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Not that it makes them any less evil, but human history.... When you've seen what people are easily led to believe in, and commit atrocities as a result of, it comes as no shock to oldies like me. I didn't get this cynical about human nature by accident, just watching the news for 55 years will do it. I grew up with Vietnam a long-running saga, the IRA, living with bombs planted in Bournemouth and Singapore and endless re-runs of 2 recent World Wars on TV, and it's been war after war ever since. I understand how shocking it is to watch people still being evil when you are seeing it happen on a daily basis for the first time, cos that was me Young Me once. Don't stop being shocked and angry about it either, cos you can become numb to it from year after endless year of the same headlines, just to get by in life.

 

 

Although slightly younger than you I feel much the same way. In fact a friend and I were discussing this with my daughter on Friday night, (she's 20 and it feels closer to home than any before). I missed being aware of Vietnam but the international news was all about Palestine, Afghanistan, Iran/Iraq war, the Falklands, and so on. Any day trip to London always came with the possibility of the IRA blowing something up and the news, films and TV shows all kept reminding us that a nuclear confrontation was mere weeks away, or as it turned out in 1983 only one, essentially disobeyed order (thank you Stanislav Petrov). This was an era where a film like Threads was primetime entertainment and it still remains probably the scariest film I've ever watched and most of us had relatives (mine was my grandad) who could tell you about the time he invaded Germany, fought the Nazis and helped liberate a concentration camp. I have a friend who came back from Northern Ireland a shell of his former self after trying to comfort his dying colleague. At the end of the 80's things did seem more optimistic but you still had Bosnia, Rwanda, Kosovo, then September 11 changed it all again and a few years later another friend came back from Basra without his legs.

 

 

 

What's happening now in Ukraine isn't anything strikingly different from the recent past, it's just framed that way by the media because it's white Europeans that look like us being killed and we're not the ones blowing stuff up for once, yet what happened in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, was every bit as horrific. As if to reinforce the horrors a work colleague came back from Basra without his legs.

 

As my friend and I said to my daughter, never let it stop you living your life, and yes you should be outraged and you should never forget what war looks like, how it's always, without fail, ordinary people that suffer the most, and you should about it do what you feel is right.

 

Just don't expect that it'll be the last one you have to see happen.

 

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'Partial mobilization'.

From the creators of 'special military operation'.

'Partial mobilization'.

From the creators of 'special military operation'.

 

Sounds really desperate, same with the nuclear stuff. Maybe at this point Putin is banking on the West not providing Ukraine with heavy arms as that appears to have been one of the primary reasons Ukraine has benefited (along with the strategical support from the UK & US). Full mobilatisation would presumably lead to a strong backlash in Russia, not longer a "special military operation"..

I'd like to think it's all fearmongering and he's panicked, saying I'm not bluffing actually means he kind of is and it's empty threats.

 

But, my anxiety keeps on telling me otherwise. I know it'll sound ridiculous to some and people annoyingly brush it off as "silly" but it affected my anxiety greatly when previous nuclear war threats were mentioned and I'm feeling the exact same way now, in fear and feeling sick with anxiety.

Ukraine have been making great gains in the last few weeks, he's worried, and this will be a show of strength to arrest the declining morale of the current Russian army.

 

Is escalation into dangerous nuclear weapons out of the realm of possibility? no, but I don't think it's fundamentally different from Russian rhetoric up to now. More an acknowledgment that brings Russia's reality a little closer to what everyone else always knew was the reality.

 

What would be a desirable nuking target for them? They're not yet going to want to nuke 'future territory' and nuking would certainly lose them the support of China, whose leadership is already chafing a bit at Putin's doings in Ukraine.

I can’t help but laugh whenever I read a statement from any element of the Russian state and they’re bought and paid for agents in the west. Like the level of delusion is objectively hysterical. These fannies are inhabiting a different planet.

 

 

But I do feel for those who left previously and are now entirely cut off from their families indefinitely as there is no way any emigrant of fighting age is going to be able to go within 15 km of an embassy never mind their families in Russia without being conscripted. (Early indications from OSINT is that this is a disguise for full mobilisation). Of course my empathy does not extend to those emigrants who are in support of the invasion and have drunk the states koolaid while smugly noting they are immune from mobilisation. They need denazification (for real. Not whatever putin vomits about) or deporting so they can go serve in this illegal war they support so much. Guessing their tune might change quite quickly when faced with option 2

I'd like to think it's all fearmongering and he's panicked, saying I'm not bluffing actually means he kind of is and it's empty threats.

 

But, my anxiety keeps on telling me otherwise. I know it'll sound ridiculous to some and people annoyingly brush it off as "silly" but it affected my anxiety greatly when previous nuclear war threats were mentioned and I'm feeling the exact same way now, in fear and feeling sick with anxiety.

