April 8, 20196 yr That's exactly what it is, the comedy, Charis. Jay, you're chart nerd and that's nice. Wish we have those 61862 sales from downloads and physical sales, that's what I'm saying in all these posts. With that Westlife don't need streaming points even today so it is still relevant. If they had those numbers of These Days (download & physical sales) Better Man would be no.1 with a very little help of streaming. So still I'm stressing on what I've said before. You need your fans when streaming isn't working. When you said that pre-orders helped TT back then it could help Westlife last week. The song premiered almost 1.5 month before official release date and had big promotion but if Westlife exactly doing these kinda stuff anyone keep saying nah, I listen to that s**t weeks ago, why buying it? you know Jay, the problem is still unsolved. With those numbers of These Days Westlife would be no.1 this week. In some ways I agree with you that because of first release as a trio These Days debuted at no.1 & fans were curious, the same as The Flood or Patience but both comeback single and comeback single (with Rob included) were great tunes. Because of that I keep saying Hello My Love was biggest opportunity wasted and ALSO Simon Cowell tried hard to convince lads to reunite with Brian and I'm sure that would be game changer because this man (with all those mistakes forcing Westlife to releasing covers) is a great businessman and knows the game. I know that it would cause unrest because Nicky, Kian, Shane and Mark don't like Brian to be in Westlife because he both kinda cheated on them with quitting in the middle of the tour and was the source of conflict but he has the charisma that no other member has it and maybe the could forgive him after all. And Jay, believe me I think the main reason behind last releases of Take That became so unsuccessful was the quality of songs. They're not the band that they were used to and lost their identity and releasing music as crap as whatever you could imagine. Out of Our Heads, Giants and ... all the new songs are just desperate attempts to make them seems cool guys but they screwed it up. Btw I watched ACM awards 2019 and I'm a huge country fan. You see the performances, the quality of the songs and say to yourself in what world we're living? Country is the most powerful and strongest genre of music. Looking at the performance by Dan+Shay and Kelly Clarkson and it was insane along with tons of great performances. Westlife should once again doing what they'd done back in early 2000's and going to Nashville and there is every chance to breaking that market like Kelly did and still standing strong. Comparing tracks like 7 rings and Thank You, Next by so called "modern" artists dominating the charts and these great singers who can sings live is just make me upset. Top 40 (now) is for teenagers or in better words for kids between 9 to 15. It is so sad to see so many crap songs are on top and don't moving. Every year is the chance for me to see ACM and CMA awards live and still these live performances makes me wonder.
April 8, 20196 yr That's exactly what it is, the comedy, Charis. Jay, you're chart nerd and that's nice. Wish we have those 61862 sales from downloads and physical sales, that's what I'm saying in all these posts. With that Westlife don't need streaming points even today so it is still relevant. If they had those numbers of These Days (download & physical sales) Better Man would be no.1 with a very little help of streaming. So still I'm stressing on what I've said before. You need your fans when streaming isn't working. When you said that pre-orders helped TT back then it could help Westlife last week. The song premiered almost 1.5 month before official release date and had big promotion but if Westlife exactly doing these kinda stuff anyone keep saying nah, I listen to that s**t weeks ago, why buying it? you know Jay, the problem is still unsolved. With those numbers of These Days Westlife would be no.1 this week. In some ways I agree with you that because of first release as a trio These Days debuted at no.1 & fans were curious, the same as The Flood or Patience but both comeback single and comeback single (with Rob included) were great tunes. Because of that I keep saying Hello My Love was biggest opportunity wasted and ALSO Simon Cowell tried hard to convince lads to reunite with Brian and I'm sure that would be game changer because this man (with all those mistakes forcing Westlife to releasing covers) is a great businessman and knows the game. I know that it would cause unrest because Nicky, Kian, Shane and Mark don't like Brian to be in Westlife because he both kinda cheated on them with quitting in the middle of the tour and was the source of conflict but he has the charisma that no other member has it and maybe the could forgive him after all. And Jay, believe me I think the main reason behind last releases of Take That became so unsuccessful was the quality of songs. They're not the band that they were used to and lost their identity and releasing music as crap as whatever you could imagine. Out of Our Heads, Giants and ... all the new songs are just desperate attempts to make them seems cool guys but they screwed it up. Btw I watched ACM awards 2019 and I'm a huge country fan. You see the performances, the quality of the songs and say to yourself in what world we're living? Country is the most powerful and strongest genre of music. Looking at the performance by Dan+Shay and Kelly Clarkson and it was insane along with tons of great performances. Westlife should once again doing what they'd done back in early 2000's and going to Nashville and there is every chance to breaking that market like Kelly did and still standing strong. Comparing tracks like 7 rings and Thank You, Next by so called "modern" artists dominating the charts and these great singers who can sings live is just make me upset. Top 40 (now) is for teenagers or in better words for kids between 9 to 15. It% Edited April 8, 20196 yr by Charis
