Do we know for sure that some artists do this? I can maybe see someone else doing 90% of the work for a DJ/producer but surely they will add something before they slap their sole artist credit on it.

 

To me it sounds like a dangerous game for the artist. If "they" release something that causes controversy then they will get blamed for the song itself when they may have had no involvement, but if it's discovered an artist actually has no involvement in a song with their name on it, surely they lose all credibility?

Many if not the majority of the big names in EDM rely mostly on ghost producers - at this point it’s just the biggest open secret of the industry

 

David Guetta, Armin van Buuren, Tiesto, Steve Aoki, Alan Walker, Diplo, Dimitri Vegas, Marshmello, Zedd, DJ Snake, Alok, R3hab etc all heavily rumoured or confirmed to have ghost producers. and I guess Robin Schulz now too.

 

they sure lose a bit of credibility but only with a small amount of folk so there’s no real damage to their careers.

Tbh even if it wasn't a literally stolen song I'm sure I'd have been able to guess 'Miss You' wasn't actually made by Robin Schulz, it's not exactly his normal sound :lol:

Stormzy just announced his album for next month, I guess single this or next Friday (most likely again Taylor's, next)

This week is the remix of Unholy that everyone was hyping about by Disclosure.

:o Does Robin Schulz not have any input on some of the songs with his name on? Or could he not have at least vetoed this from being released, assuming he disagreed with the situation of course! Or would he have done the final production on the track, or at least some of it?

 

I was wondering too that he didn’t have any say. Strange case anyway

Nice to see you posting btw Ben! <3

Awww thank you. :heart:

Was also considering to enter BJSC again if it‘s possible. I had a nice entry :cheer:

Do we know for sure that some artists do this? I can maybe see someone else doing 90% of the work for a DJ/producer but surely they will add something before they slap their sole artist credit on it.

 

To me it sounds like a dangerous game for the artist. If "they" release something that causes controversy then they will get blamed for the song itself when they may have had no involvement, but if it's discovered an artist actually has no involvement in a song with their name on it, surely they lose all credibility?

 

I think there's not much risk to it and it's a win for them all. The people who actually make the songs get to have their songs heard by millions, make loads of money, get to meet celebrities and frankly probably don't actually have to work very much. And the artists get to be given guaranteed hit songs, fame, adoration, lots of money, etc. They just need to keep quiet about it. And really given the astronomical amount of money (as well as fame, social influence, etc) that we're dealing with here, there's probably serioous levels of blackmail involved. They're dealing with things on such a big scale that none of us can even truly comprehend it unless we experience it for ourselves.

 

I honestly think most popular artists in all genres don't actually make their own music, or have little input in it. And artists that do genuinely make their own music they seem to be prevented from being commercially successful. Even going back to the Beatles, I watched an amazing 3 hour documentary about them on Youtube many years ago (which seems to have now been deleted, but it used to have 10+ million views), and it was showing basically how the songs weren't made by a group of teenage boys, it was mostly old, balding men in an office writing the songs and The Beatles were just performing them really. But it's a lot more exciting and creates more personality around the boys if you say they made the songs as well. And if it's not realistic you can just say they had a bit of help but they did most of the work. I think they really are probably the most influential thing to happen in modern pop music because this has basically become the model for all future pop music after that.

Apple Music Chart Update (12/10)

 

01 01 Sam Smith & Kim Petras - Unholy

02 02 David Guetta & Bebe Rexha - I'm Good (Blue)

03 03 Lewis Capaldi - Forget Me

04 04 Eliza Rose & Interplanetary Criminal - B.O.T.A. (Baddest Of Them All) [Edit]

05 05 Beyoncé - CUFF IT

06 06 Anne-Marie x Aitch - PSYCHO

07 07 Chris Brown - Under the Influence

08 08 OneRepublic - I Ain't Worried

09 09 Luude & Mattafix - Big City Life

10 11 Burna Boy - Last Last

 

11 10 Ed Sheeran - Celestial

12 12 Burna Boy - For My Hand (feat. Ed Sheeran)

13 16 Tom Odell - Another Love

14 13 James Hype & Miggy Dela Rosa - Ferrari

15 14 Aitch & Ed Sheeran - My G

16 15 Nicki Minaj - Super Freaky Girl

17 17 KSI - Not Over Yet (feat. Tom Grennan)

18 18 LF SYSTEM - Afraid To Feel

19 19 Lizzo - 2 Be Loved (Am I Ready)

20 20 Oxlade - KU LO SA - A COLORS SHOW

 

21 21 Joel Corry & Becky Hill - HISTORY

22 23 Mimi Webb - Ghost of You

23 22 Beyoncé - BREAK MY SOUL

24 24 Harry Styles - As It Was

25 25 Sigala, David Guetta & Sam Ryder - Living Without You

26 26 Steve Lacy - Bad Habit

27 27 Omar Apollo - Evergreen (You Didn’t Deserve Me At All)

28 28 Dermot Kennedy - Kiss Me

29 30 LF SYSTEM - Hungry (For Love)

30 29 Elton John & Britney Spears - Hold Me Closer

 

31 31 David Guetta, Becky Hill & Ella Henderson - Crazy What Love Can Do

32 32 Alesso & Zara Larsson - Words

33 34 Central Cee - Doja

34 33 Caity Baser - X&Y

35 35 Lizzo - About Damn Time

36 36 D-Block Europe - 4 The Win

37 38 venbee & Goddard - messy in heaven

38 39 Bru-C - No Excuses

39 37 Stormzy - Mel Made Me Do It

40 40 Harry Styles - Late Night Talking

 

