an agenda too. :thinking: Possibly because I & others are quick to point out provable lies, the vast majority of which come from "your" side of the debate - people who disagree are equally free to poo-poo any statement made by anybody over anything by quoting facts. The fact that that doesn't happen should tell you something..... The internet contains the history of the whole human race and entire universe, freely available, and people instead push lies and agendas despite the facts that can easily prove they are liars or twisting conversations away from facts, and a major problem in society world-wide now is intolerance based around anger and shutting down debate of anyone who holds a different point of view. The only way to win a debate in the long run is truth and reason. Everything else is temporary and ultimately insubstantial in the long run.
February 19, 20196 yr The internet contains the history of the whole human race and entire universe If only. :P , freely available, and people instead push lies and agendas despite the facts that can easily prove they are liars or twisting conversations away from facts, and a major problem in society world-wide now is intolerance based around anger and shutting down debate of anyone who holds a different point of view. The only way to win a debate in the long run is truth and reason. Everything else is temporary and ultimately insubstantial in the long run. The question then must be, why would people even bother posting easily disprovable lies?
February 19, 20196 yr If only. :P The question then must be, why would people even bother posting easily disprovable lies? Because they can and they often get away with it, particularly if the press are on their side.
February 19, 20196 yr Because they can and they often get away with it, particularly if the press are on their side. BUt they *don't* get away with it - their lies are exposed. After that, you're just left with people who choose to believe them, because it suits them.
February 19, 20196 yr BUt they *don't* get away with it - their lies are exposed. After that, you're just left with people who choose to believe them, because it suits them. The exposure of the lies frequently gets less coverage than the original lie. Remember, a lie has got half way round the world before the truth has got its boots on.
February 19, 20196 yr Author If only. :P The question then must be, why would people even bother posting easily disprovable lies? Cos people are lazy and just read headline propaganda. They expect other people to do their research for them....
February 19, 20196 yr Cos people are lazy and just read headline propaganda. They expect other people to do their research for them.... Perish the thought that I'd ever do that... :teresa:
February 22, 20196 yr https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2...s-business-live UK public finances hit record surplus in boost to chancellor ************************************* Isn't this what austerity was *supposed* to achieve? I dare say Corbyn is working out how to plunder it, though...
February 22, 20196 yr https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2...s-business-live UK public finances hit record surplus in boost to chancellor ************************************* Isn't this what austerity was *supposed* to achieve? I dare say Corbyn is working out how to plunder it, though... The figures are for January, the month of the Self-Assessment deadline. It is always a bumper month for tax receipts.
February 22, 20196 yr The figures are for January, the month of the Self-Assessment deadline. It is always a bumper month for tax receipts. Are you really playing down some *good* economic news?
February 22, 20196 yr Are you really playing down some *good* economic news? I'm putting it in context. One month's figures on their own are meaningless. It's longer-term trends that really count.
February 22, 20196 yr I'm putting it in context. One month's figures on their own are meaningless. It's longer-term trends that really count. I'm glad you said that... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67...us-January.html Even though it's a Mail article, the 25 year deficit graph it contains is based on real figures, rather than the usual politically slanted opinion. :mellow:
February 22, 20196 yr Author perhaps these stats will help with the issue of debt relative to the rest of the world and as a percentage of GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_national_debt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count..._by_public_debt all of the crisis-avoiding money-printing has been made by the Tories and Labour since 2008.
February 22, 20196 yr perhaps these stats will help with the issue of debt relative to the rest of the world and as a percentage of GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_national_debt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count..._by_public_debt all of the crisis-avoiding money-printing has been made by the Tories and Labour since 2008. All very nice, but surely the issue is that it is heading the right way - comparing the relative levels to the rest of the world is irrelevant in this context.
February 22, 20196 yr Author All very nice, but surely the issue is that it is heading the right way - comparing the relative levels to the rest of the world is irrelevant in this context. That things are not quite as bad as the recent historical highs is a good thing. That it's still nowhere near where it needs to be after a decade amid promises it would be all be sorted in 5 years is bad. Comparing with the rest of the world is vital because you need to see how you are doing in comparison - if a world depression was giving everyone a bad time then blame is not on anyone in particular for failing to improve, if you're debt levels are on a par with 3rd world & war torn countries, then that shows you that things are not at all good.
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