I swear Sammy brings up Ed Sheeran in literally every argument :lol: We get it hun, you like him!

 

I actually don't, he is just the biggest artist right now (with Drake) and obviously a huge streaming artist. I just tend to not feel bias against him. The OCC have come up with the 3 song rule and ACR to try and stop Ed and Drake's dominance over the charts. However artists like Little Mix (and Rihanna an artist I like) are getting to amass huge 'sales' through streaming that are dwarfing achievements of legends of the past. Needed me being platinum and Little Mix managing 69 weeks top 40 are just diminishing the achievements of past artists.

 

Going platinum used to be a huge thing, a song had to be a properly big hit to get a plat cert, now Rihanna can do that spending 1 week in the top 40. The Spice Girls had to get a different set of people go out and buy a 10 quid cd each week to get 63 weeks in the top 40, now Little Mix manage it by probably a very similar set of people listening to the album week in week out.

 

I'm not against streaming, I think it is the most important thing but the OCC need to cap a person to a single sale counting towards an album or single a year. 3 songs per album, ACR are just sticking plasters done as a show to stop Ed and Drake being too dominant but it is the #38 platinum single or the album selling less than 1m breaking Spice Girls record that are the real problem.

I don't see why people are so upset and truly hurt over this. The Spice Girls held the record and Little Mix broke it. It's that simple. No one is saying that Little Mix is bigger than the Spice Girls. Its simply stating a fact. You can sit on here and cry about how streaming is ruining all the records that your old times faves should hold forever but it doesn't change anything. The record has been broken and considering that Glory Days is still in the Top 20, it will be interesting to see where the record stands when they finally leave the Top 40. People keep bringing up sales when that is clearly not what this record is about and literally no one has implied that Little Mix have outsold the Spice Girls. Its simply a testament to Little Mix's longevity that a girl group (and X factor act at that) can be breaking these records on their fourth album. Just congratulate them and move on. I doubt the Spice Girls themselves care that much about their record being broken so I don't understand why so many people on here seem to.

Little Mix are UTTER SHOOIIIITEE

 

TEERRRIBLE manufactured Cowell pop screamers. They don't have the record. They are artificially boosted by streaming and X Factor

I don't see why people are so upset and truly hurt over this. The Spice Girls held the record and Little Mix broke it. It's that simple. No one is saying that Little Mix is bigger than the Spice Girls. Its simply stating a fact. You can sit on here and cry about how streaming is ruining all the records that your old times faves should hold forever but it doesn't change anything. The record has been broken and considering that Glory Days is still in the Top 20, it will be interesting to see where the record stands when they finally leave the Top 40. People keep bringing up sales when that is clearly not what this record is about and literally no one has implied that Little Mix have outsold the Spice Girls. Its simply a testament to Little Mix's longevity that a girl group (and X factor act at that) can be breaking these records on their fourth album. Just congratulate them and move on. I doubt the Spice Girls themselves care that much about their record being broken so I don't understand why so many people on here seem to.

 

Because it is a charts forum and people on here care about the charts.

 

The OCC clearly haven't got a grip on streaming, they have moved goal posts, 100 ratio, 150 ratio, ACR, so yes it is ok to queston if the OCC's application of streaming sales is right and diminishing past achievements.

 

 

I actually don't, he is just the biggest artist right now (with Drake) and obviously a huge streaming artist. I just tend to not feel bias against him. The OCC have come up with the 3 song rule and ACR to try and stop Ed and Drake's dominance over the charts. However artists like Little Mix (and Rihanna an artist I like) are getting to amass huge 'sales' through streaming that are dwarfing achievements of legends of the past. Needed me being platinum and Little Mix managing 69 weeks top 40 are just diminishing the achievements of past artists.

 

Going platinum used to be a huge thing, a song had to be a properly big hit to get a plat cert, now Rihanna can do that spending 1 week in the top 40. The Spice Girls had to get a different set of people go out and buy a 10 quid cd each week to get 63 weeks in the top 40, now Little Mix manage it by probably a very similar set of people listening to the album week in week out.

 

I'm not against streaming, I think it is the most important thing but the OCC need to cap a person to a single sale counting towards an album or single a year. 3 songs per album, ACR are just sticking plasters done as a show to stop Ed and Drake being too dominant but it is the #38 platinum single or the album selling less than 1m breaking Spice Girls record that are the real problem.

 

I agree that going platinum for singles is sooooo easy these days but for albums it seems to be a lot harder, you have to have really captured the general public to go platinum in albums these days (i think like 10 albums have gone platinum in the past 18 months or so) whereas a 1x platinum album was often seen as underachievement back in the day for some artists.

It definitely is diminishing past artists' success. Drake and Beiber having like 100 weeks at no.1 between them with crap music all because of streaming!! They are artificial arbitrary figures - 100/ 150-1 because they say so.

