5 people which really need to be strapped to a rocket destined for the sun.

Lol if Darren Grimes is the answer to something, what the hell is the question?

What's the quickest way to get chlamydia?

Well I mean Chlamydia's bad and all that but bit of an insult to associate it with Darren "Ninth Rate Dan Wooton wannabe" Grimes.

 

And back to Rishi apparently Brexit is a success as we may be able to get cheaper beer and sanitary products this summer. Whoopee bloody doo! :nocheer: Let's not mention the skyrocketing fuel bills compared with EU and the fact that many countries won't trade with us due to the red tape.

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NatCon to me looked like the Tory party having an existencial crisis - despite being in power.

 

They don't seem to know what to actually do with that power, there is no vision - just 5 supposed 'public priority' pledges from Rishi that he repeats endlessly to distract from this complete lack of vision. I think some recognise the incoming crisis for Conservatives (Ed West: Tory NIMBYs keeping house prices high by resisting housebuilding risk their children and grandchildren listening to Novara Media and voting for the Green Party!!) and that by putting themselves essentially against the country ('War On Woke') yet because the views they detest and rail against are actually fairly mainstream now.. they cannot build a coalition strong enough to win an election if you actively hate the majority of the electorate. I think this will be a dead-end for them, just like the Hague/Duncan-Smith/Howard years in the wilderness from 1997-2005.

 

From what I've seen, a lot of the younger people attending (what was an Edmund Burke Foundation organised event- a fundamentalist Christian rightwing think tank) seemed to have more left-leaning but more authoritarian and interventialist views on the economy, .e.g. the state is important and should have more control than the Thatcher individualism movement promoted, while having very much stronger conservative with a small c values and a very anti-globalist/immigration stance. It feels like trying to mould the party around a more American model and I can't see it catching on here in the UK.

 

I wonder what will happen after the next election if the Tories really do implode. If this is a preview, then it could be catastrophic for them-

NatCon to me looked like the Tory party having an existencial crisis - despite being in power.

 

They don't seem to know what to actually do with that power, there is no vision - just 5 supposed 'public priority' pledges from Rishi that he repeats endlessly to distract from this complete lack of vision. I think some recognise the incoming crisis for Conservatives (Ed West: Tory NIMBYs keeping house prices high by resisting housebuilding risk their children and grandchildren listening to Novara Media and voting for the Green Party!!) and that by putting themselves essentially against the country ('War On Woke') yet because the views they detest and rail against are actually fairly mainstream now.. they cannot build a coalition strong enough to win an election if you actively hate the majority of the electorate. I think this will be a dead-end for them, just like the Hague/Duncan-Smith/Howard years in the wilderness from 1997-2005.

 

From what I've seen, a lot of the younger people attending (what was an Edmund Burke Foundation organised event- a fundamentalist Christian rightwing think tank) seemed to have more left-leaning but more authoritarian and interventialist views on the economy, .e.g. the state is important and should have more control than the Thatcher individualism movement promoted, while having very much stronger conservative with a small c values and a very anti-globalist/immigration stance. It feels like trying to mould the party around a more American model and I can't see it catching on here in the UK.

 

I wonder what will happen after the next election if the Tories really do implode. If this is a preview, then it could be catastrophic for them-

 

Yeah this is really interesting and it does seem like the Johnson wing want the American style of politics. I just don't think it will work here or it could have worked here, but it's 10 years too late. Most of the under 25s see climate change as a big issue and like you say, even the Young Tories see this as an issue the Party need to do better with to win elections in the future. I do think they can play culture wars and win over some of the Millenials with that brand. I think the Party will implode after the election & there will be a power struggle.

 

Interesting to see how this Braverman story develops over the next few days. Looks like it's caught most of the Cabinet off guard and she's clearly too influential within the Party to bin off.

Well I mean Chlamydia's bad and all that but bit of an insult to associate it with Darren "Ninth Rate Dan Wooton wannabe" Grimes.

 

And back to Rishi apparently Brexit is a success as we may be able to get cheaper beer and sanitary products this summer. Whoopee bloody doo! :nocheer: Let's not mention the skyrocketing fuel bills compared with EU and the fact that many countries won't trade with us due to the red tape.

 

Fuel bills will start to fall from July.

^She probably has broken the ministerial code (again) - Times reports that there is email evidence, but given the incredibly low bar for integrity this government has (Johnson decided multiple times to ignore breaches), it's hardly the biggest transgression and I expect they will try to freewheel through it.

 

I could be wrong, but as much as I dislike Braverman (the person, PLUS her views/policies) the whole speeding story doesn't have the feel of something that will blow up into a major story- though her way of dealing with issues like this in the media is pretty infuriating to me. She acts incredibly arrogant and is always rude/indignant like she has the authority to do anything she wants and the journalist shouldn't be asking these q's, and given how Sunak is dependent on her wing of the party to prop him up- she pretty much can get away with it.

 

Not all of us can get done for speeding and then to save on insurance premium ask to forgo the points & fine and instead have a private online course, or indeed use your first week as an MP to ask whether a speeding fine could be put on expenses.

 

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If Priti Patel suffered no consequences for clearly bullying others (a fact which never fails to make me sick given we teach schoolchildren that bullying is unforgivable and can utterly destroy someone's life) and breaking the ministerial code, then I feel like something like speeding surely can't lead to anything too damaging for Braverman, hell Sunak had a similar fine so this lot clearly don't like road safety (though any scandal that sticks and puts pressure on that vile xenophobe to step down where she should've stayed is good by me). The private speeding course is certainly insulting though.