 

Just try to relax. The thing with these weapons is they could wipe us all out and end civilisation as we kbow ot, and create a new extinction event. However, it is, really, just an amplification of suspension of disbelief. The best way to react is to ignore the threats

I wish my anxiety found it that easy 😅 but thanks.

 

Imo Jack, always hard not to think of the worst case scenario. I think what you have to remember is nobody wants a nuclear war, it is in nobody's interest. If Russia pulled the trigger, they would surely go for Ukraine first (and that is a very risky play). And at that point I suspect there would be international condemnation - would not even surprise me if someone close to Putin saw they future and staged a coup. India and China have been slightly more vocal and I suspect this next play is Russia playing their buff - China have been keeping a watchful eye because of Taiwan and India because of gas/oil but it's noticeable the noises they are making is because they know Russia is fighting a losing battle. If Russia pick a fight with a NATO member, it's quite clear they will get easily beaten. Just cannot see a way they do that.

Thanks Rooney, I have listened to other experts etc since posting and don't feel as anxious as I have.

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It's a bluff. Putin is all bark and no trousers, as we saw in February 2022 when he first threatened nuclear strikes. Classic gammon boomer who still thinks it is 1983.

 

The Ukrainians aren't going to treat these "referendums" seriously and continue the counter-offensives and likely support from the west remains pretty strong so it's a fairly dumb tactic from someone who seems to be going for the record of stupid and counter-productive decisions this year (run a very close second by the UK government ofc).

The thing is, he’s not dumb enough to use a nuke, even a wee one against Ukraine. And he’s not dumb enough to say that UA attacking with NATO weapons is an attack by NATO and therefore NATO territory is fair game. Because both of those scenarios end with Putin either dead or at The Hague, and probably the end of the Russian federation.

 

 

Now, it depends of course how powerful his delusions are. As there has been plenty of reports that his calls with western leaders revealed that he really did believe shit about the Ukrainians being not a real country and how it’s a historic injustice blah blah

So Putin's announcements of the annexing of the 4 regions (Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson) has occured after the sham referendums. I don't often get nightmares about political events but must admit I did about this yesterday (not the nuclear threat so much as powerless but just worries for the safety of the Ukranians there). What with everything going on at the moment....

The Kerch bridge, aka the only thing Putin has any form of human emotion about, is on fire. The road span has collapsed and there’s a fuel train that has been on fire for a couple of hours just melting the tracks. And a lot of Ukrainian officials seem to be quite heavily implying responsibility for the attack

 

That is some highly precise strikes to have taken out a moving train and the road deck at the same point given how narrow both of those are from a missile targeting perspective

 

 

I know a lot of online people have been waiting for this particular strike, but it is going to be interesting to see what the reaction to this is from bunker boy and indeed from the illegal occupation authorities in both the territory illegally annexed this week and in crimea

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I know a lot of online people have been waiting for this particular strike, but it is going to be interesting to see what the reaction to this is from bunker boy and indeed from the illegal occupation authorities in both the territory illegally annexed this week and in crimea

sadly we didn't have to wait that long for the reaction...

 

the quotes from some Russian politicians including 2 former and current presidents are some of the most evil f***ing things I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. I don't understand how this can be done for a f***ing piece of land in 2022

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Been following John Sweeney* reporting (along with Oz Katerji) from Ukraine.

 

Quite a compelling interview with him here about the current situation:

 

 

*yes he's the former BBC journalist who got angry and shouted at a scientologist in 2007.

 

Zelensky in the recently liberated Kherson:

 

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Allegedly Putin has cancelled his annual press conference thing as well. Which says all you need to know about the state of things in the kremlins nuclear bunker.

 

Lazarov was also briefly hospitalised in Bali upon arrival but sadly it appears that he is still alive and ready to let some more lies dribble out his mouth like vomit from a drunk 19-year old at 4am hugging the downstairs loo for moral and emotional support

Allegedly Putin has cancelled his annual press conference thing as well. Which says all you need to know about the state of things in the kremlins nuclear bunker.

 

Lazarov was also briefly hospitalised in Bali upon arrival but sadly it appears that he is still alive and ready to let some more lies dribble out his mouth like vomit from a drunk 19-year old at 4am hugging the downstairs loo for moral and emotional support

 

The dribble comment is apt, Lavrov always gives me strong Droopy dog vibes~ 🤣 'I'm so happy' etc.

 

The contrast between Zelensky visiting the newly liberated Kherson and Putin sending his lapdog because he is too scared to visit the G20 in Bali is massively humiliating for Russia.

 

Both at very high risk of assassination, only one true brave leader though.

Reports coming in about russian missiles accidentally killing 2 in Poland, just 5km past the border

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