Lol

 

I didn't think the guardian was as biased until I seen how they treated Corbyn! Now I read the morning star 😉

 

You're joking...right?

Lol

 

I didn't think the guardian was as biased until I seen how they treated Corbyn! Now I read the morning star 😉

 

Canary is also a better, less biased, less neolib option too.

 

I really don´t like the notion that it doesn´t matter who Labour choose as there is no way they are going to win the next GE.

 

Maybe not, but it absolutely DOES matter. They need to lay the groundwork NOW, at start winning back peoples trust.

 

The tories are going to lead opinion polls comfortably for a while I would say, especially with being seen as "getting Brexit done" during 2020, but Labour need to start putting in the grind now.

 

The more progress they can make in 2024 the less of an uphill battle they will have in 2029. Of course I would love to see them do it in 5 years, and I hope they win back as many seats as possible, but I´m just being realistic.

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You're joking...right?

 

:lol: Yeh!

The tories are going to lead opinion polls comfortably for a while I would say, especially with being seen as "getting Brexit done" during 2020, but Labour need to start putting in the grind now.

 

The more progress they can make in 2024 the less of an uphill battle they will have in 2029. Of course I would love to see them do it in 5 years, and I hope they win back as many seats as possible, but I´m just being realistic.

 

 

 

Yes they have to win some seats back next time to have any hope in 2028/9.

 

Think people mean that if the next leader loses in 2023/4 then he or she will resign unless they won quite a few seats back and did like Kinnock and stayed on.

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Kinnock didn't gain much ground in 87 I don't think?

Kinnock didn't gain much ground in 87 I don't think?

The Tory majority was reduced from about 140 to about 100. So, not a lot of progress.

Yeh still a landslide. Where'd labour make banks back? Did they lose the red wall to thatcher or was it s more southern middle England voted then?

Yeh still a landslide. Where'd labour make banks back? Did they lose the red wall to thatcher or was it s more southern middle England voted then?

Labour still had most of Scotland then. The Tories won a lot of seats where Labour and the Lib Dems (or the Alliance as they were then) both polled well.

Where were those seats based?

 

The Scottish seats were at most 40 seats? That's why JCs seat total was down on Foot because Scotland is controlled by the snp whereas Foot could fall back on them.

The Tories had a lot more London seats than they have now.

Things have changed quite a bit then in a generation!

Things have changed quite a bit then in a generation!

Indeed. While some of the seats the Tories won this time were extraordinary, it is equally surprising that a Labour parliamentary party of just 203 would include members from Hove, Bedford, Canterbury and Enfield Southgate.

Yes Catebury staying red was a great result. And as I said if you added 25-35 Scottish seats that would have been guaranteed in their worst modern result in 1983 Corbyn was on course to be similar to Foot/Brown/Miliband so the base is still there for a comeback.

 

That's the problem though even with a downturn from Brexit labour still need the media/leader to be right to win a majority but it's still good to see the tories with a lot in their favour only just managed to convince the people nearly 30 years after their last majority.

Indeed. While some of the seats the Tories won this time were extraordinary, it is equally surprising that a Labour parliamentary party of just 203 would include members from Hove, Bedford, Canterbury and Enfield Southgate.

 

True!

 

Yes Catebury staying red was a great result. And as I said if you added 25-35 Scottish seats that would have been guaranteed in their worst modern result in 1983 Corbyn was on course to be similar to Foot/Brown/Miliband so the base is still there for a comeback.

 

That's the problem though even with a downturn from Brexit labour still need the media/leader to be right to win a majority but it's still good to see the tories with a lot in their favour only just managed to convince the people nearly 30 years after their last majority.

 

I think an 80 majority is a bit more than 'only just'. :mellow:

Yeh but they've been trying to convince them for over 10 years now and have only just won a decent majority in 2019 even with PR smooth boy Cameron as leader.

Keir Starmer's #AnotherFutureIsPossible is the most inspiring tag line I've seen from this contest so far.

 

Talk of Lammy, and while I don't think that it's a good idea for the same reasons as Thornberry (most potential voters are already on side and unlikely to desert Labour unless they start making Blue Labour the centre of the party), I have to question the sort of sneering in comments like this thread. The election victory seems to have emboldened all sorts of racists to come out of the woodwork.

Keir Starmer's #AnotherFutureIsPossible is the most inspiring tag line I've seen from this contest so far.

 

Talk of Lammy, and while I don't think that it's a good idea for the same reasons as Thornberry (most potential voters are already on side and unlikely to desert Labour unless they start making Blue Labour the centre of the party), I have to question the sort of sneering in comments like this thread. The election victory seems to have emboldened all sorts of racists to come out of the woodwork.

 

What sorts do you mean, exactly?

What sorts do you mean, exactly?

 

The precise taxonomy of racists is not really a relevant rabbithole I want a thread about the next Labour leader to go down, see this relevant comment in another thread I made for the wider issue since the election:

 

Only slightly related, I've seen #OwenJonesIsAw*n**r and #Stormzyisabellend trending in recent days. Awful people ready to engage in bullying are feeling quite emboldened on Twitter lately.

 

However with regards to Lammy, that is on topic, it's basically more of the Abbott thing. BAME public figure comes in for far more public ridicule than a white public figure with the same views. "Reasonable people" start saying that it's entirely deserved because of their views while painting over the issue and pretending that systemic racism doesn't exist.

 

For what it's worth he's a reasonable outspoken politician and engaging in systemic racism doesn't make you a bad person, as long as you accept that that's what's going on and seek to correct yourself in the future.

Rebecca Long Bailey has written an article in The Guardian setting out her stall for being the new leader of the Labour Party. Which in all honesty...I actually think comes across as quite reasonable to me. It doesn't stick to the Labour narrative that they lost because of Brexit, acknowledges the communities they need to win back in order to take power, and evokes an interesting phrase that could be key if Labour wants to win over more traditional-minded supporters - "progressive patriotism". And interestingly, Jeremy Corbyn is not mentioned once.

 

I still don't think that she'll be the new leader, for one reason that will be highlighted by her rivals as the campaign starts. Actually, for three reasons. Actually, for one reason and three reasons at the same time.