:lol: I seriously doubt BMG is doing much about it at all... It never got playlisted last year which was a shame, and I seriously doubt it will this year too...

 

Emma's streaming numbers just arent good enough. She has 200,000 regular listeners which is so bad for a recording artist of her stature. Like, I get it she is no Kylie, but maybe if she had done a different song that someone like Kylie wasnt so popular with, maybe it would have picked up much more... Plus, she sounds awful in it. I know she plays the whole sweet innocent Baby Spice in these records, but it's a bit toooooo much like a baby, imo...

 

I could image her doing a version of Oh Santa or the I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday. That would be at least a bit more fun.

 

ANYWAY!

 

 

I don't like either her version of Santa Baby or Coming home for Christmas, however I did like a lot of her covers during her Royal Albert Hall concert and did wonder why she decided on Santa Baby when Kylie clearly has the monopoly on the modern version of that song. Winter Wonderland sounded lovely by her and there are no popular modern takes on it, maybe that could have been picked up more as a well known song but not fighting against the likes of Kylie or Michael Buble (as I also adored her version of Santa Clause is coming to town).

There is always next Christmas for that Bunton xmas album

There is always next Christmas for that Bunton xmas album

 

 

I'd actually totally be here for that. I think she has the perfect voice for a lot of Christmas songs really sweet and melodic. She should do a Phil Spector style Christmas album with the old classics that would really suit her and hark back to her Free Me / Life in Mono 60's style. Couple it with another show at the Royal Alert Hall I'll be eating it out of the palm of her hands :wub: 'My Happy Christmas' :wub:

I'd actually totally be here for that. I think she has the perfect voice for a lot of Christmas songs really sweet and melodic. She should do a Phil Spector style Christmas album with the old classics that would really suit her and hark back to her Free Me / Life in Mono 60's style. Couple it with another show at the Royal Alert Hall I'll be eating it out of the palm of her hands :wub: 'My Happy Christmas' :wub:

 

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the plan if My Happy Place had been more successful - re-release with a second cd of Christmas songs. It wouldn't surprise me if Coming Home For Christmas and Santa Baby were left-overs from that idea.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the plan if My Happy Place had been more successful - re-release with a second cd of Christmas songs. It wouldn't surprise me if Coming Home For Christmas and Santa Baby were left-overs from that idea.

 

They weren't and it wasn't. They were rush cheap records so she would have something out to coincide with her Royal Albert Hall gig.

 

Theyou were the only 2 Christmas songs she recorded.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the plan if My Happy Place had been more successful - re-release with a second cd of Christmas songs. It wouldn't surprise me if Coming Home For Christmas and Santa Baby were left-overs from that idea.

 

She said she recorded CHFC and SB in the summer 2019 for this release only.

I don't like either her version of Santa Baby or Coming home for Christmas, however I did like a lot of her covers during her Royal Albert Hall concert and did wonder why she decided on Santa Baby when Kylie clearly has the monopoly on the modern version of that song. Winter Wonderland sounded lovely by her and there are no popular modern takes on it, maybe that could have been picked up more as a well known song but not fighting against the likes of Kylie or Michael Buble (as I also adored her version of Santa Clause is coming to town).

 

This. Santa Baby was clearly her attempting to cash in on the whole 'Im Baby Spice so I will record this song with Baby in the title' which by now is a bit too tired a concept after she played with it a bit too on Baby Please Dont Stop and Dont Call Me Baby :blink:

 

It is a bit lame she recorded that one when there are so many other songs out there she could have done a nice take on.

There is always next Christmas for that Bunton xmas album

 

NO :angry:

 

We deserve good things, not more pish covers.

Edited December 5, 20204 yr by Mr.X

OK Santa Baby was on 120k streams last week and is now on almot 200k, so it definitely got playlisted as its the biggest jump so far...

 

But I cant find the playlist it is on...

OK Santa Baby was on 120k streams last week and is now on almot 200k, so it definitely got playlisted as its the biggest jump so far...

 

But I cant find the playlist it is on...

It's Cozy Christmas Pop. ;)

OK Santa Baby was on 120k streams last week and is now on almot 200k, so it definitely got playlisted as its the biggest jump so far...

 

But I cant find the playlist it is on...

 

 

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1...iQlaZwx07mFiENQ

 

The more likes it getseems the more prominent and promoted the playlist will become on Spotify.

 

Those 2 Christmas songs will end up being nice little sellers for Emma in a few years.

Since yesterday each song has increased ever so slightly on Spotify

 

Santa Baby - 2,247 (Track crossed the 200k mark)

Coming Home For Christmas - 301

Edited December 8, 20204 yr by Spice Girls Net

Those 2 Christmas songs will end up being nice little sellers for Emma in a few years.

 

 

Since yesterday each song has increased ever so slightly on Spotify

 

Santa Baby - 2,247 (Track crossed the 200k mark)

Coming Home For Christmas - 301

 

:cry:

 

Unfortunately, I dont think it will do much without playlist and radio support, which I asume is having close to none. That playlist has only like 7000 likes in it, so it will hardly generate any sufficient streams.

