Let’s just hope the casting is more inspired than a token black man and woman representing diversity.

Not Nicole GENUINELY thinking Cody should've thrown the final competition for her benefit. Seeing Nicole eliminated in 3rd in tears like that has made watching this final actually worthwhile :wub:

BB16 producing 3 winners is interesting. That was a good season, minus a horrible twist and some really poor casting decisions (Frankie)

Da'Vonne winning AFP, the true winner :wub:

Although we have all seen the ads for casting, Julie officially confirmed via Instagram that there will be a Season 23.

it doesn't deserve it but okay

So happy for Da'Vonne! Something good can finally come out of this season, she was pretty much the only one actually trying to turn the tide and play her own game once Janelle and Kaysar went. And so timely with what's gone on this year, such a strong role model and I'm so glad we came through for her. I was spectical pre season about her playing again but she proved her worth for sure.

 

Cody winning, wbk, he was the most deserving. I feel like whoever won there'd be an asterix by their name forever, yes he did control the game and avoided the block the whole time, that deserves praise, but the fact he only did that due to pre-gaming is somehting that sullies it. Second winner after Dan to play a perfect game, no eviction votes against him and all the votes to win!

Congrats to the big winner last night - Da'Vonne for winning AFP! :wub: I really hope this isn't the last we see of Da'Vonne (either on The Challenge or BB somehow, or some other format).

I'm still surprised Tyler managed to come second in that vote, I've never been a huge Tyler fan but he came across as very skittish this year. He made a ton of mistakes, but the pool of people this year was poor, I'd put him above many others, but not #2 for a fan vote, that's for sure.

 

Oh, yeah, I guess Cody won too :lol:

He played a near perfect game and he articulated that well in his speech. He swept the votes and deserved it. He seems like a nice sweet guy, but I'm done with the Calafiore Family now and would like for both him and Paulie to officially retire from any form of Reality TV moving forward.

Cody cutting Nicole was interesting, I also loved the fact that secretly they would have been embarrassed to lose to Enzo.

 

There was a glimmer for a bit that I thought Enzo could have gotten a vote or two, but he completely ended up embarrassing himself towards the end. I'm still waiting for that 'Big Move' that Enzo was promising. He actually had a few opportunities to really make a name for himself in there and he failed at every opportunity.

 

Regarding everyone else, I stopped following this on Twitter just because it became too depressing, I stuck to what was shown on TV and still was completely underwhelmed.

 

It was great to see Keesha again, I never thought I'd see her again, shame she didn't do any better than being first out. Nicole A has me blocked on Twitter so that's all I'll say there. Casting really f***ed over Janelle and Kaysar this year. Outside of BB6 the furthest back they wanted to go was BB8 and give us Dani that wasn't ever going to work with them? I think the initial rumoured cast would have benefitted Janelle and Kaysar well, people like Dan/Hayden and Derrick who have won likely would have wanted to work with Janelle and Kaysar (I'm hoping!). I really hope that some point in the distant future we get an Old-School season. That would be amazing.

Bayleigh I need to continue to be a boss. I didn't like her in her previous season, but come to have loved her on The Challenge and she did okay this season, a few mistakes, but she's learning. Ian like Cody had mentioned last night would have killed the last end of this game, it's such a shame he didn't have a few more people in his corner to keep him safe that week, because I think he could have been the one to fracture this dominating alliance (probably not, but one can hope). Let's be honest, Kevin and David were dragged as far along as the majority alliance wanted them to be dragged along, Kevin did okay by winning a few things and David seems like a great guy but neither were All-Stars material. Dani I will always like but you could tell she was getting bored sitting in this majority alliance and got caught 'Planting Seeds', she needs to realize that Big Brother is a marathon and not a sprint. I'd love to see Dani play again, but this needs to be a slap in the face for her on how to really play this game - she has the makings to be one of the best BB players of all time, but her mistakes seem to be really big.

Memphis I was probably the most excited for - hot daddie. But it turns out he's actually a POS. Such a shame.

Christmas I didn't like her first season and definitely didn't like her this go around.

Nicole F did the best she could under the circumstances. For as UTR her gameplay was, I had faith she would be able to articulate her game well at the end, I don't think now she would have beat Cody. I also don't think she would have swept Enzo either, but being a previous Winner and playing loosely the same way was a risk and it paid off, perhaps her only downfall was losing that last HOH. I wonder if she would have taken Cody if she won - it sounds like she would have. Could have been another tick for her, taking a strong player like Cody to the F2.

