Prince album 'should enter chart'

Planet Earth is Prince's 24th studio album

BBC Entertainment News

 

A newspaper is calling for a change to chart rules to allow Prince's new CD, which is being given away in the Mail on Sunday, to enter the album charts.

Planet Earth, a covermount in Sunday's Mail, is being "penalised" for being the first album to be launched in a paper, says the publication's manager.

 

Stephen Miron has written to the Official Charts Company, saying he is prepared to consider legal action.

 

Full story here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6897869.stm

 

Do you think Prince's new album bought only with the Daily Mail should count in the album chart or not?

Normally, I would say no.

 

But seeing how on Monday the musically bankrupt latest Simon Cowell SYCO releases the debut album by Britain's Got Talent winner Paul Potts featuring most of the same tracks featured on the debut album by another of Simon Cowell's acts Il Divo then I change my mind and say Yes.

 

On a serious note I'm starting to wonder whether the best way (and fairer way) to count sales of singles & albums should be not by units but by the amount of income £ grossed, as used by film takings. So a physically single bought for £1.99 counts for more than a download bought for £0.79 and the same should apply to CD album sales.

 

What do you think?

i Would Say Yes in general.

but i say NO because,i don't know how many copies sold that paper..but the sales will be high for sure.

i hate see an album at n.1 with 200k only beaouse is gratis..is no sense for chart.

maybe this album will sold over 1m..but nobody remember it for the songs..ok i now Prince was good etc, but is like that an indie band that put his cd gratis on a paper and sold 1m but nobody have listen the song of the album.

chart is usefull to see the success of an album...Prince album instead make it not a question of success but a question of price..

in this sense i don't like also the "nice-price" or "middle-price".

 

if the paper was free with the album, yes. but no cos people who want the paper will have to have the album which i think doesn't sow how popular the album is. if prince wanted to get into the charts he would have released the album properly instead of having this terrible publicity stunt.

I buy this paper every couple week. It'd make no difference to me if a freebie is with it, so, no I don't think it should be counted. Whatever they think, I'd be buying a paper not a cd.

i think prince just want to sold a lot more copies than if he released it at 20€..

so he could say "the new album doesnt' flop" :mellow:

Go on OCC, stand your ground :ph34r: Why should they make exceptions for some albums that break chart rules and not others?

might buy the paper 2mora now. how much is it?

Prince's new album, which will be distributed in approximately 2.9m copies of the Mail on Sunday this weekend, "falls out of those parameters", according to Mr Miron.

 

So he would sell nearly 3 million copies in one week???

Of course it should'nt be allowed. It would be completelly ridiculous. Most people who will buy the paper are not buying it for the album, therefor they are not genuine purchases at all. Apperently the Mail On Sunday has spend near $1.5m on advertising for this. Why do they care if it charts or not anyway? Once they sell their papers then it should'nt matter. -_-

 

It would make a total joke out of the charts if they counted all 3m sales and then added in the amount it will sell in the shops next week (which should'nt be many) for it to be #1. The whole thing is a total joke :lol:

For £1.40, you might as well buy a bundle, and sell the CD on ebay for 9.99 each, you make a mint, especially American buyers.

I discussed this matter with The OCC on the 'phone.

they told me that the 'Mail on Sunday' has written to them,

asking for the Prince CD to be allowed to Chart. The OCC made

it clear to me, that there is no way that this is going to happen.

 

They see the free CD as a 'Loss Leader' - a Promotion for the 'Paper,

that it will not make any money from. They have paid Prince £500,000

for his CD, (almost $1,020,000), & it is expected that they will make a loss

of £250,000 on the deal - over $500,000.

 

The 'Paper only costs £1.40, & even if the CD were to be sold at that price

on its own in the Shops, it would not be able to Chart, as £1.40 is far below

the minimum price that an Album can Chart at. (It may even be too cheap

to qualify for the Budget Album Chart).