 

Last night, I was reading this article on how writers of music are getting paid really badly for streams and thought of this. Like, some writers on Kylie's latest #1 album Disco got paid just £200 as the streams income is so poor, and that is a dire indication of where things are at...

 

Emma most probably didnt get any money from this release, I just hope that BMG have some plans for her in the future.

 

Here's the article: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55232418

 

 

Unfortunately, I dont think it will do much without playlist and radio support, which I asume is having close to none. That playlist has only like 7000 likes in it, so it will hardly generate any sufficient streams.

 

Last night, I was reading this article on how writers of music are getting paid really badly for streams and thought of this. Like, some writers on Kylie's latest #1 album Disco got paid just £200 as the streams income is so poor, and that is a dire indication of where things are at...

 

Sadly, that has been the case since the physical started dying out and just accelerated once when streaming happened. I know when streaming started killing other formats in Sweden, singer/songwriters (Per Gessle among others) were in uproar because of the poor pay they got for streams. But you can't really stop evolution - try to convince a 15 year old that they're going to have to waste space on an *.AAC-file.

:cry:

 

Unfortunately, I dont think it will do much without playlist and radio support, which I asume is having close to none. That playlist has only like 7000 likes in it, so it will hardly generate any sufficient streams.

 

Last night, I was reading this article on how writers of music are getting paid really badly for streams and thought of this. Like, some writers on Kylie's latest #1 album Disco got paid just £200 as the streams income is so poor, and that is a dire indication of where things are at...

 

Emma most probably didnt get any money from this release, I just hope that BMG have some plans for her in the future.

 

Here's the article: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55232418

 

I'll have a read when I get chance but she must have signed an awful deal to only get £200. Streams or not Kylie did over 50k physicals and downloads first week in the UK alone. A lot of those expensive vinyls.

 

A lot of money is still being earned from Kylie's music (BMG have put out 3 albums from her in pretty quick succession) so if that song writer is getting so little it is more that the profits are going elsewhere.

Edited December 10, 20204 yr by sammy01

I'll have a read when I get chance but she must have signed an awful deal to only get £200. Streams or not Kylie did over 50k physicals and downloads first week in the UK alone. A lot of those expensive vinyls.

 

A lot of money is still being earned from Kylie's music (BMG have put out 3 albums from her in pretty quick succession) so if that song writer is getting so little it is more that the profits are going elsewhere.

 

I was just giving an example cos the article expands on it. The £200 come from streams only, from what I understand. But it does remind me of how bad contracts are across the arts sector, to be honest.

 

And yes, streaming is the future and the present already BUT it shouldnt mean that people shouldnt be paid properly for them. New ways of payment need to be changed, as at the moment only top selling artists get any money from making music and that is not ok...

I'll have a read when I get chance but she must have signed an awful deal to only get £200. Streams or not Kylie did over 50k physicals and downloads first week in the UK alone. A lot of those expensive vinyls.

 

A lot of money is still being earned from Kylie's music (BMG have put out 3 albums from her in pretty quick succession) so if that song writer is getting so little it is more that the profits are going elsewhere.

 

 

The article is saying that record labels are keeping the majority of profits from streaming sales and not distributing it amongst songwriters and singers. I also question how many people were co-writing on that song as sometimes there are like 10 co-writers and having 1 song on an album with that many co-writers on it you're going to get even less.

 

The article is saying that record labels are keeping the majority of profits from streaming sales and not distributing it amongst songwriters and singers. I also question how many people were co-writing on that song as sometimes there are like 10 co-writers and having 1 song on an album with that many co-writers on it you're going to get even less.

 

Not to mention if it is 1 album track it's hardly going to be pulling in big streaming numbers especially on a Kylie album.

The article is saying that record labels are keeping the majority of profits from streaming sales and not distributing it amongst songwriters and singers. I also question how many people were co-writing on that song as sometimes there are like 10 co-writers and having 1 song on an album with that many co-writers on it you're going to get even less.

 

There are NDAs between record companies and streaming services, meaning that neither do the artists know nor do we know how much streaming equals income. But it seems to me that yet again the artists involved (not just the lead artists but all creatives) are being shat on.

 

Streaming equalled a massive loss of income but it doesnt really have to be that way and streaming services as well rich so they could afford to pay better to the artists involved. Also, most lead artists (not writers or producers) on record labels now are on 360-deals, meaning that they get a salary with some extra stuff and nothing else, whilst record labels keep all the profits from everything including touring and sponsorships. It's not like before when artists would get huge lump sums of money in advance and then get would also get part of the profits - or if it is, it is much more reduced than it used to be.

 

The industry really needs to change, specially in a post-COVID world where most artists ability to make ends meet has been drastically reduced.

 

ANYWAY the point that I was making is that these two songs will never be nice little earners for Emma, when they flopped and are not really taken up on streaming at all...

I never said earners I said sellers, they will get a nice boost every year and every year Emma will promote them on social media like she has done this year.