Omg I forgot all about Hugo! This thread is so amusing so far, people's reactions are making me laugh! 😂 Feel like James doesn't deserve to be that high though.

Fiona far too high for me.

What an absolutely dreadful swing and a miss to attempt to take down a fellow traitor. It was so petty and petulant. There was no real substance behind it and to go out on a limb like that without floating it with another traitor and gathering some kind of support was just stupid.

If she had done it later in the season with more valid reasoning maybe, just maybe I would understand but my gosh, this was just terrible.

Made a moment for great TV and the right person came out on top though so at least it didn't spoil anything.

Fiona is far too low. Created so much havoc after she was revealed but was honestly unsuspected beforehand.

1 hour ago, Viper* said:

Fiona far too high for me.

What an absolutely dreadful swing and a miss to attempt to take down a fellow traitor. It was so petty and petulant. There was no real substance behind it and to go out on a limb like that without floating it with another traitor and gathering some kind of support was just stupid.

If she had done it later in the season with more valid reasoning maybe, just maybe I would understand but my gosh, this was just terrible.

Made a moment for great TV and the right person came out on top though so at least it didn't spoil anything.

1 hour ago, Jayd0n said:

Fiona is far too low. Created so much havoc after she was revealed but was honestly unsuspected beforehand.

Lol these posts coming one after the other made me laugh! I kind of agree with both of you. 😂 She did so well going completely under the radar in the beginning and then she blew it all up rather spectacularly. I think she should midway between both of you... so perhaps Joseph got it spot on, 🤭

I dont think James was outright bad persomally, he did what your mind to do blend in as a faithful so you remain undetected. I unxerstand why he wasnt a team player though.

Yea i can't agree with Fiona being so low tbh. I guess though I view her a little bit differently cause her job was to go fully undetected and when HER cover was blown she just knew she was dealt the short end of the stick and blew it all up on her own terms… albeit i'm surprised the faithfuls never clocked Rachel… there were some pretty dialled in ones there too like Faraaz, Matthew and definitely Harriett.

Fiona probably about in the right spot, terrible game player and showed very little regard for her team mates, one of the most bizarre reasons for a traitor to implode their game I can remember.

Ash seemed nice but just not good at the game and easily swallowed by the louder personalities that season.

As for James, I had been expecting to disagree with you on this and I think I do still, though at least he's above all of the objectively terrible traitors. People focus in on that one mission he didn't get involved in (for understandable reasons and a poorly designed incentive for the traitors to play anyway) and then obviously the way he went was a pretty undesirable way to go, but whatever happened there, he couldn't handle the pressure in the final stages and that knocks him down a lot.

That said, I think his strategy was pretty solid and I imagine I'd have put him a fair bit higher. He survived most of the game as a traitor undetected, his strategy to act faithful is a great one for keeping yourself safe from making slipups, and I got the impression throughout the recent series that he was handling the decision-making, in who to murder and select for hide & seek, pretty well. Pretty clean handling of the MIPS too as the traitor to deliver the death blow. Even if he was reluctant (and I think this is overblown based on his storyline in the season), I think he played it well.

12 hours ago, Viper* said:

Fiona far too high for me.

What an absolutely dreadful swing and a miss to attempt to take down a fellow traitor. It was so petty and petulant. There was no real substance behind it and to go out on a limb like that without floating it with another traitor and gathering some kind of support was just stupid.

If she had done it later in the season with more valid reasoning maybe, just maybe I would understand but my gosh, this was just terrible.

Made a moment for great TV and the right person came out on top though so at least it didn't spoil anything.

11 hours ago, Jayd0n said:

Fiona is far too low. Created so much havoc after she was revealed but was honestly unsuspected beforehand.

The duality of these posts is precisely why I placed her why I did she went under the radar so well as a secret traitor, then blew her own cover for no real reason other than getting big for her boots!

10 hours ago, HarryInnanen said:

I dont think James was outright bad persomally, he did what your mind to do blend in as a faithful so you remain undetected. I unxerstand why he wasnt a team player though.

Yeah I think he did well to blend in as a faithful but he was like Fiona in that he wasn't a team player. Kind of feel he shouldn't have gone on the show tbh, but I guess you don't know how you're going to find it mentally before going on it. In theory I'd love to do the Traitors, in reality I'd probably have a break down.