Because it is a charts forum and people on here care about the charts.

 

The OCC clearly haven't got a grip on streaming, they have moved goal posts, 100 ratio, 150 ratio, ACR, so yes it is ok to queston if the OCC's application of streaming sales is right and diminishing past achievements.

And none of that is relevant to the album chart, which this record is for. The goalposts haven't actually been moved once for album streams.

Little Mix are UTTER SHOOIIIITEE

 

TEERRRIBLE manufactured Cowell pop screamers. They don't have the record. They are artificially boosted by streaming and X Factor

 

Yada yada yada...

 

I'm laughing at all the Spice Girls stans getting their knickers in a twist over Little Mix breaking their "precious" joint record. :lol:

Honestly, music success feels so uncertain right now, pop music is dying off. Albums aren’t selling. The singles chart is being produced largely by one Spotify Playlist. I feel like OCC don’t really know how to measure chart success and everything feels kinda in limbo. The fact Little Mix, who’re a type of artist who generally have a shelf life and chart odds stacked against them are continuing to flourish and thrive should be celebrated, even if goal posts have moved over the decades.

 

I think, even if the article accolades might seem triggering, Spice Girls fans need to calm down and realise that nothing will ever come close to the world domination they achieved - Not just for a girl group, but as artists in general. The fame, success and mania of Spice Girls in the 90s will never be matched by another pop group, no matter how much Little Mix continue to grow and smash records.

As a matter of interest, the Top 40 chart runs of previous record holders 'Spice' and 'Always and Forever', in comparison to record breaker 'Glory Days' -

 

 

Little Mix - 'Glory Days'

 

 

#1 peak: 5 weeks

Top 3: 13 weeks

Top 5: 13 weeks

Top 10: 29 weeks

Top 20: 65 weeks

Top 40: 69 weeks

 

[1st Entry: 25/11/2016] 01-01-03-03-02-01-01-01-02-03-03-03-08-07-06-08-08-11-12-15-13-10-14-11-13-17-16-09-15-11-14-14-11-09-09-12-12-09-13-13-13-12-15-11-17-24-20-13-20-24-31-31-out (52w)

[2nd Entry: 01/12/2017] 03-06-08-09-09-12-10-09-11-14-14-16-12-13-19-20-17... (17w)

 

 

Spice Girls - 'Spice'

 

 

#1 peak: 15 weeks

Top 3: 30 weeks

Top 5: 40 weeks

Top 10: 43 weeks

Top 20: 50 weeks

Top 40: 63 weeks

 

[Entry: 10/11/1996] 01-02-02-01-01-01-01-01-01-01-01-02-03-04-03-03-01-02-01-01-01-01-02-02-03-02-01-02-02-03-04-05-05-04-04-05-04-02-04-04-06-09-11-09-11-13-15-20-22-20-22-20-21-27-36-35-33-39-38-39-33-37-40-out (63w)

 

 

Eternal - 'Always & Forever'

 

 

#2 peak: 3 weeks

Top 3: 5 weeks

Top 5: 14 weeks

Top 10: 24 weeks

Top 20: 38 weeks

Top 40: 63 weeks

 

[1st Entry: 05/12/1993] 33-out (1w)

[2nd Entry: 02/01/1994] 25-24-11-09-16-20-22-27-35-out (9w)

[3rd Entry: 08/05/1994] 05-03-03-05-04-05-10-12-14-20-20-23-27-24-20-04-05-08-08-18-23-23-28-38-35-23-12-13-08-06-06-07-06-05-02-02-02-04-04-09-13-13-11-21-24-30-27-38-out (48w)

[4th Entry: 16/04/1995] 28-21-30-37-35-out (5w)

 

 

 

I didn't realise before this thread that 'Always & Forever' had achieved such longevity tbh! It's a shame that Eternal don't seem to be particularly well remembered (at least if BuzzJack's Ultimate Girl Groups Rate is anything to go by, haha).

 

Interesting to note that the album didn't achieve its peak of #2 until January 1995, which was after the fifth and final single from the album had been released ('Crazy' in December 1994, which reached #15 in the singles chart).

 

In the album's three weeks at #2 it was held off by The Beautiful South's 'Carry on Up the Charts - The Best Of'.

 

Another notable achievement is that 'Always & Forever' became the first girl group album to sell over a million copies in the UK, and it's certified 4 x Platinum.

I did some research and it turns out that out of Glory Days' 69 weeks in the top 40 of the official chart, only 6 of those weeks was it out of the top 40 on the sales only chart. That would put it at 63 weeks if you take out the streaming factor which means that regardless of streaming, Little Mix would've still at least tied the Spice Girls' record.

