He was always a mad wannabe dictator. We could all see it, but some chose to ignore it.

Will be interesting to see the Reform polls over the coming weeks. Trump has low favourable approval ratings in the U.K. and with his descent in to madness I can’t see that going down well with people who may be tempted to vote Reform. Interesting of course to see the likes of Farage and Tice very silent on the matter at the moment when they’re usually the first gobshites to pop up.

 

Well Starmer is a hierarchy man so it’s actually more dangerous for him since almost all Labour supporters can’t stand Trump and yet he naturally has a compulsion to suck up to him and the worst thing is he has a meeting with him next week.

 

Interestingly enough only Liz Truss scores worse than Starmer

 

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Also Labour approval keeps dropping

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Starmer more unpopular than Farage which is pretty hard to achieve

 

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Reform now lead in the average of polls for the first time after leading in pretty much every poll released this week

 

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There is a big opportunity for Ed Davey or the Green Party to eat into Labour with these current issues but they probably aren’t savvy enough to do it.

 

Reform voters are actually the only ones to have a positive view of Trump

 

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All of these polls are old though, I'm on about what happens next. Reform are doing well at the moment, but not enough to win an election by some margin. I think if the sensible people play it right, it can eat in to the potential Reform votes.

The PM against past PMs poll is interesting, but less useful compared to the 'best choice for PM' poll that went out recently. In fact, given Starmer is riding only just below those figures that are still in politics to a reasonable degree, not all that bad. I also don't think what he is likely to do with Trump matters too much for opinion, he's clearly not aligned with him on Ukraine, he's willing to talk to Trump on items that are directly about British interests. Certainly no sign he'd do a Blair at this juncture.

 

Those opinions of Trump/Zelensky just show to me very clearly that Reform has a ceiling - they are operating on a fundamentally different world from most of the voting population.

All of these polls are old though, I'm on about what happens next. Reform are doing well at the moment, but not enough to win an election by some margin. I think if the sensible people play it right, it can eat in to the potential Reform votes.

 

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I think many voters see Reform UK as an opportunity, rather than a threat. An untapped market if you will.

 

There is an apparent political desire that previously existing parties were not addressing. We've seen this before of course, 9 years ago, and look what happened then...

Hi there.

 

I think many voters see Reform UK as an opportunity, rather than a threat. An untapped market if you will.

 

There is an apparent political desire that previously existing parties were not addressing. We've seen this before of course, 9 years ago, and look what happened then...

 

 

No way will Reform form the next Government. It's like the SDP in 1983, just a protest vote. Labour will win but with a much reduced majority.

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It’s a protest in a way but I would say it’s more dangerous in the extent that it moves centrist parties to the right more on issues just so they can regain votes as they have to move where the public are. I mean in the Blair years Labour were pro inmigration but now Labour have just accepted the rights narrative as the public have accepted it and don’t follow their own political ideals and argue their own views. It’s partly to do with the political system in a way. There’s no space to argue the morally correct arguement on these issues.

The latest yougov poll has it

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 23% (-3)

RFM: 22% (-2)

CON: 22% (=)

LDM: 16% (+2)

GRN: 10% (+1)

SNP: 3% (=)

I think that is pretty accurate. It’s kind of looking like Kemi will eventually go and the Tories will probably end up in the 30%+ with a better leader as time goes on but remains to be seen

2 hours ago, Liam S said:

I think that is pretty accurate. It’s kind of looking like Kemi will eventually go and the Tories will probably end up in the 30%+ with a better leader as time goes on but remains to be seen

I don't see how that would happen at all - a different leader might help slightly. But the person would probably be Jenrick - who is just as awful, if not worse than Badenoch. I guess some misogynists and racists might come back to the Tories as its a white man leading them...

But they literally have zero policies and are a shambles. They can't go more right as Reform are there and Farage is (f*** knows why) loved by the far right. Even the internal Reform squabbling isn't really changing anything.

After the 10+ years of the Tories being in power and then changing leaders so often, another leader change is likely to make them an even bigger laughing stock.

