So Michael claims, but we don't have anything but his word on that. :unsure:

 

Wasn't there a big thing on Twitter about it? :lol:

Incorrect - only one polling company out of 12 maybe using that flawed methodology, so their contribution to the average will be very diluted.

 

Also, a 1% swing to the Tories from the 2017 result would give than an overall majority - an extra 19 seats, giving them 336 and a majority of 22...

 

The one company showing a massive swing in favour of the Tories :lol: and the one company you have selected to show the Tories are miles in front.

 

For someone who 'isn't voting Tory' you're once again doing a fantastic job of showing how much you're into them

non sequitur - if they get in again it will be through a democratic vote.

 

Hmmm I think you need to look up the definition of democratic and then apply it to the lies, disinformation and bias shown in the media for this election.

Correct. If Bojo the wannabe dictator gets in based on this vile exercise of sham democracy, then it's over. Courts, checks and balances and any pretence of media impartiality = gone. They'll then promote Tories as the "natural" party of government, rework the boundaries to favour them, and that's it. Officially a one party banana republic on the fringes of Europe.

Isn't Kantar the one that expects 90% of people over 60 to vote and there to be a low under 35 turnout?

 

ie the one with the dubious methodology.

 

 

Yes, supposedly. The DS posters don't give it a lot of credence.

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Correct. If Bojo the wannabe dictator gets in based on this vile exercise of sham democracy, then it's over. Courts, checks and balances and any pretence of media impartiality = gone. They'll then promote Tories as the "natural" party of government, rework the boundaries to favour them, and that's it. Officially a one party banana republic on the fringes of Europe.

 

Big Boris is Watching You

The reason why it has that methodology is simple: bandwagon theory. It WANTS people to think Tories are at that number to lead public opinion rather than reflect it.

Yes, supposedly. The people on DS don't give it a lot of credence.

 

Supposedly? It either is using the weird methodology, or it isn't :lol:

Big Boris is Watching You

 

And Big BBTory, i.e our new ministry of truth, is protecting him. He needs to go on Andrew Neil NOW.

Supposedly? It either is using the weird methodology, or it isn't :lol:

 

 

Well I don't know for sure do I? 90% of oldies voting sounds a lot and why should so many younger voters register if they've no intention of voting?

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https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-co...QAnJx9wyq9Y7iWs

 

Corbyn has officially called out the BBTory over its obsessive bias. Having a state propaganda channel is not only dangerous for democracy, but is basically the kiss of death. You cannot have a pro-government pro-establishment state broadcaster in a democracy. It just doesn't work.

The one company showing a massive swing in favour of the Tories :lol: and the one company you have selected to show the Tories are miles in front.

 

For someone who 'isn't voting Tory' you're once again doing a fantastic job of showing how much you're into them

 

You don't half talk some crap. :rolleyes:

 

The average lead figure I used is the one from your beloved Guardian! :lol:

 

Hmmm I think you need to look up the definition of democratic and then apply it to the lies, disinformation and bias shown in the media for this election.

 

I apply it to votes counted, full stop!

 

The reason why it has that methodology is simple: bandwagon theory. It WANTS people to think Tories are at that number to lead public opinion rather than reflect it.

 

It's been repeated over and over again - polling companies do *more* than just political polls, bad predictions harm their business in general!

You don't half talk some crap. :rolleyes:

 

The average lead figure I used is the one from your beloved Guardian! :lol:

I apply it to votes counted, full stop!

It's been repeated over and over again - polling companies do *more* than just political polls, bad predictions harm their business in general!

 

The irony of this comment :lol:

 

Also since when did I ever state I loved the Guardian? The figure you stated was Kantar : +12 Tories - so where is the Guardian involved in all this?

 

You Apply if its been a fair election and democratic when the votes have counted - how odd as wouldn't it by that point be a little pointless? And how exactly would the counted votes show something being democratic or not?

 

 

 

The irony of this comment :lol:

 

Also since when did I ever state I loved the Guardian? The figure you stated was Kantar : +12 Tories - so where is the Guardian involved in all this?

 

Average figure was from *their* poll tracker.

Average figure was from *their* poll tracker.

 

Nice :) Do you have a link to the poll

For what it's worth I did look at a couple of Kantar polls in detail. Their weighting does seem to correct to give more older people and they use a political profile that weights their answers to having stronger weighting for older people. I did not find the exact figures quoted on Twitter in the methodology but I can see how you might arrive at them. The only stated weighting on voting intention is taking down the general intention to vote down from c. 80% of respondents to c. 60%.

 

Compared with other polls I've looked at however, their results do have much less young people saying that they will definitely vote and much more older people saying that they will. And this is like a stark difference, from 16% youngest age bracket (previously 10% when this Twitter accusation surfaced) definitely voting on Kantar up to around 70% on other polls like Survation (though Survation is also an outlier, ICM has 48%, Yougov 55%).

The Lib Dems have given up.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independen...2361.html%3famp

 

This is all their fault. It is their fault we even have an early election and that is all due to Jo's ego. We could have got round to a government of national unity and got rid of Bojo before he even had the chance to attack democracy, but noooo. She really believed her own hype. If a hard tory brexshit happens, it's all on her.

Nice :) Do you have a link to the poll

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-int...19-poll-tracker

 

The Lib Dems have given up.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independen...2361.html%3famp

 

This is all their fault. It is their fault we even have an early election and that is all due to Jo's ego. We could have got round to a government of national unity.

 

That's about as likely as you & I agreeing on Brexit. :P

 

BTW, that article contained such paranoid nonsense that it could have been written by you... :P

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The Lib Dems have given up.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independen...2361.html%3famp

 

This is all their fault. It is their fault we even have an early election and that is all due to Jo's ego. We could have got round to a government of national unity and got rid of Bojo before he even had the chance to attack democracy, but noooo. She really believed her own hype. If a hard tory brexshit happens, it's all on her.

This seems to have been Labour's theme of the day on social media yesterday. It is, of course, nonsense.

 

The Lib Dems (along with MPs from other parties) have made many attempts to get a referendum on the deal. They all failed.

 

It had become pretty clear that Johnson was determined to hold an election, despite his protestations to the contrary. The longer he persisted, the more pressure there would be for the opposition to get on with it, The alternative was that he would press on with his awful deal. Thanks to the support of a group of Labour MPs, that had passed its first reading. There was every chance that it would get through all its stages with the support of those Labour MPs. Therefore, the only realistic way to stop this altogether was a general election.

An election was needed to clear the air, give Johnson a clear mandate from the people and get Brexit done. It's oven ready!

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