 

It's interesting with Big Brother. You either get a terrible season with a great winner, or a great season with a terrible winner.

The format can stay the same but casting needs to improve, and I think CBS has shown us recently that they can cast very well. I do however think it's time to shorten the season and deliver 2X a year rather than one. If we get stuck with a boring season, we aren't wasting the next 10 weeks watching someone like a Cody or a Derrick win easily. It's also time to ramp up the in-game twists to upset the balance of power. What exactly that is, I don't know - but it needs to be something consistent that will really shake things up.

 

Speaking on this season a bit more holistically, there were two main sources of disappointment I had. But I had this disappointment as a viewer of Big Brother, not necessarily in appreciation of gameplay or even how I would play the game. Let's be honest, if we were in Cody's shoes and had the ability to really control the game and win $500K I'm sure we would all do it.. but it doesn't mean that we can't all still be disappointed with the events that took us there.

 

Realistically we came close to not having a season at all this year, but because of the Pandemic we got an All-Stars season I really don't think we would have gotten for quite a long time. I've never really heard of CBS having the appetite to do another All-Stars season. Obviously when it was announced we were all excited and I was almost kind of hoping that during the game, that some of the stronger players would take a look at the casting decisions like Janelle, Kaysar and Ian and recognize that HEY - America probably wants these people to do well. I was surprised that more people didn't want to work with them. They are true BB Legends. They must have known we wanted to see Janelle at least make Jury this time. So this was a real sore spot for me, but again - I need to appreciate the fact that these people have a game to win. I just wish they would have found a way to give us Viewers what we wanted.

 

The point where I really started getting disappointed with this game was Christmas' HOH.

America is in the middle of some very serious shit and nominating 2 Female Black Houseguests while they are literally taking every opportunity that they have to discuss the BLM movement was disgusting on Christmas' part. Did she not think to take herself outside of the game for even a second and understand the value that both Bayleigh and Da'Vonne were bringing to the viewers? Ultimately I think the problem that I have is the people with substance that really used this as a platform to discuss very serious social issues (Kaysar, Ian, Bayleigh, Da'Vonne) were all targets so early in the game and I knew we were going to be left with people with no substance, no opinions and very little drive to shift the needle. I truly believe that K, B and D were there to use this as a platform for change, regardless of whether or not they won and no matter how big or small their impact could be.

Christmas just wanted the $$ and wanted to make sure those around her were good. No regard for anything other than how it benefited her - again, I can't blame her, she's there to play a game. But as a viewer I'm still disappointed.

Edited October 29, 20204 yr by Aaron.

Finally, did anyone pay any attention to the Pre-season Casting decisions?

I'll be complely honest, I avoided spoilers until the Launch Show, but did read some interesting information. I'm not sure if any of it is true, but what have y'all heard?

 

I heard 25 individuals were shortlisted and quarentined.

Of the 25 it included Josh and Kaycee who ended up testing positive for COVID before going in. This would have been interesting because they have both been on The Challenge and on seasons with Bayleigh. Da'vonne has also done a few seasons. This also provides ties to Nicole (Victor did a challenge with Da'vonne I think) and Cody because Paulie had done a few seasons as well.

 

Another rumour I heard was again that Dan/Derrick and Hayden were all cut for making pre-season alliances, including one with Nicole F. Nicole took this to the Producers and Dan/Derrick/Hayden were all cut.

 

Enzo and Keesha weren't supposed to be on the main show, but we're alternates. Interestingly, Kevin was not an alternate, they wanted him in the main cast.

Edited October 29, 20204 yr by Aaron.

The casting is interesting, to be honest I think it's to blame as much as the state of what the game has become for this season. Too many of them were happy to just go along with a majority, do things for the good of the alliance, and that's as much to blame for Cody controlling the whole game. People like Memphis and Enzo who would never make a big move and rock the boat, people like Kevin and to an extent David, who would just float and flimsily be on whichever side they thought was right at the time. The casting really is what makes or breaks a season and whilst I get they were up against it and couldn't get first options, this transpired to be a meh cast for what was so highly anticipated as a second AS season. It would have been interesting to see how Kaycee or Josh fit in, Kaycee and Tyler as a duo could maybe have ran the game like Cody did. Josh could have gone either way, but those two are strong competitors as winners and I'd have liked to have seen them both play. I'm not sure a lot would have changed, but if you had maybe Kaycee instead of Christmas, I think her or Tyler would have put up more of a fight for the win against Cody than Nicole, Enzo and the others did.