So got to give him his dues definitely. ❤️

19 Andrew Jenkins

The Traitors Series 2

Episodes: 8-12

Placement: 4th

At this point I already don't think anyone left is outright bad, but we're in a section now of traitors who still didn't have a great deal of agency. Andrew was recruited by Harry and Paul following the banishment of Miles. Despite some suspicions as a faithful, Andrew wasn't one of the most prominent players and largely felt like an under the radar contestant, so on paper, quite a good pick for traitor. Once he knew the identities of the traitors, though, Andrew began fearing he'd be thrown under the bus much like Ash and Miles were. Paul didn't last much longer, and Andrew became Harry's right hand man, making it all the way to the final. Unfortunately, with trust fracturing between Harry and Andrew, it was Andrew who became the final traitor banished at the endgame. Andrew isn't a traitor that stands out in my mind because I don't feel he had any particularly great moves, but he lands above the previous bunch because he also wasn't actively bad in any regard. He hid in plain sight mostly well, but in a volatile turret like series 2, trust was thin on the ground and it was hard to compete with someone who played as well as Harry. A mostly unremarkable traitor who I mostly think of as Harry's henchman more than anything else, but not terrible.

17 minutes ago, JosephStyles said:

19 Andrew Jenkins

The Traitors Series 2

Episodes: 8-12

Placement: 4th

At this point I already don't think anyone left is outright bad, but we're in a section now of traitors who still didn't have a great deal of agency. Andrew was recruited by Harry and Paul following the banishment of Miles. Despite some suspicions as a faithful, Andrew wasn't one of the most prominent players and largely felt like an under the radar contestant, so on paper, quite a good pick for traitor. Once he knew the identities of the traitors, though, Andrew began fearing he'd be thrown under the bus much like Ash and Miles were. Paul didn't last much longer, and Andrew became Harry's right hand man, making it all the way to the final. Unfortunately, with trust fracturing between Harry and Andrew, it was Andrew who became the final traitor banished at the endgame. Andrew isn't a traitor that stands out in my mind because I don't feel he had any particularly great moves, but he lands above the previous bunch because he also wasn't actively bad in any regard. He hid in plain sight mostly well, but in a volatile turret like series 2, trust was thin on the ground and it was hard to compete with someone who played as well as Harry. A mostly unremarkable traitor who I mostly think of as Harry's henchman more than anything else, but not terrible.

Not another traitor I had forgotten about! He gave us those questionable shower scenes too didn't he? Was he the first one to do so? 😂🤣

18 Kieran Tompsett

The Traitors Series 1

Episodes: 11-12

Placement: 5th

I view Kieran quite similarly to Andrew in the sense that he was something of a passenger in an original traitor's endgame plan, but Kieran ranks just a tiny bit higher for me despite a very late recruitment! Kieran's journey was bumpy from the start - he was banished from the game before they'd even stepped foot in the castle, for deeming himself (and fellow faithful Amos) the least likely to win the game. He returned as part of a twist and remained relatively under the radar all the way through to the beginning of the penultimate episode, where he was issued an ultimatum - join as a traitor, or be murdered. He, of course, joined the traitor team alongside Wilf, though he wasn't particularly keen to do so. What differentiates Kieran from Andrew is that Kieran wasn't ever blinded by Wilf, even though he ultimately couldn't outplay him, and Kieran was banished at the final roundtable, thanks to seeds Wilf had sown. Kieran didn't have much time to impact as a traitor, but I think he could've been a good team player had he been there from the start. Although Wilf seemed to be one step ahead at all times, Kieran's final remark - a "parting gift" in the form of a vote for Wilf at the roundtable - was a consequence Wilf hadn't foreseen, and his backstabbing of his fellow traitors finally caught up to him. Some think this move isn't in the spirit of the game, but Kieran wasn't stupid and I think managing your game relationships is a key element of The Traitors, especially as a traitor, and Wilf had completely neglected that with Kieran.

Parting gift was such moment I dont even care if it was not in the spirit of the game

5 minutes ago, HarryInnanen said:

Parting gift was such moment I dont even care if it was not in the spirit of the game

It remains one of my favourite moments on the show!

I think Joseph got it right in what he said about how the relationships you form with your fellow traitors are also important and Wilf forgot / neglected that in his single vision to win. He was too instrumental in taking down the others for anyone to trust him fully and then doing the same at the end, he deserved his parting gift!

Basically I’ll never forgive him for what he did to Amanda! 😭

Edited Sunday at 17:332 days by Spiceboy

Utter rot, I think you need to play these things with a modicum of decency and respect for the rules, to not intentionally sway the game beyond your absence, and the time for Kieran to round on Wilf was before he was gone and about to be revealed as a Traitor. Kieran always came across as very slimy and I hated that, and that 'parting gift' felt more like him throwing a tantrum at leaving than care for how the game would go or an attempt to save his own identity. It singlehandedly costing a very good Traitor the win and gifting it to some very unremarkable Faithfuls is a black mark on the first series.

Might have put him at the very bottom.

16 minutes ago, Iz様 🌟 said:

Utter rot, I think you need to play these things with a modicum of decency and respect for the rules, to not intentionally sway the game beyond your absence, and the time for Kieran to round on Wilf was before he was gone and about to be revealed as a Traitor. Kieran always came across as very slimy and I hated that, and that 'parting gift' felt more like him throwing a tantrum at leaving than care for how the game would go or an attempt to save his own identity. It singlehandedly costing a very good Traitor the win and gifting it to some very unremarkable Faithfuls is a black mark on the first series.

Might have put him at the very bottom.

I don't feel like you really shared how you felt here! 🤭 😂 ❤️

James A was a tough one - I did think he played very well at first as a kind of reluctant but chilled traitor that went completely undetected, and the blindfold task I don't feel was the best thought through so almost don't blame him so much for that and the MIPS was well done, but...it's just not fun to watch when they clearly don't wanna be there, there were times I almost wanted to just shake him and say 'you are aware you signed up for a show where you're not guaranteed to be your intended allegiance right?', the cards dealt him a traitor and he should've just got over it, saying that, I think there was a lot more we didn't see that was edited out that felt like this was the cleanest they could've shown that allowed him to go on his own terms. It's just a shame they didn't go with Amol really, definitely a learning curve for the show I guess going forward, where we'll hopefully get people that actually want to be there.

Personally, I thought Wilf was a good traitor that got too big for his boots (more on him later), so Kieran's parting gift was a pretty funny late derailment.

17 Hannah Fry

The Celebrity Traitors Series 2

Episodes: 3-5

Placement: 15th

This is one where I have to remember I'm voting on what actually happened, not what could have been! Either way, Professor Hannah Fry's time as a traitor was a tricky one, for reasons outside of her own doing. After the whole Richard debacle, Maya Jama and James Acaster tried to regroup by recruiting Hannah, a smart move on paper, though the timing couldn't have been worse - Hannah was one of only two on a murder shortlist, so eyes were already going to be on her and Jerry Hall when they both returned at breakfast the next morning, regardless of her being recruited. All of Hannah's detective work as a faithful went out the window and she immediately had to play defence. I don't think Hannah actually played that badly as a traitor, she certainly found her feet by the time she got banished, and I think she could have been an excellent traitor, but the circumstances were just too stacked against her, and a couple of errors were amplified by the fact eyes were already on her following the non-murder. She gets points for clearly being a team player and having the right idea when it came to strategy, she just didn't get much of a chance to get stuck in the way I'd have loved her to!

3 hours ago, HarryInnanen said:

Parting gift was such moment I dont even care if it was not in the spirit of the game

Agreed - that whole Series 1 final was such amazing tv.

Although Meryl was a fairly pointless passenger who was dragged to the win by Hannah and Aaron - she even chose to end the game before banishing Wilf 🤣

16 Paul Gorton

The Traitors Series 2

Episodes: 1-8

Placement: 11th

One of the original traitor team of series 2, Paul was a dominant voice in and out of the turret. Confident or arrogant? I'd probably lean towards the latter at times! Paul was a part of what felt a bit like a "boys club" turret, with Ash's early banishment and every subsequent recruitment being a man. Amongst the faithful, Paul appeared to go mostly unnoticed for a while, with the exception of Jaz (aka Jazatha Christie, of course). Paul's bravado continued when he was voted "most popular", and used that as justification for placing himself as one of the four players sent into the dungeon, effectively on a murder shortlist. Though this backfired more on Ash than it did on Paul, it still later came back to bite him, but not before throwing fellow traitor Miles under the bus. Ultimately, Paul was banished one roundtable later. As a personality, I wouldn't rank Paul so high, I didn't find him easy to warm to! As a traitor, he played very well to begin with, and I have to credit that. His arrogance got the better of him later on and throwing a traitor under the bus is a move that's difficult to pull off, which Harry himself actually managed after delivering the killer blow at Paul's final roundtable!