Andy Burnham is Labour's best opportunity for rehabiliation, he's made subtle comments about being Party leader.

 

If parties want to defeat what the Tories are doing to this country, exactly as I predicted they would during Brexit voting (and got into heated arguments about it), then they have to work together and swallow their arrogance. Otherwise same result as last time and they will again get what they deserve.

 

I always vote tactically. My opinion is any party (that isn't bordering on the insane) is better than Tories, and the ultra-right-wing Tories (currently engaged in paying back reasonable C4 commentary on their behaviour by selling it off) are worse than any alternative.

 

Tories I know are utterly blinkered and removed from reality. Cummings was a hero now he's "a devil and they never really liked him anyway they were just cheering him on and Boris never lies about anything it's just sour grapes from lefties" or else they just get annoyed with you for bringing it up that their opinion on Cummings was wrong and others were right - the whole House Of Cards is in danger if they admit anything at all, as it's all based on lies and bullshit. As a party they have become as lost to reason as the Republicans have. Once you start trying to justify the unjustifiable and engage in trying to call provable facts lies, then you are now an extremist.

Andy Burnham is Labour's best opportunity for rehabiliation, he's made subtle comments about being Party leader.

 

If parties want to defeat what the Tories are doing to this country, exactly as I predicted they would during Brexit voting (and got into heated arguments about it), then they have to work together and swallow their arrogance. Otherwise same result as last time and they will again get what they deserve.

 

I always vote tactically. My opinion is any party (that isn't bordering on the insane) is better than Tories, and the ultra-right-wing Tories (currently engaged in paying back reasonable C4 commentary on their behaviour by selling it off) are worse than any alternative.

 

Tories I know are utterly blinkered and removed from reality. Cummings was a hero now he's "a devil and they never really liked him anyway they were just cheering him on and Boris never lies about anything it's just sour grapes from lefties" or else they just get annoyed with you for bringing it up that their opinion on Cummings was wrong and others were right - the whole House Of Cards is in danger if they admit anything at all, as it's all based on lies and bullshit. As a party they have become as lost to reason as the Republicans have. Once you start trying to justify the unjustifiable and engage in trying to call provable facts lies, then you are now an extremist.

Just ask them what sort of numpty appoints the devil to a senior government position.

Just ask them what sort of numpty appoints the devil to a senior government position.

 

that sounds like the start of another heated discussion, logic and toys being thrown out the pram and whining about me always criticising their opinion, followed by me explaining I'm not criticising them holding an opinion and expressing it, I'm using facts to justify mine... etc :lol: People hate being reminded of stuff. I think you know who I'm largely talking about oops! :D

Johnson having a right go at the Liberals today regarding planning at PMQs!

 

Says the man who would 'lie (down) in front of the bulldozers' to stop Heathrow expansion, and then leaves the country before the crucial vote instead of resigning his seat like Zac (incredibly Islamaphobic mayoral campaign) Goldsmith did.

 

Boris is all bark and no trousers.

Says the man who would 'lie (down) in front of the bulldozers' to stop Heathrow expansion, and then leaves the country before the crucial vote instead of resigning his seat like Zac (incredibly Islamaphobic mayoral campaign) Goldsmith did.

 

Boris is all bark and no trousers.

Also at PMQs, he ended his reply to Keir Starmer's question about the scandalously low conviction rate for rape with a "joke". He didn't even have the wit to decide that a scripted "joke" about Covid vaccinations might be seen as in rather poor taste in the context. Of course, this is also the man who had a go at a Labour MP for raising the subject of the murder of her friend Jo Cox. Labour should be reminding the people of Batley and Spen of this over the next week.

The North East outside of the city centers seems to believe that Johnson and this new brand of Tories walks on water. I'm expecting a very big defeat for Labour - they don't help matters much either.

I'm still going to predict Batley & Spen as a win for Labour. Even though I've been reading stories all week about George Galloway pulling away support from potential Labour supporters all week (and I think he will finish in a better-than-expected 3rd place), I think that there will be enough support to get Labour over the line.

I'm still going to predict Batley & Spen as a win for Labour. Even though I've been reading stories all week about George Galloway pulling away support from potential Labour supporters all week (and I think he will finish in a better-than-expected 3rd place), I think that there will be enough support to get Labour over the line.

 

Would you like to put some money on it? :P

 

Would you like to put some money on it? :P

 

 

Already have. Stuck £10 on it with 9/4 odds.

This Batley and Spen by election is so depressingly toxic. So many odious troublemakers in politics and it's always the left wing parties that get physically attacked.