Fuel bills will start to fall from July.

Because global energy prices have fallen.

Fuel bills will start to fall from July.

 

They were much much higher than our European neighbours despite having the same circumstances - Covid, Russia/Ukraine etc.. Anyhow I bet they won't go down by much, the ghastly energy companies will be raking it in.

 

Anyway, better news tonight, Dominic Raab is standing down as an MP at next election. Must know that he stood no chance of not being ousted by the Liberal Democrats and wanted to avoid an embarrassing humiliation. One odious bully gone! :w00t: :w00t:

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Bet Rishi is really scared of Boris and his pathetic rebellion of 22 MPs that he managed in March.

Using the Trump playbook of convincing his supporters it's a "witch hunt".

I don't know, I'm starting to think we could be in for a bit of good old government rebellion if enough of the following things happen:

 

a) Johnson starts to overreach and genuinely believes he has a chance of ousting Sunak, whether that is actually plausible or not

b) the scandals encompassing Braverman reach boiling point, she's let go and the right of the party get mad that not enough of their insanity is in power (ineffectiveness on what is apparently their one true desire, reducing immigration, notwithstanding)

c) Enough Tory MPs announce that they're standing down at the next election (we're already well ahead where we normally are at this point in the cycle, largely because so many are seeing the writing on the wall) that some of them start to either abstain from key votes or feel freer to actively rebel without the threat of deselection or whip loss hanging over them, either reducing Sunak's effective control

 

might be just wishful thinking but hey ho, Sunak's lines at PMQs are starting to wear increasingly thin, I feel vibes

They say that the devil's best idea was pretending that he never exists or the route to fascism is paved by people claiming that the threat exaggerated, so we have to take seriously the fact that a hard/far right cabal is taking head of the Tory party aided by the usual media suspects (Mail, Sun, Express, Telegraph) aided by a loss making but extremely well funded "news" channel GB news which are entirely unscared of regulatory sanctions and appearing to play nice.

Johnson in some ways is not the best figurehead for it - not truly hard right, pissed the gammon off with the lockdown and certain green issues but they'll hype him up and use his narcissism especially as their chosen one, Liz Truss, failed so badly. Braverman also plays very badly to the public despite speaking their language and Badenoch recently annoyed a lot of Brexiters by slowing down the EU law bonfire nonsense.

 

But yes they are gunning for Sunak and Hunt especially since the Tories lost over 1000 seats so look like losing the next election. As Starmer isn't producing radical change from Sunak's style of Government (sadly)then they'll be happy with deposing Sunak and finding a true hard right Orban, Meloni leader in the UK even if they have to wait a while. Nothing to suggest it won't work either.

They were much much higher than our European neighbours despite having the same circumstances - Covid, Russia/Ukraine etc.. Anyhow I bet they won't go down by much, the ghastly energy companies will be raking it in.

 

Anyway, better news tonight, Dominic Raab is standing down as an MP at next election. Must know that he stood no chance of not being ousted by the Liberal Democrats and wanted to avoid an embarrassing humiliation. One odious bully gone! :w00t: :w00t:

 

The coward Raab won’t even stand up to the electorate next year, says it all!

I don't know, I'm starting to think we could be in for a bit of good old government rebellion if enough of the following things happen:

 

a) Johnson starts to overreach and genuinely believes he has a chance of ousting Sunak, whether that is actually plausible or not

b) the scandals encompassing Braverman reach boiling point, she's let go and the right of the party get mad that not enough of their insanity is in power (ineffectiveness on what is apparently their one true desire, reducing immigration, notwithstanding)

c) Enough Tory MPs announce that they're standing down at the next election (we're already well ahead where we normally are at this point in the cycle, largely because so many are seeing the writing on the wall) that some of them start to either abstain from key votes or feel freer to actively rebel without the threat of deselection or whip loss hanging over them, either reducing Sunak's effective control

 

might be just wishful thinking but hey ho, Sunak's lines at PMQs are starting to wear increasingly thin, I feel vibes

 

It’ll likely just mean the election will be earlier than planned!

Telwgraph is propagandising against a Labour governemnt rifht now! :rofl: Like media from a dictatorship, attacking the opposition! As the Telefraph is not true media and just a apropaganda wing of the Tory party, it looks like they are convinced Labour will win, and thwy are attempting to keep it a one term only aberratipn to Tory authoritarian rule. They know that Keir will NEVER bring in PR.

The coward Raab won’t even stand up to the electorate next year, says it all!

 

Smint put it brilliantly, a lot of MPs are seeing the writing on the wall and are jumping before they’re embarrassed. But there’s also an internal war within the Tory Party and a major influence to increase towards a US brand of Republican populist politics. I don’t think there’s anyone with the Tories whose a huge populist figure, Boris was “the one” but I don’t think he ever truly believes in the politics he was pushing and his influence both internally and externally is battered. I can’t see a Trump style comeback as I believe he’s made too many enemies.

 

I think our political landscape is a bit different in the current times, but that could change..

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One of the things about Covid, is that not only did it expose the cruel, unfair and widening inequalities in our society - but also where power truly lies and how it is wielded.