 

The OCC sees the Sales of the 'Mail On Sunday' tomorrow, as Sales of

the 'Paper only - and not of the CD. It does not matter if the 'Paper sells

all 2.8 Million to 2.9 Million copies tomorrow - not one of those Sales will

be counted as Sales of the Prince CD.

 

The 'Paper usually sells about 2.3 Million to 2.4 Million anyhow, so even

if all tomorrow's copies are sold, 'only' about 400,000 to 600,000 of those

'extra' buyers will have bought it for the Prince CD - the rest would still be

buying the 'Paper if it had no Prince CD in it at all.

 

I think that it is 100% right of The OCC to refuse to count them as Sales

of the Prince CD. If they were to count them, it would make the Prince

CD somewhere between the 22nd & 17th Best Selling Album Of All Time,

in the UK - just because it was given away in a 'Paper! Stupid! It would

not really have earned that place in the all time UK Top 100. It is right that

its Sales should not be counted.

 

As regards the Paul Potts Album - it has an unimaginative Track List

because Simon Cowell is behind it. He cannot even choose 10 Tracks

for an Album without using Tracks that other Acts he is connected with

have also used - Westlife, Il Divo, & Ray Quinn. Cowell is a joke. He

uses 'Talent Shows' to get a lot of attention for the Winner, then gets

them to Cover old Songs, then makes a lot of cash from that first

Album - then he dumps the Act, if their 2nd Album does not do very well.

 

He is laughing at the UK Public - for falling for it time & time again.

Far from being put on a pedastal as a 'Pop Expert', he deserves to be

buried under 50 Tons of Pig Manure! I am only surprised that he has

fooled so many people for so long.......

Edited July 14, 200717 yr by zeus555

For £1.40, you might as well buy a bundle, and sell the CD on ebay for 9.99 each, you make a mint, especially American buyers.

But surely American buyers will just buy the cd in AMERICA?! Where CDs are cheaper than here anyway AND they wouldn't have to pay postage across the Atlantic! It will be rare that you make a profit on it. And if you do, it'll be tiny. 100% maybe. But nothing more...

As regards the Paul Potts Album - it has an unimaginative Track List

because Simon Cowell is behind it. He cannot even choose 10 Tracks

for an Album without using Tracks that other Acts he is connected with

have also used - Westlife, Il Divo, & Ray Quinn. Cowell is a joke. He

uses 'Talent Shows' to get a lot of attention for the Winner, then gets

them to Cover old Songs, then makes a lot of cash from that first

Album - then he dumps the Act, if their 2nd Album does not do very well.

 

He is laughing at the UK Public - for falling for it time & time again.

Far from being put on a pedastal as a 'Pop Expert', he deserves to be

buried under 50 Tons of Pig Manure! I am only surprised that he has

fooled so many people for so long.......

 

I totally agree.

 

I bet if Charley from BB8 had a singing voice he would be first in the queue to sign her up to his record company.

 

This is nothing new from Prince, all the publicity stunts in the US with his "3121" helped it to make it no 1 and sell quite decently. I just wonder how many of his fans were happy that they were forced 2 buy the album twice (when it was released as fans usually do and then they were forced to buy it again if they wanted a concert ticket for his tour - the album and the ticket were sold together and those sales did count towards Billboard's album chart. That's why the album had a somewhat erratic chart run since whenever there was a big concert(s), the album surged up the chart). And there was also that contest with seven hidden tickets inside the cd packages (to see Prince's private show in his home). So, since it seems that Prince is totally unable to score hit singles with airplay that would help the albums to have durability he must go to extremes to avoid the embarrasments that some of his peers have suffered in the recent years. Maybe next time he will pay the record-buying public to get them buy his album...

It should'nt be allowed... some people might buy the paper and just chuck the album away because it isn't the reason why they bought the paper.. so technically it isn't even an album sale..

