I think the only ones holding on are parasocial fans. Leigh-Anne’s mom and sister, as of 2 days ago are interacting with her posts and we are aware contact has been made. Close friends of the girls are liking posts of Jesy today, the last that I saw an hour ago. We do not have to be privy to all conversations/apologies. No-one is saying Jesy is perfect, or hasn’t made mistakes. We are human, we f*** up. If you still disagree, just agree to disagree.

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Anyway, I’m just so incredibly proud of all the work Jesy is doing. First spreading awareness for TTTS, now campaigning for SMA whilst raising two severely disabled children as a single mom. It’s pretty amazing seeing how passionately she is campaigning, she is already making a change and from this being out there it’s saving lives. Over 100,000 signatures in less than a day and a half and now it’s going to be debated in Parliament. Great stuff 👏👏

This petition being passed would be too late to help Jesy but my god it’ll stop so many families from going through what she and many others have. No more babies dying before the age of 2, having the ability to walk, etc. This is completely selfless, you can see that by how passionately she is.

Her story from earlier made me laugh, glad she’s staying positive being single.

Edited February 14Feb 14 by Slayer

I will give her huge credit for her work on raising awareness of SMA and her struggles with the pregnancy and issues surrounding that.

Zion came across really well in the docu too - it’s a shame it didn’t work out for them as they looked really happy together.

Unfortunately, I don’t think this documentary is landing the way she or her team wanted / expected it to. She has definitely changed the way she speaks about the other girls (for whatever reason that is - personal gain, genuine mending bridges..) but I find it all a little too late and inauthentic. You can’t say things like ‘I love the girls’, ‘we were sisters’ etc and then in the same docu say things like they weren’t there for you. They absolutely were there for her and it was evident they cared for each other - there are some things you can’t fake. What they had was genuine. There’s only so much the others could do to help though - did she think the situation was easy for them too? They were also in the industry and hated parts of it too but ultimately you deal with your issues the best way you can. For Jesy, that was leaving which we were all incredibly sad about but we respected her reasons and genuinely wished her well. What came after was a complete disaster though and showed that it wasn’t as clear cut as we all thought.

Jesy unfortunately bore the brunt of the trolling and it was relentless for her which is horrible and always has been and she absolutely didn’t deserve any of it. I completely get that it would affect her mental health and it’s a shame that professional help, advice and protection wasn’t there for her from the start.

Edited February 14Feb 14 by shindymindy

That's my biggest grievances with it the flip flopping for "we were sisters" to "they wernt there for her", I actually rewatched Odd one out again straight after and they absolutely were and really dont blame her writing the "rumoured" natural at disaster about Jesy

Like the pregnancy stuff was heartbreaking and listening to her struggles was hard but in the same breathe she is still throwing them under the bus

Like the wanting therapy thing we dint know the other girls side but it cant if been easy the way Jesy just leaving was sprung on them too

I don’t know if I picked it up wrong but when she says that the girls weren’t there for her, is she not referring to that specific period towards the end when she left? I don’t think she or her mum were saying that the girls didn’t support her throughout the majority of her time in the band.

She might be referring to that time but she automatically jumped to the conclusion they wernt because they asked for therapy first, given the way they found out she was leaving and jesys second attempt at suicide its not unnatural for them to be in shock and respond like that and it is very much being there for her no matter what she and her mum said

Edited February 15Feb 15 by 777666jason

I mean if my best friends wouldn’t have a conversation with me just us right after I’ve tried to kill myself, I’d find it weird it only could be with a therapist when I’m already feeling vulnerable and only wanting to talk to people close to me.

However, it could be that management said a therapist must be there as Jesy previously disclosed her first suicide attempt in Odd One Out and management did nothing, so this could have been management trying to have their own backs.

I think we could all see during the Confetti era something was really off and Jesy was not okay. She was clearly not mentally okay. Whoever did say ‘is that it, can we go now?’ was bad though but I don’t think it was with malice, they were probably just fed up with Jesy at that time (still not okay).

I think Jesy saying the girls weren’t there for her only related to the very short period before she left. She did openly say she was a ‘miserable bitch’ and hard to work with and brought them down when they were happy. She also said she could see why they were upset looking back.

I think time gives perspective and there was a lot of miscommunication. Things should have been dealt with better and everything just escalated with the hate online and media. I really hope they can sit down and just chat and have that discussion they should have had.

Edited February 15Feb 15 by Slayer

18 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

She might be referring to that time but she automatically jumped to the conclusion they wernt because they asked for therapy first, given the way they found out she was leaving and jesys second attempt at suicide its not unnatural fir them to be in shock and respond like that and it thoughand that is very much being there for her no matter what she and her mum said

No she didn’t automatically come to conclusions, that’s kind of what you’re doing. You have to remember that she actually lived the situation and if she felt they didn’t support her at that time then that’s how she felt. She also said in the doc that she felt that way because of the conversation she had with them when she expressed how she felt to them so was never just because of the therapist situation.

Just to reiterate, I’m not saying that any of the girls are ‘wrong’ for acting in a specific way particularly because Jesy’s mental health had impacted the band for so long and relationships had obviously broken down by that point. But Jesy conveying how she felt at that time is allowed and it doesn’t mean she’s throwing them under the bus because she felt a kind of way about how things went down, particularly when she spent the rest of the documentary talking about how they were best friends etc.

Edited February 15Feb 15 by Billy.

I would be willing to bet MONEY that the story of someone saying “is that it? Can I go now?” is completely false. MONEY.

The amount of things this narcissist has lied about.

