I'm sure the vinyls are much more than successful than we realise. Italy Amazon pushed Forever's vinyl back to Jan on the release week last week so a load of Italians on Spice circle ordered it from Amazon UK. Those sales are essentially lost as they won't count towards the UK chart as they ship to Italian addresses but won't count to the Italian charts as Amazon UK won't report sales to the Italian chart compiler.

 

Who knows how many sales slip through the net with things like that. It certainly seemed a lot of foreign fans ordered through UK Amazon with the date being pushed back else where. Which is probably why Forever looked to be doing so well on pre-orders on UK Amazon too.

 

 

Most of those fans ordered through UK shipping services so they were actually counted towards UK sales, which actually shows how inflated the UK sales are from reality.

I'd say "some of" the fans, I doubt it was most!

 

Completely agree Mr.X, Spice Girls' lack of activity, and popping up every now and then, in a way is actually kind of damaging for the legacy they're apparently so eager to protect. They let themselves go a bit out of sight, out of mind. I feel like the music of The Beatles, Queen, ABBA etc somehow have more of an omnipresence. To be fair their catalogues are vast in comparison to Spice Girls, so that's another way they let themselves down.

Forever re entered the Top 100 Scottish album charts at #83

I'd say "some of" the fans, I doubt it was most!

 

 

I completely disagree I mean only fans on sites like Spice Circle or here on Buzzjack etc would ever be aware that the vinyl was released in the UK this week as apposed to it being in January as seen on their own site. Those on the fan sites are the more hardcore fans and more likely to try support them on a chart rather than let sales go to waste.

Edited November 28, 20204 yr by spiceboy

Forever re entered the Top 100 Scottish album charts at #83

 

 

God bless the Scottish charts I love them :wub:

I need to move to Scotland. They are the best!

 

Anyways, I'm still glad we managed to get it into 4 charts, better than nothing!

I believe only 2 people offered shipping services, and out of 696 physicals achieved in the UK, it would have only been a small percentage of that. It was probably no more than 20 sales achieved that way.

 

The fan base is spread far and wide around the world, there'll definitely be a fair few "lost sales" in the ether, with them ordering directly from Amazon UK. Many of them won't have been aware of a fan shipping service.

I believe only 2 people offered shipping services, and out of 696 physicals achieved in the UK, it would have only been a small percentage of that. It was probably no more than 20 sales achieved that way.

 

The fan base is spread far and wide around the world, there'll definitely be a fair few "lost sales" in the ether, with them ordering directly from Amazon UK. Many of them won't have been aware of a fan shipping service.

 

 

Why would they be aware that Amazon UK were selling it now and not at the same date as their own countries Amazon page? I get it with the official stores because fans all over the world would be checking those but how often as a huge fan of the girls do you check Amazon Italy or Amazon Germany etc for releases? I can honestly say I've ordered one thing on Amazon Germany once and that was First day of my life. That's as a huge fan following Melanie's career in other countries and actively going on there to buy it knowing it's on there otherwise I've never done for anything else.

 

We will have to agree to disagree my dear but I don't buy into it.

I've ordered through Amazon.com, Amazon.de, Amazon.fr on a few occasions!

 

It would at least explain more easily how it managed to get to #1 on Amazon UK! Most products that get to #1 on Amazon (which is no mean feat) don't end up missing the chart. There's definitely international customers using different Amazon countries.

 

The Spice Circle shipping service requires trust/commitment, and is ultimately more of a faff than them just ordering it themselves without a care for whether it helps the UK chart or not. I know the shipping service attracted a few sales, but it wasn't a huge number.

 

By the way, Forever was available to pre-order on Fnac for a whole year, and there were probably some fans who wouldn't have been able to resist waiting when that pre-order first went up. So there were certainly opportunities for 'lost sales' to occur.

Kevsie and Chris shipping service was for 25 vinyls (19 and 6).

 

Amazon most certainly had loads of international fans ordering from it.

 

I actually asked Chris about it when Amazon Italy changed the date and loads of Italian fans contacted him but he couldn't compete with Amazon UK shipping prices. 1 Italian fan chose him.

Edited November 28, 20204 yr by sammy01

I usually only order from Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk. Amazon.se didn't even exist here until about a month ago!

I bought it from Amazon UK to support the girls. I live in Italy.

 

See this is why the record label are happy to keep releasing the vinyls, the sales for the charts are not it's actual total sales. It could easily have done a couple of hundred sales on Amazon UK to other parts of the world. Not to mention it's sales from sound of vinyl, record store and so on to other parts of the world.

 

I wonder if the record companies keep track of all the sales, just goes to show we will never truly know how much they have sold.

I wonder if the record companies keep track of all the sales, just goes to show we will never truly know how much they have sold.

 

Sort of I guess. They'll know how many copies they've shipped out and that counts as "sales" for them. If stores start selling out they might have enough demand to do another printing etc.

Yep record labels only care about shipments. The charts are mainly for fans and good press if something does well.

Edited November 29, 20204 yr by sammy01

Yep record labels only care about shipments. The charts are mainly for fans and good press if something does well.

 

Well, yes and no. Obviously, something can ship well, but if it the stores can't sell the stock it means that they won't buy a large amount of the next release. So for them to go for a Forever release after Spiceworld did disappointingly on the charts in comparison to Spice and the Greatest Hits vinyl, it must've at least sold out, or been close to selling out, for them to assume they could sell stock of Forever to stores.

Well, yes and no. Obviously, something can ship well, but if it the stores can't sell the stock it means that they won't buy a large amount of the next release. So for them to go for a Forever release after Spiceworld did disappointingly on the charts in comparison to Spice and the Greatest Hits vinyl, it must've at least sold out, or been close to selling out, for them to assume they could sell stock of Forever to stores.

 

Yeah this. I really want to know how many vinyls have been sold of Spice (the various editions), GH, Picture disk and Spiceworld too!

 

Do we know anyone who can tell us?

Yeah this. I really want to know how many vinyls have been sold of Spice (the various editions), GH, Picture disk and Spiceworld too!

 

Do we know anyone who can tell us?

 

Jay could maybe get a sales breakdown of those albums but I think through breakdown would be more physical/download/streams