 

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All Galloway isn't it? Absolute horrible excuse for a human being. Calls himself a Socialist :lol: he just stirs up hatred and the irony being he'd f*** over Muslims at any opportunity given.

If he's a socialist then why does he want the Tories to win the seat?

 

Theres also the, ahem lovely, Jayda Fransen in the mix.

 

Dont worry Keir Starmer might say something in support of his assaulted activists in like 3 weeks time after it's been past a focus group and the Tories say it first...

 

If he's a socialist then why does he want the Tories to win the seat?

 

Theres also the, ahem lovely, Jayda Fransen in the mix.

 

Dont worry Keir Starmer might say something in support of his assaulted activists in like 3 weeks time after it's been past a focus group and the Tories say it first...

 

Well that's the irony isn't it, he isn't a Socialist and is a full blown Tory at this point, he just wants to split the vote and stir up hate,.

 

Starmer calls out the abuse in the article.

Future years will likely see this as the ugliest by-election since Bermondsey back in 1983. Seeing the vile Chris Williamson campaigning with George Galloway doesn’t help things.

 

Labours odds have lengthened to 4-1, so Inshould have waited a few days before putting my wager on.

So Williamson wants a Tory in too. The Labour party really is the most toxic organisation ridden with infighting The problem is that it allows the Tories a free pass.

So Williamson wants a Tory in too. The Labour party really is the most toxic organisation ridden with infighting The problem is that it allows the Tories a free pass.

 

Which is my point about the hardcore Socialist element I always bang on about. Yeah you know what Starmer is not the ideal man, he was/is the best of a bad and average bunch. But there are some proper staunch Socialists out there who would rather we have the Tories in power other than vote for someone who is not a hardcore Socialist. Then we just end up with this continious rinse and repeat.

 

Until Labour can harmonise again, I don't think it goes anywhere and I am not sure if it can ever harmonise again.

Which is my point about the hardcore Socialist element I always bang on about. Yeah you know what Starmer is not the ideal man, he was/is the best of a bad and average bunch. But there are some proper staunch Socialists out there who would rather we have the Tories in power other than vote for someone who is not a hardcore Socialist. Then we just end up with this continious rinse and repeat.

 

Until Labour can harmonise again, I don't think it goes anywhere and I am not sure if it can ever harmonise again.

 

Hmm? I voted for neoliberal Labour under Starmier and under Ed too, and I'll do it again and again, but that doesn't mean I can't demand better. This is supposed to be a DEMOCRACY, but the only choice we are gicen is the Ford Model Tory in classic neoliberal style.

Hmm? I voted for neoliberal Labour under Starmier and under Ed too, and I'll do it again and again, but that doesn't mean I can't demand better. This is supposed to be a DEMOCRACY, but the only choice we are gicen is the Ford Model Tory in classic neoliberal style.

 

But there’s a choice between demanding better and voting differently. I didn’t class you in this category as I know for all our debates you’d always vote Labour or the candidate most likely to stop the Tories. But there are many staunch Socialists who wouldn’t do that because the leader isn’t a pure hardcore Socialist.

Which is my point about the hardcore Socialist element I always bang on about. Yeah you know what Starmer is not the ideal man, he was/is the best of a bad and average bunch. But there are some proper staunch Socialists out there who would rather we have the Tories in power other than vote for someone who is not a hardcore Socialist. Then we just end up with this continious rinse and repeat.

 

Until Labour can harmonise again, I don't think it goes anywhere and I am not sure if it can ever harmonise again.

 

See, to understand their view, I think you have to come at it from the lens, largely economically that they're thinking there is little material difference between the Tories in power or a neutered Labour. Which I disagree with them on, as it's easier to push a governing Labour left than it is the Tories by a long shot, but the fact is, both the centre wings of the Tories and Labour do represent this neoliberal status quo, and actually particularly this Tory government economically is far leftier than many Labour proposals - so there's really little to get excited about if you are a socialist, it'd be replacing one bad thing with another.

 

They'd see this as the ideal time to push the issue and get the leadership to understand that their vote is not confirmed, that they want concessions. Again, even a reaffirmation of the pledges Starmer was elected on would satisfy most of the socialists in the party worth getting. There is space for something to emerge to supersede Labour.

 

which by the way I don't think this applies to Galloway, who I wouldn't consider on the left anymore, too much in common with him and populist right figures. Until the Workers Party reveals itself to be more than just the latest of his ego trains, that's all it is, populist and ideologically bankrupt.

Stuck another tenner on Labour to win at odds of 4/1, so I've raised the stakes on this. Will be watching the bookies with interest tomorrow to see if the odds shorten during the day.