Thankfully Reform and the Tories aren't going to get a crack of power for at least another 4 years. I guess a lot can happen in that time - how many leaders did the Tories get through in that time :D

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2 hours ago, ElectroBoy said:

I don't see how that would happen at all - a different leader might help slightly. But the person would probably be Jenrick - who is just as awful, if not worse than Badenoch. I guess some misogynists and racists might come back to the Tories as its a white man leading them...

But they literally have zero policies and are a shambles. They can't go more right as Reform are there and Farage is (f*** knows why) loved by the far right. Even the internal Reform squabbling isn't really changing anything.

After the 10+ years of the Tories being in power and then changing leaders so often, another leader change is likely to make them an even bigger laughing stock.

Thankfully Reform and the Tories aren't going to get a crack of power for at least another 4 years. I guess a lot can happen in that time - how many leaders did the Tories get through in that time :D

They’ve been in charge for 37 of the last 46 years. Theyre level despite a hugely underwhelming leader who keeps performing very badly at PMQ’s. Logic says if they get a better performing and more savvy leader and some popular policies they’ll get a big boost. If Reform start slipping away and the Tories become the only viable opposition to a very unpopular Labour Party there is a lot of voters there for them to win over. That’s my logic

Boris?

That’s FPTP for you, anti democratic to the core!

Polling is so far from solved in this parliament (rememer in the last parliament, it was set in stone for nearly 2 years before the vote), but it will be interesting to see where we are after an actual electoral test, particularly for the relative strengths of Labour, Reform and the Badenoch Tories.

1 hour ago, Steve201 said:

Boris?

That’s FPTP for you, anti democratic to the core!

A Boris comeback seems highly likely. What the Tory memberbase fail to realise is if they get someone in who is a moderate and not associated with the last cabinate they'll eat in to Reform & Labour.

Not sure Jenrick would make that much of a dent, he's clearly more skilled and capable, but he'd have to do a pact with Reform and can't see either of them wanting to do that.

The job of Leader of the Opposition is hard work at the best of times. It's even harder at the moment, so I can't see Johnson being interested. If they do try that nearer the election, let's hope he fails to win a byelection.

40 minutes ago, Rooney said:

A Boris comeback seems highly likely. What the Tory memberbase fail to realise is if they get someone in who is a moderate and not associated with the last cabinate they'll eat in to Reform & Labour.

Not sure Jenrick would make that much of a dent, he's clearly more skilled and capable, but he'd have to do a pact with Reform and can't see either of them wanting to do that.

Jeneick is reform though for me hence why they went for Kemi this time. He’s not even capable, he’s corrupt and basically a racist.

Boris will def comeback in the 2030s, his hero is Churchill and he was an MP for more or less 60 years and of course made a late comeback after destroying the country.

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Boris time has passed. He will never recover his rep after the Covid mess

Boris is possibly something to fear, similar strongmen to him have recovered from worse (Netanyahu, Trump) and he's the only claim this country has to a broad appeal conservative willing to go populist and once in power commence the democratic backsliding, Farage is too divisive to ever win.

I just hope it doesn't come into being and we have collective memory of him fucking up Covid that will stop him coming back. It's more likely than a Reform govt at any rate.

56 minutes ago, Iz 🌟 said:

Boris is possibly something to fear, similar strongmen to him have recovered from worse (Netanyahu, Trump) and he's the only claim this country has to a broad appeal conservative willing to go populist and once in power commence the democratic backsliding, Farage is too divisive to ever win.

I just hope it doesn't come into being and we have collective memory of him f***ing up Covid that will stop him coming back. It's more likely than a Reform govt at any rate.

It's inevitable he returns, but I think it will be a couple of years yet as a few others have said. The members will be beginning for him to return and he'd certainly eat in to the Reform vote.

I mean not to keep talking about Churchill but he was chancellor when Britain remained on the gold standard in 1923 (ironically to save the empire, similar to Trump 100 years later albeit the opposite economics. This century it’s the American empire that is setting as capitalism moves to China as the powerhouse) and following the WsC in 29 got the blame for that (as well as the Dardanelles disaster in WW1) his reputation was gone until 1936-39.

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