April 8, 20196 yr That's exactly what it is, the comedy, Charis. Jay, you're chart nerd and that's nice. Wish we have those 61862 sales from downloads and physical sales, that's what I'm saying in all these posts. With that Westlife don't need streaming points even today so it is still relevant. If they had those numbers of These Days (download & physical sales) Better Man would be no.1 with a very little help of streaming. So still I'm stressing on what I've said before. You need your fans when streaming isn't working. When you said that pre-orders helped TT back then it could help Westlife last week. The song premiered almost 1.5 month before official release date and had big promotion but if Westlife exactly doing these kinda stuff anyone keep saying nah, I listen to that s**t weeks ago, why buying it? you know Jay, the problem is still unsolved. With those numbers of These Days Westlife would be no.1 this week. In some ways I agree with you that because of first release as a trio These Days debuted at no.1 & fans were curious, the same as The Flood or Patience but both comeback single and comeback single (with Rob included) were great tunes. Because of that I keep saying Hello My Love was biggest opportunity wasted and ALSO Simon Cowell tried hard to convince lads to reunite with Brian and I'm sure that would be game changer because this man (with all those mistakes forcing Westlife to releasing covers) is a great businessman and knows the game. I know that it would cause unrest because Nicky, Kian, Shane and Mark don't like Brian to be in Westlife because he both kinda cheated on them with quitting in the middle of the tour and was the source of conflict but he has the charisma that no other member has it and maybe the could forgive him after all. And Jay, believe me I think the main reason behind last releases of Take That became so unsuccessful was the quality of songs. They're not the band that they were used to and lost their identity and releasing music as crap as whatever you could imagine. Out of Our Heads, Giants and ... all the new songs are just desperate attempts to make them seems cool guys but they screwed it up. Btw I watched ACM awards 2019 and I'm a huge country fan. You see the performances, the quality of the songs and say to yourself in what world we're living? Country is the most powerful and strongest genre of music. Looking at the performance by Dan+Shay and Kelly Clarkson and it was insane along with tons of great performances. Westlife should once again doing what they'd done back in early 2000's and going to Nashville and there is every chance to breaking that market like Kelly did and still standing strong. Comparing tracks like 7 rings and Thank You, Next by so called "modern" artists dominating the charts and these great singers who can sings live is just make me upset. Top 40 (now) is for teenagers or in better words for kids between 9 to 15. It is so sad to see so many crap songs are on top and don't moving. Every year is the chance for me to see ACM and CMA awards live and still these live performances makes me wonder. It's not so simple, it's the culture now, even the acts are urging their fans to stream... You can't change the culture of the whole country... To reach the top only with sales, it only happened during xmas week last year, but it was xmas week.. Take that are bigger than Westlife currently in the UK, probably due to the fact they are english, or due to media backing, so even if TT reached the no.1, a top 5 for Westlife, which would be deserved and justified, (no1 in physicals, no2 in sales 2nd highest new entry). That would even give motivation to th
April 8, 20196 yr why you're comparing it to These Days? Thats from the download era not the streaming era, makes no sense
April 8, 20196 yr them and to the fans to try again in the future, or find a stronger song... Now from a chart point of view reaching 'no 26' what's the motivation? to have a stronger song and reach no22 or no17?
April 8, 20196 yr Yep, Bjork is right, the comparison with 5 year old single by another act doesn't make any sense.
April 8, 20196 yr if you wanna compare, Take That had a lead single for Odyssey last year, Out of our heads didn't even make the top 200
April 8, 20196 yr Author Guys you are stressing way to much over Westlife's chart position. We can moan about streaming all we want but that won't change. Its definitely true that if Ed released HML and BM, it would chart a lot better, it is what it is because Ed is still in his peak days. I mean, the songs from Divide all entered in Top 10, that just shows how huge he still is. Westlife are way past their peak and that is a fact. Westlife fans won't buy 60K of their singles, its not how things work now, we simply can't expect of fandom to do that and I mean ANY fandom, things are really not that simple. Brian's comeback wouldn't help either in the long run if that would make the guys feel bad and uneasy. I don't know what the hell Brian even wants, one moment he praises the guys and the next he likes the tweets in which someone mentions Westlife didn't even mention him on Jonathan Ross show - there was no reason to mention him as they didn't talk that much about the history of the band, they haven't even mentioned Nicky auditioned so why would they bring Brian. I think he would just bring a bad energy.
April 8, 20196 yr if you wanna compare, Take That had a lead single for Odyssey last year, Out of our heads didn't even make the top 200 Top 100*
April 8, 20196 yr Top 100* Jay, can you please give us an update for this week's Hello My Love sales?
April 8, 20196 yr I'm so shocked Westlife are still getting such high peaks for their two singles. I don't think many people would have predicted much higher than low top 40 with just one week in the top 40, if it were discussed a year ago. Good on them, I guess!