 

Christmas was an alternate I think and casting her was, and I'll go and say it, possibly the biggest mistake they made. I don't think it's one you could have called on paper, but she was just reprehensible and odious this season. I agree about her HOH reign, really left a bad taste in the mouth even moreso than all the disappointment, endless lost hope and predictable moves we had all season. It's not like it was a stunning game move of power, it was just "let's take out the two strong black women", they weren't even threats to her game (which was non-existent anyway other than "serve Cody").

 

Speaking on this season a bit more holistically, there were two main sources of disappointment I had. But I had this disappointment as a viewer of Big Brother, not necessarily in appreciation of gameplay or even how I would play the game. Let's be honest, if we were in Cody's shoes and had the ability to really control the game and win $500K I'm sure we would all do it.. but it doesn't mean that we can't all still be disappointed with the events that took us there.

Very good point, I don't hate Cody (he made some :/ insensitive comments, but I don't think he's a bad guy, certainly not in the grand scheme of things in a season with Christmas and Memphis, plus Nicole tbh), although I didn't respect him for the company he kept and the stuff he enabled by supporting them and carrying through the game, but I hate what the game has become. The fact that we had such a steamroll from a pre-gamed alliance just seems so anti Big Brother, it sucked all the excitement, joy and thrill from the format:( Of course, if the win was handed to you, you'd do it, and I can't blame him for it really, but it really is anti-climactic and so dull. As a viewer, when you know how people CAN play the game, it's shit watching stuff like this unfold and it's hard to be impressed by it or happy about it. You could have called Cody winning in like week 2, and in a season with winners returning and players like Janelle and Tyler back, there should have been way more twists and turns and power tussles.

 

To his credit, him cutting Nicole was about the only exciting surprise moment of the season other than Da'vonne's veto when she finally won her first comp, which was about the most we could hope for this season :lol:

 

Cody was the best out of the thrre...but kinda ironic that this was planned from a pre-game alliance by Derrick....so isn't this again him doong derricks work even tho derrick didnt get in the season?

Interesting that Christmas was an alternate, Liam. Infact 2 out of the final 4 were alternates.. eek. I did not like Christmas her first season, but I kind of wrote her off when she broke her foot, but my friend was a huge supporter (initially), she really had to rely on her Social Game her first go around which was uncomfortable for her, she was definitely geared towards relying on her physical ability to get her by. I really started tuning out this season when she won HOH - but I'm assuming she was strong-armed into putting up Da/Bay, correct?

It was a horrible decision for her game, I think Day/Bay would have been loyal to her. There were so many others she could have cut.

 

Yes, I also agree Liam. The Pre-Season Alliances really ruined this season. It really appeared that the Launch was rushed, I think there were obviously a few last minute casting decisions that unfortunately killed this season.

 

But yes, this was Big Brother paint-by-numbers. We've seen exactly how a season like this would play out a few times already. The best disruptive move was the week David used his power and Day used her veto to save Kevin. It didn't really get anyone any further however. So yes, unfortunately the best strategic move made was on Day 85, 45 minutes before the end when Cody cut Nicole :lol:

Not Nicole GENUINELY thinking Cody should've thrown the final competition for her benefit. Seeing Nicole eliminated in 3rd in tears like that has made watching this final actually worthwhile :wub:

lmao the entitlement jumped out!

 

honestly, a strangely satisfying finale to an otherwise terrible season. having Cody cut Nicole was a genuine surprise and incredible to see the absolute shock on her face and almost turning into a bitter juror! She is one of the most entitled players to ever set foot in the house.

 

Da’vonne winning AFP caused such a HUGE smile on my face, so so so happy for her, really well deserved after she ensured she wasn’t there just for the game. even if she did play the worst game of her three seasons

 

I take back what I said yesterday about Enzo’s game because obviously it looked better than what his plans actually were. omg his answers and speech was possibly the worst I’ve ever seen! Why would you say you never had a target!!! If he hadn’t lost before that moment, he certainly had by then.

 

Cody was the best winner out of a bad bunch. He definitely improved substantially from his previous season by actually taking control of his game. It’s just annoying that he was so obviously the biggest target in the house but I guess that’s what makes all the more impressive. It’s also annoying cos it’s sort of a Derrick by default and he’s ego is huge anyway.

