No, as they have not. They have guaranteed services, to spend rather than to cut and put the money into the pockets of the rich, and a modern economy. Meanwhile brexshit promised everything to everyone, different things to different people - sogt brexshit here, hard brexshit there, contradictory, just like the Nazi election campaigns. The Labour manifesto is tangible, solid, and not a nebulous set of contradictory promises based on quicksand.

The Express warning that Boris could end up with most seats than Corbyn but may still see Corbyn walk in to No.10 the week before Christmas after days of lengthy coalition negotiations.

 

Joe Twyman of Delta Poll said Mr Johnson’s Conservative party could win more seats than Labour but not stay in government. Mr Twyman told Express.co.uk in the event of a partnership between Labour and any or all of the Remain parties, the country could see a second referendum in months.

 

The reason for that is that Boris may find that he has burnt all of his bridges in Parliament.

 

“If he has burnt all his bridges in Parliament where does the coalition come from to keep him as Prime Minister.? “Instead, Labour could win fewer seats, potentially far fewer seats and go into some sort of partnership with the SNP and the Liberal Democrats.

 

“The SNP will almost certainly want guarantee of an independence referendum at some stage in the future as the price for co-operation with Labour."

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The Conservatives have taken a commanding 19-point lead over Labour with less than three weeks to go before voters head to the polls, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

 

From The Observer

 

The Conservatives have taken a commanding 19-point lead over Labour with less than three weeks to go before voters head to the polls, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

 

The news comes as Boris Johnson launches the Tory election manifesto on Sunday, a moment seen by many Conservative MPs as the most dangerous of the campaign. It was Theresa May’s botched manifesto in 2017, which included an unpopular social care policy dubbed the “dementia tax”, that played a major part in the collapse in her poll ratings.

 

The Tory share of the vote now stands at 47%, with Labour on 28% and the Lib Dems falling back to 12%. Also struggling is the Brexit party, which has collapsed to 3%. Underlying the Tory lead is the party’s success in attracting support from Leave voters: three-quarters of them say they would vote Conservative.

 

The results suggest that the first week of televised debates between the party leaders has not made an immediate impact on the race. Campaign chiefs at Tory HQ are now focused on avoiding the collapse endured by May two years ago by opting for a safety-first manifesto that spends significantly more money and helps the NHS, childcare and schools.

 

The Tory lead stood at 16 points last week, three points lower than now. However, Opinium is now taking into account the fact that some parties – primarily the Brexit party, which has pulled its candidates from Tory-held constituencies – are not running in every seat. Opinium also asked voters who they would back if all parties were running in their seat, which gave the Tories a 16-point lead – the same as last week’s poll.

 

The Conservative lead is now slightly bigger than at the same point before the last election, when the party held a 13-point lead over Labour. However, at that point, the Tory lead had already begun to close, falling by six points over the previous month.

 

Johnson, who spent yesterday campaigning with his father, Stanley, will attempt to deliver a stripped-down manifesto that focuses on extra funding and the party’s main pledge to “get Brexit done” – a slogan criticised for underestimating the amount of time and effort required to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU.

 

The role of the Lib Dems has now become of great interest to both the main parties. While the Conservatives were concerned that a strong performance from them could put some of its pro-Remain seats at risk, a major collapse in the Lib Dem poll ratings is likely to hugely benefit Labour. :puke2:

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Excellent news for the Conservatives. Now with 19 days to go let's hope the Manifesto tomorrow doesn't cause polls to narrow like it did in 2017.

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Hendon, constituency voting intention:

 

CON: 51% (+3)

LAB: 33% (-13)

LDEM: 12% (+8)

GRN: 1% (-)

 

via @DeltapollUK, 14-20 Nov

Chgs. w/ GE2017

 

As a user on Twitter points out, no party has ever won without Hendon in 45 years and it will indeed be interesting to see if the Tories can hold on to it.

Tim Shipman

YouGov for Sunday Times

NO CORBYN MANIFESTO BOUNCE

 

Con 42 (nc)

Lab 30 (nc)

LDem 16 (+1)

Brexit 3 (-1)

Green 4 (nc)

 

Changes from last YouGov on Weds

I think this is a good post from Digital Spy. No not by me as I'm permanently banned from there. :(

 

 

 

"Have any of you who are moaning about the continued Tory poll lead considered that people are far, far, far more scared of a Corbyn government than a Boris led Tory government and Brexit? With another Labour leader it would be much closer with everything to play for in my opinion.

 

Corbyn wants to nationalise everything. How much will that cost? He reckons McDonalds workers should get £15 an hour, which means everyone else will want the same. All shop workers, waiters, every fast food worker will want that. He wants to put up corporation tax, which will lead to more companies moving abroad and losing jobs than Brexit ever will.

 

People are not stupid.

 

They remember Labour in the 70's. Strikes galore for 15-20% pay rises, because they know Corbyn will give in, which in turn causes 15% inflation, which in turn makes us uncompetitive, which in turn costs more jobs than Brexit ever will (and we don't even know Corbyn's view on Brexit!).

 

And yet people still think the polls are fixed or very wrong, or the British public are stupid. Yes Labour have some good policies but most will bankrupt the country.

 

After 9 years of one party in power the opposition shouldn't be 18 days before an election hoping the polls will change in their direction but should be miles ahead like Blair was in 1997. Why aren't they?"

