a young girl was raped in the grounds of my university very recently. :mellow: its really bad to think the a few hundred meters away this poor girl was going through hell and i was fast asleep

Don't you think there are three types of rape, and their serious is not equal, there is the rape where a person is attacked and forced under the threat of violence to have sex.

this in my opinion is the worst kind of rape and deserves strong punishment.

 

Then there is the type where a person is date raped..... this can be broken down into two types too, one when they do not consent to sex at any stage and are forced, and the second where they consents to sex and then change their mind.

 

The first of these is also serious, but the second of these is less serious and the person does have to take responsibility for their actions that lead to the rape, yes people have the right to say no at any stage, but they also have to be responsible about the situations they put themselves in.

 

That is why rape convictions are hard to get, because most rapes fall into the last catergory, and most people do believe in the 'victim' being partially responsible for their rape, and unwilling to send someone to jail for a long period because of this.

 

But at no point should there ever be a discussion on what the 'victim' was wearing as this never justifies a rape, and what right minded person can truthfully argue that someone deserves something because of what they were wearing?

 

But at no point should there ever be a discussion on what the 'victim' was wearing as this never justifies a rape, and what right minded person can truthfully argue that someone deserves something because of what they were wearing?

 

but thats absolving all responibility from the female, if they dress in next to nothing it sends out the message that they are 'up for it', which in this imperfect world MIGHT contribute towards an attack. im NOT saying that they deserve it, but in those cases they have contributed. you cant dress like a tart then complain if you get treated like one!!!!

 

question..... when you leave your house, or car, do you lock it?... do you hide valuables out of sight?.. thats being responsible as you dont want to invite crime.

but thats absolving all responibility from the female, if they dress in next to nothing it sends out the message that they are 'up for it', which in this imperfect world MIGHT contribute towards an attack. im NOT saying that they deserve it, but in those cases they have contributed. you cant dress like a tart then complain if you get treated like one!!!!

 

question..... when you leave your house, or car, do you lock it?... do you hide valuables out of sight?.. thats being responsible as you dont want to invite crime.

 

I think you are generalising a bit there Rob, for example nightclubs, I detest the places but they are extremely hot and sweaty places and then there is like dancing and so on which is a very tiring heat inducing activity so it is natural that clubbers particularly female are going to wear as little as they can get away with, not because it is slutty but because it is so bloody hot in the club and on the dancefloor. You can't expect girls in clubs to be wearing 2 piece trouser suits and so on

Edited November 15, 200717 yr by Vic Vega

I think you are generalising a bit there Rob, for example nightclubs, I detest the places but they are extremely hot and sweaty places and then there is like dancing and so on which is a very tiring heat inducing activity so it is natural that clubbers particularly female are going to wear as little as they can get away with, not because it is slutty but because it is so bloody hot in the club and on the dancefloor. You can't expect girls in clubs to be wearing 2 piece trouser suits and so on

 

true, but they dont need to get their t*ts out or wear skirts so short that they show their genetalia off to do that...blokes dont! and i was talking about reasonable dress, girls dont have to 'show all' in order to look attractive, sexy and cool!

 

of course possibly most rapes are not committed on girls who have just been out on the town..i dont know.. and im guessing that most rapeists would do it anyway as their urges are too strong to control.

I think you are generalising a bit there Rob, for example nightclubs, I detest the places but they are extremely hot and sweaty places and then there is like dancing and so on which is a very tiring heat inducing activity so it is natural that clubbers particularly female are going to wear as little as they can get away with, not because it is slutty but because it is so bloody hot in the club and on the dancefloor. You can't expect girls in clubs to be wearing 2 piece trouser suits and so on

 

I don't think that's true TBH, coming from Blackpool you see all sorts, when I go out to Clubs I wear trousers with what ever and I make a fool out of myself by dancing, I get hot that don't mean I'm going to strip down to my knickers and go out wearing next to nothing next time. People dress how they want to dress, I don't care I don't want attention but some of these women do and they do want to look as cheap and slaggy as posible.

 

 

if they dress in next to nothing it sends out the message that they are 'up for it', which in this imperfect world MIGHT contribute towards an attack. im NOT saying that they deserve it, but in those cases they have contributed. you cant dress like a tart then complain if you get treated like one!!!!