April 8, 20196 yr Jay, can you please give us an update for this week's Hello My Love sales? 171,717!
April 8, 20196 yr Hello My Love should eventually reach 250,000. From the initial impact on iTunes i thought Better Man might make top 20 for them but for an act like Westlife to get 2 Top 40 hits with one of them staying in the top 40 for 2 months is a good result.
April 8, 20196 yr For Westlife to have two Top30 hits in this era, I would consider that to be an success.
April 8, 20196 yr Guys you are stressing way to much over Westlife's chart position. We can moan about streaming all we want but that won't change. Its definitely true that if Ed released HML and BM, it would chart a lot better, it is what it is because Ed is still in his peak days. I mean, the songs from Divide all entered in Top 10, that just shows how huge he still is. Westlife are way past their peak and that is a fact. Westlife fans won't buy 60K of their singles, its not how things work now, we simply can't expect of fandom to do that and I mean ANY fandom, things are really not that simple. Brian's comeback wouldn't help either in the long run if that would make the guys feel bad and uneasy. I don't know what the hell Brian even wants, one moment he praises the guys and the next he likes the tweets in which someone mentions Westlife didn't even mention him on Jonathan Ross show - there was no reason to mention him as they didn't talk that much about the history of the band, they haven't even mentioned Nicky auditioned so why would they bring Brian. I think he would just bring a bad energy. Brian McFaded = BM = Bitter Man
April 8, 20196 yr #4 iTunes Barbados looks like a friend of Westlife have downloaded it there #1 again on Chinese streaming medias
April 8, 20196 yr Anyway, back on topic - 'Better Man' is #12 in first midweek today, so good start overall! Well, that comment dated well...#72 in first midweek :blink:
April 8, 20196 yr The thing is... singles being purchased is quite a niche area of the music industry these days. Better Man is #1 in the physical chart with 1,247 sales, #3 in the download chart with 7,424, and #2 in the sales chart with 8,671. This week it required just 9,986 sales to be #1 in the download chart & sales chart (Lewis Capaldi). The fact that Westlife have actually managed #13 & #26 peaks in 2019, in a streaming dominated chart, is pretty remarkable and shows that they actually have retained a loyal fan base. There's numerous artists from Westlife's hey day who aren't even managing Top 100 singles chart positions any more. Even modern day acts are considered to be doing well if they manage Top 40. So I really think that Westlife fans should try and consider singles chart peaks in 2019 as being a nice bonus. I can appreciate that it takes some adjustment, given that the singles peaks they achieved in the 90s/00s were consistently #1s or Top 10s. But it's not the 90s/00s any more! It's a fact of life that most people access music via streaming now & it also a fact that Westlife aren't going to command the same streaming audience numbers as modern successful artists do. If you think about it, it's really quite similar to Westlife dominating in the 2000s with physicals, while artists popular in 1980s weren't realistically going to be able to compete with them. It's a generational thing. It's likely that Ariana Grande won't be dominating the charts in 20 years time. By the way, Better Man achieved 678,757 audio streams last week, so it's not like Westlife don't have a fairly large audience streaming it. However, it required 900k streams to be #100 in the streaming chart, and 1.5m for Top 50, 1.7m for Top 40, 2.4m Top 20 & 3.2m Top 10. Lewis Capaldi at #1 achieved over 6m streams. The music industry is generally geared towards the exposure of modern artists, they attain the best playlist exposure & achieve the number of streams required to be getting big hits. To close this essay... Westlife are experiencing a successful comeback & nothing about it is a disaster. Yes, #26 would have been considered as a disaster for them in the 2000s, but it's honestly inconsequential in 2019! Fans should enjoy the new singles, look forward to the tour & album and just appreciate them being together after 8 years away. After all, one day they'll part ways again. Enjoy the moment! I hope we have an official site where we can see the exact sales of every singles charted like in South Korea's Gaon We just have to look on the sales chart, #2 for Better Man and #1 for Hello My Love if only the Thursday sales were included. It is safe to say this is their most successful singles chart wise since 2009 and this 2010s decade compared to Safe and Lighthouse. The thing is they have nothing to prove in the UK Charts anymore, they have many records there which are still not broken up to this day. What they have before, what they have right now and what they will achieve will just be foundation for their next career move and the record label's future decisions maybe for streaming purposes, album sales or a future bigger promotion to US Japan or even the Chinese market I can still see comments that this is the first time they hear about them and their comeback so I hope more singles will be released before the album release because that's the only way to go in this streaming era imo. Edited April 8, 20196 yr by myxxd
April 8, 20196 yr Well, that comment dated well...#72 in first midweek :blink: Wasn’t expecting the drop to be that drastic especially as streaming is usually missing from the first few updates?! Could easily end up at the bottom end of the chart come Friday.
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