 

Even with Janelle/Kaysar leaving too early, the tipping point was definitely Christmas’ HOH. That was the pivotal moment that set the course for the rest of the game and there was just no need, after everything this year represented, to put the two black woman on the block just because they dared to work together. There were a million and one other alliances there to choose from. It was also devastating that she only won because Da’vonne answered it wrong. Christmas is one of the worst to ever set foot in the game, it’s certainly no coincidence that she’s in the two worst seasons.

 

Re potential players, I can’t find it now but I think Josh said he pre-gamed with Tyler, Christmas and Da’vonne. But considering Da’vonne never went near Tyler and Christmas (who had the final 2), I’m not sure how accurate that can be :lol:

 

Honestly, we just need a diverse cast next time round. I’m not sure they’ll be a season again without a dominating alliance though as it’s proven to work too many times now, and it’ll be these seasons the recruits will watch in sequester. Bring on BBCan instead. Although in the meantime I WILL make sure to watch BB6!!

Just catching up on Twitter and oops Da’vonne isn’t friends with Kevin or David anymore. lmao why does she keep losing her best friend in the jury house. First Zakiyah now Kevin! Maybe it’s a good thing Bayleigh left pre-jury :kink:

I can't add much to what everyone else has said! I really missed seeing the strategic part of the game this season, there was so little of it to see since one alliance had power the whole game and the season was too predictable to fully invest in. I think BBCAN's casting plans for next year will be a big improvement on the game and can only hope BBUS will follow suit, if anything their casting needs fixed more than BBCAN's. Also, I agree that more substantial twists are needed. If the houseguests aren't going to shake up the game, production can certainly do it, although I'd prefer something like Survivor where we get twists/advantages AND blindsides. To be fair, I liked the Safety Suite and BB Basement comps, they just didn't have as much effect on the game as one would hope.

 

I can't believe Enzo didn't even attempt to prepare a final 2 speech I agree that he could've sold his game well enough to at least get a couple votes.

Interesting that Christmas was an alternate, Liam. Infact 2 out of the final 4 were alternates.. eek. I did not like Christmas her first season, but I kind of wrote her off when she broke her foot, but my friend was a huge supporter (initially), she really had to rely on her Social Game her first go around which was uncomfortable for her, she was definitely geared towards relying on her physical ability to get her by. I really started tuning out this season when she won HOH - but I'm assuming she was strong-armed into putting up Da/Bay, correct?

It was a horrible decision for her game, I think Day/Bay would have been loyal to her. There were so many others she could have cut.

Nope I'm pretty sure she was set on it all along, I think she may have maybe touted Dani as a possibility but never seriously considered her as a target. I expect she'd have put her up if Day or Bay came off but that's about it.

As someone who only watches the episodes and the odd clip on Twitter, what were the most vile moments of this season? I already saw some horrible Nicole F clips but what about Memphis and Dani etc?

eek Nicole’s unfollowed Dani & Cody on Insta, she’s piiiiissed. Honestly she’s one of the most entitled players ever

 

oh and DERRICK omg

 

As someone who only watches the episodes and the odd clip on Twitter, what were the most vile moments of this season? I already saw some horrible Nicole F clips but what about Memphis and Dani etc?

I think there were a few moments they made fun of Ian behind his back and some microagressions against Day/Bay/David e.g. Christmas of all people saying she would need protection or something when she nominated Day/Bay. I don’t think there was anything as explicit as some previous seasons but this is someone just following on Twitter so I can’t say for certain.

Seems like most of the drama is happening AFTER the season has ended :lol:

Nicole has unfollowed Cody and Dani, but also others from previous seasons like Andy, Haleigh, Britney and even Derrick.

Thanks Klaus. Omg why is Nicole so pissssed with everyone?? :o

 

Fwiw I'm glad Cody won. Even though the jury's verdict was as predictable and unexciting as the vast majority of the season, I do think Cody deserved the win more than anyone else. As much as I despise the pre-game scheming, Cody still didn't put a foot wrong in the game (at least not a noticeable one) and was never targeted by anyone besides Jaysar who never got the chance to properly target him. I could foresee Cody winning even back on launch night so it's embarrassing for the other HG's that no one even thought to target him. He played a very solid game and was great at the competitions back in BB16 so it's odd to think only Jaysar had him in their sights.

 

I hope either next year or in a couple of years the show can redeem itself with a GOOD All-Stars season. There are so many amazing players and personalities who are yet to be given a second chance to play the game and if the producers picked All Stars who aren't acquainted with each other on the outside that would be welcome! I wonder with the way the pandemic is now, will BBCAN follow suit and have an All-Stars season? :thinking: