I do sort of share that view ^^ there's so much that people can't/shouldn't do, that like you say, if they do it, it becomes a Badge of Honour among them ... it's cool not to do what's right, which spills over.'

 

But yes, that's not really a whole lot different to many other places :|

Edited April 18, 200718 yr by Andrewy

One word to describe the Uk - PUSHOVER

 

Chavs/Voilent People attack people, take drugs, underage sex etc. and what happens to them? NOTHING, in fact, alot of the time they get SUPPORT! Council House, money comming through, they're living EASY these people are.

Exactly. Every country has laws.

Every European country has a minimum age of consent or a minimum age for drinking alcohol. And I'd guess it's illegal to smash windows in every European country.

 

 

 

 

O, don't get me started, I've had eggs thrown on my windows, bricks over the fence, as my back garden lies on the side of the road, usually my kids want to play in the garden but I don't let them no more, society today is getting worse, they have no manners, its the parents you have to blame for their upbringing, and I saw a kid on top of a bottle bank playing about he slip, and all his friends run off and didn't tell anyone, poor kid was rushed to hospital, cuts and bruises.

OK. Just off the top of my head (take your pick from any of the following)-

 

 

 

 

- High teenage pregnancy. Immature girls having kids when they have no parenting skills.

- Easy availability of social housing for pregnant teenage girls. Getting pregnant is seen as a 'career choice' for many.

- Breakdown of the family.

- Lack of positive male role models (absent fathers)

- Mothers with ever changing boyfriends.

- The UK Social Security System as it currently stands

- Cheap alcohol

- UK tabloid press/Reality TV shows that 'glamourise' idiocy ( Jade Goody etc etc) and make 'stars' of nonentities (WAGS anyone?)

- Selfish parents who think buying their kids expensive toys equates to 'love' but who won't spend 10 minutes with them reading a book.

- Parents who take the easy option and won't say 'NO' to their children

- A complete joke of a criminal justice system.

- No police on the streets.

- Latchkey kids (yes Vic, to an extent I agree)

- Too many middle class liberals making decisions on working class tearaways.

- The 'Something for Nothing World Owes Me A Living' culture

 

 

And no doubt tons of other ones....

OK. Just off the top of my head (take your pick from any of the following)-

- High teenage pregnancy. Immature girls having kids when they have no parenting skills.

- Easy availability of social housing for pregnant teenage girls. Getting pregnant is seen as a 'career choice' for many.

- Breakdown of the family.

- Lack of positive male role models (absent fathers)

- Mothers with ever changing boyfriends.

- The UK Social Security System as it currently stands

- Cheap alcohol

- UK tabloid press/Reality TV shows that 'glamourise' idiocy ( Jade Goody etc etc) and make 'stars' of nonentities (WAGS anyone?)

- Selfish parents who think buying their kids expensive toys equates to 'love' but who won't spend 10 minutes with them reading a book.

- Parents who take the easy option and won't say 'NO' to their children

- A complete joke of a criminal justice system.

- No police on the streets.

- Latchkey kids (yes Vic, to an extent I agree)

- Too many middle class liberals making decisions on working class tearaways.

- The 'Something for Nothing World Owes Me A Living' culture

And no doubt tons of other ones....

 

Can't argue with any of those Mary I think you have hit the nail on the head

 

But while I don't want to go off topic I would add :

 

Human Rights Act from Brussels that gives far too much power to criminals and chavs and not enough to police and gives less power to parents and police and teachers to discipline

 

The Childline culture - "you buy me a PS3 or I will tell Childline you abused me" I have seen with my own eyes kids threaten to report parents to Childline if they don't get their own way

 

The abolition of the cane from school

Edited April 18, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

The abolition of the cane from school

*resists saying the same thing again* -_-

 

I'd beat the $h!t out of them if a teacher did that to my child, "Oh he was slightly disruptive so the solution is to assault him" If they brought that back then it should also be legal to punch someone in the face too. Why should teachers get that power? They already think they have power that they don't have anyway.

 

Everything was fine after the cane was abolished anyway.

 

Oh hang on I'm going into it all again :lol:

*resists saying the same thing again* -_-

 

I'd beat the $h!t out of them if a teacher did that to my child, "Oh he was slightly disruptive so the solution is to assault him" If they brought that back then it should also be legal to punch someone in the face too. Why should teachers get that power? They already think they have power that they don't have anyway.

 

Everything was fine after the cane was abolished anyway.

 

Oh hang on I'm going into it all again :lol:

 

Bullying and violence and disruption was almost non existent at my schools I went to and schools my brother went to and we went to schools in some rough areas and the main reason for that was the cane, or fear of the cane, I saw so called "hard" kids quivering with fear outside headmasters study because they were awaiting the cane for backchatting a teacher or being rude or whatever, I got caned for smoking and the waiting to be called in was a scary experience, but the cane was rife in schools in my generation and the generation before that and crime and anti social misbehaviour by kids was much lower than it is now, can't be a co-incidence

 

Schools need more Mr Bronson's

The cane would never be brought back as too many disagree with it.