Unfortunately we will never know the whole truth. The other girls are very media trained so won’t speak about it in depth seeing as they are still in the band and have to protect ‘the brand’. If they were to speak up I think it would be quite eye opening - all we have heard in depth over the past 5/6 years is from Jesy.

It must have been hard for all involved

1 minute ago, shindymindy said:

Unfortunately we will never know the whole truth. The other girls are very media trained so won’t speak about it in depth seeing as they are still in the band and have to protect ‘the brand’. If they were to speak up I think it would be quite eye opening - all we have heard in depth over the past 5/6 years is from Jesy.

It must have been hard for all involved

They should go nuclear on her at this point

Guys I understand this is a passionate topic on both sides of the debate but can we please avoid making it personal? Thanks x

Talking about the "is that it? Are we done?" statement that someone apparently made, we don't know what had happened in the conversation leading up to that statement: what was the full context? Was that a reply to an utterance by Jesy? What was the mood in the room? We will never know because we'll probably never hear from the other side.

I still think insisting on a therapist being present after they'd just heard from her lawyers first was the right thing to do. Best friends don't hear from a lawyer first. And nobody wants to risk being misunderstood or perceived as saying the wrong thing to someone already struggling mentally, or a repeat of the apparent "is that it? Are we done now?". Sometimes it's not always about how we feel about something, but it's also about how other people in that situation feel about it, by putting ourselves in their shoes mentally.

Part of me wishes this documentary focused on her pregnancy journey and awareness around TTF and SMA. I don't know if they would even have THAT conversation after the details she's shared in the documentary; I hope they do. However, Little Mix would probably never reunite professionally as a four-piece anytime in the future. They may heal and make amends on a personal level, but going on stage together as a 4-piece would risk reoccurrence of the reasons Jesy left in the first place.

This was a nice watch:

So many toxic mixers on Twitter. There are so many disgusting tweets.

I feel like I watched something completely different to everyone else? I had a lot of understanding and felt like all these massive mistakes / hurt she caused was caused by her own self hate.

I don't think there is a 'truth' as such it's one of those circumstances where I'm sure all the girls have a different view of what actually went on. Is anyone in the wrong? I don't think so genuinely think after 9 crazy years working day in day out with no real life outside Little Mix just took it's toll on them all.

Edited February 15Feb 15 by Mr. C. Joel

6 minutes ago, Mr. C. Joel said:

I feel like I watched something completely different to everyone else? I had a lot of understanding and felt like all these massive mistakes / hurt she caused was caused by her own self hate.

I don't think there is a 'truth' as such it's one of those circumstances where I'm sure all the girls have a different view of what actually went on. Is anyone in the wrong? I don't think I genuinely think after 9 crazy years working day in day out with no real life outside Little Mix just took it's toll on them all.

Honestly Joel, the only place I’ve seen negativity is stan twitter and 60/40 on some forums. I’ve seen a lot more positivity than negativity, it’s just the hate is loud from the same groups of people/accounts. The general gp comments are positive and are excited at the prospect of the four being together again. Jesy’s socials are also very positive.

I agree with everything you’ve said! No-one is perfect, nor is anyone the ‘bad’ one in all of this and things took its toll and it was a complex situation.

This has been going on for so long, I hope it’s just put to bed and the girls hang out one day and rebuild that friendship, if they want to.

I feel like this focus should’ve been more on the babies and their condition and the drama is taking away from that.

I get the little mix brings in the views but I felt like the focus should’ve been the advocacy of their condition (and the twin to twin syndrome she had while pregnant).

I would’ve liked to see her acknowledge the livestream as that is where I think mixers really soured on her. Regardless of if the dms were real (fairly certain they were faked by the influencer since he said he was paid to bring up drama) it wasn’t right of jesy to laugh on the live stream or just not saying anything afterwards. She’s spoken about being bullied and even had a documentary out about it so her silence seemed very much like she only cared about it when it was happening to herself.

I get she was going through some horrific mental stuff while in and leaving little mix but that doesn’t absolve her of any wrong doing she’s done. It’s a why it happened but not an excuse or apology (and at times I think some fans,NOT Jesy, are using it as a cop out). She was warned by the girls and fans about her black fishing before her solo career launched yet still decided to go through with it any way. Her acknowledgment of the boyz era was a bit of a disappointment because she basically said I feel bad people were offended and not that was wrong I shouldn’t have done that and I’ve learned from it.

All the girls had their struggles and everything could’ve been handled better. I don’t blame the girls for wanting a therapist there-she just had her second attempt and they were told via a third party she was leaving. If I was in their shoes I’d be scared of saying something wrong and making the situation worse. I get why jesy was hurt but she wasn’t in a good place mentally and should recognize that this was them trying their best to help her while dealing with their own feelings.

3 hours ago, Slayer said:

So many toxic mixers on Twitter. There are so many disgusting tweets.

Twitter is a cesspool and people are going to jump on something no matter what. The majority of the OT3 fans I’ve seen haven’t done that and if anything are just commenting on some clips.

Jesy’s fans have also been pretty horrible at times too so I hope you call those fans out like you do with these. Especially since one of those accounts is the one you link all the jesy updates to on the forum.

Overall i think twitter is a lot of parasocial relationships that cause the tensions to be high. The teenage witch user rightfully deleted that tweet but her twitter is an obsessive amount of following the other girls and arguing with people about the girls.

Edited February 15Feb 15 by Lizzielondon01

Yeah twitter’s horrific and all sides/fanbases have said terrible things. I do disagree that the majority of trio mix fans do relentlessly attack her out of nowhere but we can agree to disagree.

I didn’t realise papz would call Jesy things like ‘fat cow’ etc. No wonder her confidence just got worse and worse.