The 'Paper only costs £1.40, & even if the CD were to be sold at that price

on its own in the Shops, it would not be able to Chart, as £1.40 is far below

the minimum price that an Album can Chart at. (It may even be too cheap

to qualify for the Budget Album Chart).

 

Tht's not quite true - you can sell albums for 1p and they can chart

 

its dealer price that determines chart eligibilty not retail price

 

As for the OCC changing the rules, the Mail On Sunday has no intention of getting the rules changed its merely raising publicity for the giveaway

This is nothing new from Prince, all the publicity stunts in the US with his "3121" helped it to make it no 1 and sell quite decently. I just wonder how many of his fans were happy that they were forced 2 buy the album twice (when it was released as fans usually do and then they were forced to buy it again if they wanted a concert ticket for his tour - the album and the ticket were sold together and those sales did count towards Billboard's album chart. That's why the album had a somewhat erratic chart run since whenever there was a big concert(s), the album surged up the chart). And there was also that contest with seven hidden tickets inside the cd packages (to see Prince's private show in his home). So, since it seems that Prince is totally unable to score hit singles with airplay that would help the albums to have durability he must go to extremes to avoid the embarrasments that some of his peers have suffered in the recent years. Maybe next time he will pay the record-buying public to get them buy his album...

 

your wrong.

 

it was 2004's Musicology that was given with the tickets

Hello,

ManicKangaroo, thanks for your reply, regarding it being

Dealer cost that decides if a CD can Chart, & not its Retail cost.

 

As the Prince CD is not costing the Dealer, ('Paper), much at

all, (& they are losing money on the Deal), it means that even

from that angle, the Prince CD has no right to Chart.

 

It may well be that the 'Paper is raising a, (fake?), threat of Legal Action

in order to get Publicity for the free CD, but they have done themselves

no favours, as their offer has managed to infuriate much of the UK Music

Industry, as well as The OCC - I got the impression that they held the 'Paper

in great ridicule, & contempt, when I spoke to them, (OCC), on the 'phone,

about this matter.

 

In the meantime, in yesterday's 'Sun', they were Advertising today's

'News Of The World', (they are 'sister' 'Papers), & the Advert said that

the 'NOTW' has a Prince CD 'Giveaway' today. I have just seen the

'Paper, & all they are doing is giving away 1,000 copies of the 'Purple

Rain' CD, & even then you have to enter a Competition to have a

chance to Win one! Big Deal!!!!! Somehow, I suspect that they see this

as their attempt to rival the 'Mail On Sunday''s Prince offer - except

that 'Paper has his new CD in all 2.8 Million to 2.9 Million copies!

 

Also, if we start counting free CD's towards the Charts, & All Time UK Sales,

then, 'Tubular Bells', by Mike Oldfield would be THE All Time Best Selling

Album, in the UK. It was the 28th Best Seller, but add in its 'Sales' in the

'Mail On Sunday', earlier in 2007, & it just about jumps from 28th place,

to 1st place, in the Top 100 - overtaking The Beatles, (2nd), & Queen, (1st).

 

That is assuming that the, 'Mail On Sunday', printed 2.8 Million to 2.9 Million

copies, of the issue with the, 'Tubular Bells', CD in it. Even if they 'only' printed

their usual 2.3 Million to 2.4 Million copies that Week, the CD would still jump to

2nd place in the All Time Top 100. Once you start counting Sales of free CD's

in 'Papers, as CD Sales, then all kinds of stupid things start happening, as

regards all Time UK Album Sales, & Statistics like, 'The Fastest Selling CD

Ever In The UK'......

Edited July 15, 200717 yr by zeus555

Hello,

ManicKangaroo, thanks for your reply, regarding it being

Dealer cost that decides if a CD can Chart, & not its Retail cost.

 

As the Prince CD is not costing the Dealer, ('Paper), much at

all, (& they are losing money on the Deal), it means that even

from that angle, the Prince CD has no right to Chart.

 

I was merely correcting your erroneous information ;)

 

I know (and agree) that it has no right to chart