I knew you'd come through with geek stats, Jay *.*

 

Ooi, what albums stopped the Spices from getting consecutive weeks? :o

 

Yeahhh. 'Always & Forever' is a real revelation to me. They don't feel like they were ever THAT big to me haha. Ofc 'I Wanna Be the Only One' is still played on stations like Smooth and Heart etc.. (I think) and is their most remembered hit, but I had no idea their albums did anything :lol:

 

In fact, just looking at their tracklist for that album and I only know 'Just A Step From Heaven' from memory. So this album wasn't even the one with IWBTOO or 'Angel Of Mine' (meh, I might be alone in remembering (and loving) that one lmao)

 

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Thanks for looking that up court! I wonder if this was the real reason as to why OCC shared this information this week, coz it would've been the week where they tied on pure sales? Coz like Bré said, it seems like a really random week to suddenly announce that, when they broke it on the official chart 5 weeks ago..

Thanks for looking that up court! I wonder if this was the real reason as to why OCC shared this information this week, coz it would've been the week where they tied on pure sales? Coz like Bré said, it seems like a really random week to suddenly announce that, when they broke it on the official chart 5 weeks ago..

They've actually been out of the Top 40 on sales for the past few weeks (in addition to a few weeks last year right before the re-release). It is weird that they randomly announced it this week instead of a couple weeks ago when it happened and I can't think of any reasons why.

I knew you'd come through with geek stats, Jay *.*

 

Ooi, what albums stopped the Spices from getting consecutive weeks? :o

 

I've just posted all the Top 5 albums charts that the Spice Girls featured in, here: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=5962816 *.*

 

 

'Angel Of Mine' (meh, I might be alone in remembering (and loving) that one lmao)

That's my favourite Eternal single! :wub: It was their second best selling single as of January 2012, with 260,000 copies sold! Definitely deserved even more than that.

 

I Wanna Be The Only One had sold 650,000 by May 2015. Funnily enough the album that single was taken from (their third album Before the Rain) wasn't a particularly big seller itself, 240,000 copies sold in 1997 (bearing in mind that Always & Forever sold around 1,200,000).

 

 

I've compared the 'Always & Forever' singles runs in comparison to how the album was performing in the same weeks. It's interesting that their popularity back in 1994 leaned more towards the album chart than the singles chart. Only one of the five singles released from it managed to become certified (Oh Baby I - silver). Note that their debut single 'Stay' had left the Top 100 singles chart by the time they released the album.

 

12-08-12-16-26-x [save Our Love]

24-11-09-16-20... [Always & Forever]

 

12-11-09-08-10-16-23-34-x [Just A Step From Heaven]

82-51-05-03-03-05-04-05... [Always & Forever]

 

18-13-15-24-35-x [so Good]

20-04-05-08-08... [Always & Forever]

 

07-04-06-07-12-19-19-23-24-24-x [Oh Baby I]

23-12-13-08-06-06-07-06-05-02... [Always & Forever]

 

15-19-15-24-40-x [Crazy]

06-05-02-02-02... [Always & Forever]

 

 

So it was Just A Step From Heaven which really made the album take off! The album's 82-51-05 move up the chart was impressive. Also interesting to see that despite So Good only being a Top 15 hit, it helped the album climb back into the Top 5.

 

(Lmao... I truly geeked out with this post, soz x)

I Wanna Be The Only One was on sales of 670k in March last year! ^_^

 

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...p;#entry5653455

And none of that is relevant to the album chart, which this record is for. The goalposts haven't actually been moved once for album streams.

 

Which says a lot to me. Streaming has taken off hugely since it was added in to the album chart so maybe it needs a look at it.

 

I'd actually like an ACR for albums but also for albums streaming to count more before going to ACR. I think once an album hits 52 weeks on the chart it should go on ACR.

 

This would bring sales for albums more in line with the past. It would increase sales whilst the album was high up the chart and on intial release but give albums a more natural shelf life than currently where albums are spending years and years in the top 40 thanks to streaming.

To add to that 17 of the current top 40 albums are 52 weeks or more on the chart and that is in a week with 7 new entries. On a week with less new entries I'm sure 50% of the top 40 albums will be at least a year old.

Edited March 29, 20187 yr by sammy01

I Wanna Be The Only One was on sales of 670k in March last year! ^_^

 

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...p;#entry5653455

 

Urgh what is your super trashy signature

The Spice Girls had to get a different set of people go out and buy a 10 quid cd each week to get 63 weeks in the top 40, now Little Mix manage it by probably a very similar set of people listening to the album week in week out.

 

 

This.

Streaming doesn’t effect the album chart anywhere near to the amounts it does the singles chart, Little Mix’s pure sales are very strong for this day in age.

 

They've actually been out of the Top 40 on sales for the past few weeks (in addition to a few weeks last year right before the re-release). It is weird that they randomly announced it this week instead of a couple weeks ago when it happened and I can't think of any reasons why.

 

Well there we go.