*resists saying the same thing again* -_-

 

I'd beat the $h!t out of them if a teacher did that to my child, "Oh he was slightly disruptive so the solution is to assault him" If they brought that back then it should also be legal to punch someone in the face too. Why should teachers get that power? They already think they have power that they don't have anyway.Everything was fine after the cane was abolished anyway.

 

Oh hang on I'm going into it all again :lol:

 

 

what power???

Bullying and violence and disruption was almost non existent at my schools I went to and schools my brother went to and we went to schools in some rough areas and the main reason for that was the cane, or fear of the cane, I saw so called "hard" kids quivering with fear outside headmasters study because they were awaiting the cane for backchatting a teacher or being rude or whatever, I got caned for smoking and the waiting to be called in was a scary experience, but the cane was rife in schools in my generation and the generation before that and crime and anti social misbehaviour by kids was much lower than it is now, can't be a co-incidence

 

Schools need more Mr Bronson's

 

Totally agree... With the threat of Corporal Punishment you knew that there was a line you didn't cross.. When it was taken away, I was still actually at school, and I definitely noticed a difference, kids just started to get a bit more out of order cos they knew they could kind of get away with it... Now, it's almost fukkin' ANARCHY in the classroom...

 

OK. Just off the top of my head (take your pick from any of the following)-

- High teenage pregnancy. Immature girls having kids when they have no parenting skills.

- Easy availability of social housing for pregnant teenage girls. Getting pregnant is seen as a 'career choice' for many.

- Breakdown of the family.

- Lack of positive male role models (absent fathers)

- Mothers with ever changing boyfriends.

- The UK Social Security System as it currently stands

- Cheap alcohol

- UK tabloid press/Reality TV shows that 'glamourise' idiocy ( Jade Goody etc etc) and make 'stars' of nonentities (WAGS anyone?)

- Selfish parents who think buying their kids expensive toys equates to 'love' but who won't spend 10 minutes with them reading a book.

- Parents who take the easy option and won't say 'NO' to their children

- A complete joke of a criminal justice system.

- No police on the streets.

- Latchkey kids (yes Vic, to an extent I agree)

- Too many middle class liberals making decisions on working class tearaways.

- The 'Something for Nothing World Owes Me A Living' culture

And no doubt tons of other ones....

 

A good list there mate.. Although, I had my own key to let myself in when I was around 12/13, my folks had to work, being working class and all... I reckon that having my own key actually taught me a bit of responsibility tbh.... But maybe that's just me....

 

Kids have to be taught that there are parameters, basically kids up until they hit adolescence operate totally on the "Pleasure Principle" - ie, 'I want it, I'm going to have it'... There is no development of a "Superego" until adolescence, when kids realise that there are consequences and that others have to be taken into consideration.. If kids are not taught those parameters and have their "Pleasure Principle" continually indulged by feckless, idiotic parents, then you get Chavs and other anti-social types, and in extreme cases Sociopaths and Psychopaths.. I know I'm gonna get killed for saying this, but really, it's not that much more different to training a dog... Dogs are all about "Pleasure Principle" as well (of course dogs never do actually develop a "Superego" as humans do..), no one would let a dog get everything it wants.. If you look at progs like "Supernanny" or "It's Me Or The Dog", you'll see quite similar types of disruptive and destructive behaviours by uncontrolled children and uncontrolled dogs... The methods and approaches by which to remedy these problems are different, but the actual disruption itself is really not all that different, it still causes the same upset and stress....

But why are UK parents different in that respect? What is causing them to be different from German, Norwegian, Polish parents? :unsure:

 

Well, Polish parents for a start still have this strict sense of disciplining kids, there's none of this "dont smack your kids" PC bollocks in Poland... No hand-wringing Middle-Class PC liberals lecturing parents how they should or shouldn't bring up their kids... In fact, in Poland there is very little instances of teen pregnancy either....

A good list there mate.. Although, I had my own key to let myself in when I was around 12/13, my folks had to work, being working class and all... I reckon that having my own key actually taught me a bit of responsibility tbh.... But maybe that's just me....

 

That's the same for me and my brother.

That's the same for me and my brother.

 

I added an addendum to that post....

 

Your brother is responsible???? He certainly doesn't show it on this site.... I wouldn't let him anywhere near a housekey... :lol: :lol:

 

I added an addendum to that post....

 

Your brother is responsible???? He certainly doesn't show it on this site.... I wouldn't let him anywhere near a housekey... :lol: :lol:

 

Well maybe not lol but I meant we are in the same situation, our mum is at work when he gets home so he needs his own key anyway.