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I think that's it in a nut-shell really. Despite Boris's bumbling manner and failing to impress on TV, voters are more scared of a Corbyn Labour government than a Tory one. Plus many are sick to death of Brexit and know Corbyn will just drag it out for months with a second unneeded referendum but Boris will get it done soon and hopefully by Jan. 31st.

 

Remember they do say that elections are never ever won by the opposition but lost by the government.

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I think that's it in a nut-shell really. Despite Boris's bumbling manner and failing to impress on TV, voters are more scared of a Corbyn Labour government than a Tory one. Plus many are sick to death of Brexit and know Corbyn will just drag it out for months with a second unneeded referendum but Boris will get it done soon and hopefully by Jan. 31st.

 

Remember they do say that elections are never ever won by the opposition but lost by the government.

Hmm, I wonder if that has got anything to do with the press demonising Corbyn incessantly for the last four years. If liar Johnson wins a majority, some people are in for some very nasty shocks when they find out what his plans are.

 

Oh, and it doesn't seem to have got through to you yet that nothing will be "done" by 31 Jan.

Hmm, I wonder if that has got anything to do with the press demonising Corbyn incessantly for the last four years. If liar Johnson wins a majority, some people are in for some very nasty shocks when they find out what his plans are.

 

Oh, and it doesn't seem to have got through to you yet that nothing will be "done" by 31 Jan.

 

 

His plans will be in the manifesto tomorrow.

His plans will be in the manifesto tomorrow.

Only the plans he wants people to know about. How many of the things he promised in the referendum are contained in his withdrawal deal?

Only the plans he wants people to know about. How many of the things he promised in the referendum are contained in his withdrawal deal?

 

 

Well I know that unlike me you have an intense hatred of Boris so no point debating with you really. I just think that people see him the lesser of two evils. I saw my dog walking friends this morning for the first time in months and asked them honestly what they think of Corbyn and all 4 agreed that "he supports the IRA and terrorism" Their words. So if many others think that too then another reason why Boris is ahead in the polls. He'll never shake that off so they need a new leader. He's the reason why Labour will lose again.

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Well I know that unlike me you have an intense hatred of Boris so no point debating with you really. I just think that people see him the lesser of two evils. I saw my dog walking friends this morning for the first time in months and asked them honestly what they think of Corbyn and all 4 agreed that "he supports the IRA and terrorism" Their words. So if many others think that too then another reason why Boris is ahead in the polls. He'll never shake that off so they need a new leader.

 

The "Corbyn & the IRA" line was the main point of attack used against him in 2017 and it didn't work; mainly because Corbyn's main base of the under 30s were too young to remember the IRA's bombing campaigns, therefore linking him to them had no effect whatsoever, especially on the new voters who've come of age since that election.

The "Corbyn & the IRA" line was the main point of attack used against him in 2017 and it didn't work; mainly because Corbyn's main base of the under 30s were too young to remember the IRA's bombing campaigns, therefore linking him to them had no effect whatsoever, especially on the new voters who've come of age since that election.

 

 

Okay well we'll see in the early hours of 13th December. Friday 13th, unlucky for some. Hopefully Corbyn.

Well I know that unlike me you have an intense hatred of Boris so no point debating with you really. I just think that people see him the lesser of two evils. I saw my dog walking friends this morning for the first time in months and asked them honestly what they think of Corbyn and all 4 agreed that "he supports the IRA and terrorism" Their words. So if many others think that too then another reason why Boris is ahead in the polls. He'll never shake that off so they need a new leader. He's the reason why Labour will lose again.

I don't like liars. I especially don't like liars who lie to get themselves in a position where they can have and adverse effect on my life.

 

Those comments aren't "their words". They are the words of the Daily Mail etc.

 

You and others will soon find out that leaving the EU won't solve any of the country's problems. Don't just take my word for it. Your mate Johnson said it before the referendum.

Those comments aren't "their words". They are the words of the Daily Mail etc.

 

 

Well two of them do read the Daily Mail, yes. :o

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Except that guy from DS is talking BS - JC isn't trying to nationalise EVERYTHING just the things people need on an everyday life like water, public transport and electric where their markets are monopolised by big foreign corporations anyway and people don't have democratic control over. And to say he doesn't have a Brexit policy is bollocks too, if he watched and listened he would know it but he clearly just doesn't agree with it.

 

Why does he bring up the 1970s but seems to happily ignore the past decade of austerity and Brexit inflicted by the party of government??

 

Well I know that unlike me you have an intense hatred of Boris so no point debating with you really. I just think that people see him the lesser of two evils. I saw my dog walking friends this morning for the first time in months and asked them honestly what they think of Corbyn and all 4 agreed that "he supports the IRA and terrorism" Their words. So if many others think that too then another reason why Boris is ahead in the polls. He'll never shake that off so they need a new leader. He's the reason why Labour will lose again.

 

It's really laughable how stupid the right wing working class are in England - do you think that Corbyn supports the IRA and terrorism??

And to say he doesn't have a Brexit policy is bollocks too, if he watched and listened he would know it but he clearly just doesn't agree with it.

 

 

So please tell me then, is Corbyn for or against Brexit? Is he leave or remain? HE WON'T TELL US. :rolleyes: Just says to let the people decide. We want to know where he stands!

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So please tell me then, is Corbyn for or against Brexit? Is he leave or remain? HE WON'T TELL US. :rolleyes: Just says to let the people decide. We want to know where he stands!

 

Given this is an issue that clearly has split the country - it is proper for the government to not take a side to bring it back together. You can be certain with Labour that they won't be partisan in implementing what the people of 2019 want and will find a way that keeps the most people happy.