41 41 Russ Millions - Pisces (feat. Krept & Konan)

44 45 Rema & Selena Gomez - Calm Down

45 48 Meduza & James Carter - Bad Memories (feat. Elley Duhé & FAST BOY)

46 44 Tate McRae - uh oh

47 47 Tom Grennan - All These Nights

50 51 Tion Wayne - Let's Go (feat. Aitch)

52 52 Arctic Monkeys - Body Paint

53 53 Jax - Victoria’s Secret

54 56 Cian Ducrot & Ella Henderson - All For You

60 63 Fred again.. & Swedish House Mafia - Turn On The Lights again.. (feat. Future)

62 61 Lil Nas X - STAR WALKIN' (League of Legends Worlds Anthem)

64 70 Acraze - Believe (feat. Goodboys)

65 69 K-Trap - Warm

67 71 MK & BURNS - Better (feat. Teddy Swims)

73 73 Dean Lewis - How Do I Say Goodbye

74 75 FLO - Not My Job

75 NE Oliver Tree & Robin Schulz - Miss You

78 76 Lauren Spencer Smith - Narcissist

86 82 Bugzy Malone & MIST - Energy

87 86 Central Cee - LA Leakers Freestyle

90 88 JAE5 - Propeller (feat. Dave & BNXN fka Buju)

94 87 Asake - Terminator

99 RE The 1975 - I'm In Love With You

100 96 Asake - Joha

Miss You still only #75 on Apple just feels really odd. I know big gaps between performance on Spotify and Apple aren't that uncommon but dance tracks usually do better on Apple. Take the fact that the new LF System song is in the top 30 for example. Would have expected Miss You to be at least top 40 on there by now.

I honestly think most popular artists in all genres don't actually make their own music, or have little input in it. And artists that do genuinely make their own music they seem to be prevented from being commercially successful. Even going back to the Beatles, I watched an amazing 3 hour documentary about them on Youtube many years ago (which seems to have now been deleted, but it used to have 10+ million views), and it was showing basically how the songs weren't made by a group of teenage boys, it was mostly old, balding men in an office writing the songs and The Beatles were just performing them really. But it's a lot more exciting and creates more personality around the boys if you say they made the songs as well. And if it's not realistic you can just say they had a bit of help but they did most of the work. I think they really are probably the most influential thing to happen in modern pop music because this has basically become the model for all future pop music after that.

 

The bolded part is obviously false - you cannot say that bands like Metallica or artists like Taylor Swift don't write their songs :lol: And The Beatles wrote half of their music when they started, from their first album 8/15 were their songs, increasing their contribution from there on.

 

Everyone gets a little help for sure, and a lot of help when it comes to producing.

 

What makes Guetta interesting is that after Giorgio Tuinfort and Sia, he hasn't had any frequent songwriters he collaborates with, he just pops up on a new song at least once a month with people he had never worked with before. I would really like to know the process there.

Miss You still only #75 on Apple just feels really odd. I know big gaps between performance on Spotify and Apple aren't that uncommon but dance tracks usually do better on Apple. Take the fact that the new LF System song is in the top 30 for example. Would have expected Miss You to be at least top 40 on there by now.

 

It’s not on A List Pop or Todays Hits so isn’t getting much support!

Apple:

44 +42 Oliver Tree & Robin Schulz - Miss You

Amazon:

 

10 For my Hand

22 Calm Down

24 Dermot Kennedy

26 Romantic Homicide

27 Dean Lewis!

30 AM - I Wanna be Yours

32 AM - 505

37 Messy in heaven

40 Mimi Webb

 

49 Tom Brennan - All These Nights

59 Omar Apollo

 

Apple:

44 +42 Oliver Tree & Robin Schulz - Miss You

And that’s without it having any support on Apple Music!

Hopefully they add it to Today’s Hits and Hot songs tomorrow (they always give it a full update on a Friday)

well, on Spotify it's climbing also without any playlist support

thats the advantage of viral tiktok hits, you don't need playlist support

I know, so with support it should climb even faster. This is certainly going to contend for the top spot very soon

Poland vs Miss You for next #1 :D

Many if not the majority of the big names in EDM rely mostly on ghost producers - at this point it’s just the biggest open secret of the industry

 

David Guetta, Armin van Buuren, Tiesto, Steve Aoki, Alan Walker, Diplo, Dimitri Vegas, Marshmello, Zedd, DJ Snake, Alok, R3hab etc all heavily rumoured or confirmed to have ghost producers. and I guess Robin Schulz now too.

 

they sure lose a bit of credibility but only with a small amount of folk so there’s no real damage to their careers.

 

I guess, then, the real question is are there any dance big hitters that produce all of their own music, or at least most of it. I wonder if Avicii did, as he had that definitive sound that never reallly veered much from its path, suggesting less outside influence perhaps?

I imagine Calvin Harris does? I’m not sure but he always seems very passionate when he talks about creating music.

I guess, then, the real question is are there any dance big hitters that produce all of their own music, or at least most of it. I wonder if Avicii did, as he had that definitive sound that never reallly veered much from its path, suggesting less outside influence perhaps?

I’m pretty sure Avicii produced all his music, although he had a lot of help with the songwriting for many of his big hits.

 

Calvin Harris too seems pretty legit and likely doesn’t rely on ghost producers.

when I think ghost writer first name that pops in my head is Drake :)