 

What an absolutely sweeping generalisation that is..... Frankly, I find that statement both offensive and shocking tbh.... Okay, some of these girls who dress in that way might be "up for it", but only "up for it" for the person they actually choose to be "up for it" with, not some inadequate prick who cant control his hormones and the only way he can get off with a girl is to rape them.... No means NO, and that is something that blokes have got to learn.... You're making feeble excuses for totally unnacceptable behaviour... Go to a Goth or Fetish club sometime, the girls and blokes there ALL dress in tight, revealing, sexy outfits... You know what, NO RAPES OR SEXUAL ASSAULTS OCCUR.... You know why...? BECAUSE WE CAN FUKKIN WELL CONTROL OURSELVES.....

What an absolutely sweeping generalisation that is..... Frankly, I find that statement both offensive and shocking tbh.... Okay, some of these girls who dress in that way might be "up for it", but only "up for it" for the person they actually choose to be "up for it" with, not some inadequate prick who cant control his hormones and the only way he can get off with a girl is to rape them.... No means NO, and that is something that blokes have got to learn.... You're making feeble excuses for totally unnacceptable behaviour... Go to a Goth or Fetish club sometime, the girls and blokes there ALL dress in tight, revealing, sexy outfits... You know what, NO RAPES OR SEXUAL ASSAULTS OCCUR.... You know why...? BECAUSE WE CAN FUKKIN WELL CONTROL OURSELVES.....

 

i never made 'excuses' for assults, i gave a reason why some occur... apart from that i utterly agree with you.

What an absolutely sweeping generalisation that is..... Frankly, I find that statement both offensive and shocking tbh.... Okay, some of these girls who dress in that way might be "up for it", but only "up for it" for the person they actually choose to be "up for it" with, not some inadequate prick who cant control his hormones and the only way he can get off with a girl is to rape them.... No means NO, and that is something that blokes have got to learn.... You're making feeble excuses for totally unnacceptable behaviour... Go to a Goth or Fetish club sometime, the girls and blokes there ALL dress in tight, revealing, sexy outfits... You know what, NO RAPES OR SEXUAL ASSAULTS OCCUR.... You know why...? BECAUSE WE CAN FUKKIN WELL CONTROL OURSELVES.....

 

Or maybe we can adopt the same practise to rape that Muslims do, where the victims get punished with public lashings & imprisonment. As it will certainly help stop the victims coming forward. :angry:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7096814.stm

Or maybe we can adopt the same practise to rape that Muslims do, where the victims get punished with public lashings & imprisonment. As it will certainly help stop the victims coming forward. :angry:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7096814.stm

 

You think that just because in one or two ultra-authoritarian, fascist states that this sort of thing occurs that it's actually a feature of who Muslims as a people are?? Might I suggest you perhaps look to Turkey or Malaysia where sh"t like this doesn't happen....

 

And, by the way, we're propping up the Saudi regime, doing deals with them, kissing their leaders' arses, stopping inquiries into dubious business practices involving the Saudi State, bribes and british weapons manufacturers..... Our "wonderful Nu Labor govt", that people like you voted for...... <_< So maybe you should look to your own conscience the next time you go to a polling station and decide which box to mark with an X.....

but thats absolving all responibility from the female, if they dress in next to nothing it sends out the message that they are 'up for it', which in this imperfect world MIGHT contribute towards an attack. im NOT saying that they deserve it, but in those cases they have contributed. you cant dress like a tart then complain if you get treated like one!!!!

 

question..... when you leave your house, or car, do you lock it?... do you hide valuables out of sight?.. thats being responsible as you dont want to invite crime.

 

Say what! :mellow: :angry:

NO woman should have to take responsibility for getting raped, that's just ridiculous!

Even if a woman chooses to dress to a minimum that is never an excuse for rape.

I find your post really offensive and ignorant.

 

"Myth: Victims provoke sexual assaults when they dress provocatively or

act in a promiscuous manner.

 

Fact: Rape and sexual assault are crimes of violence and control that

stem from a person's determination to exercise power over another.

Neither provocative dress nor promiscuous behavior are invitations for

unwanted sexual activity. Forcing someone to engage in non-consensual

sexual activity is sexual assault, regardless of the way that person

dresses or acts.”

 

"Myth: Rape victims provoke the attack by wearing provocative clothing

 

A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only

4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part

of the victim.

 

- Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing.

 

- Victims range in age from days old to those in their nineties,

hardly provocative dressers."

 

Read This

 

 

 

Say what! :mellow: :angry:

NO woman should have to take responsibility for getting raped, that's just ridiculous!

Even if a woman chooses to dress to a minimum that is never an excuse for rape.

I find your post really offensive and ignorant.

 

"Myth: Victims provoke sexual assaults when they dress provocatively or

act in a promiscuous manner.

 

Fact: Rape and sexual assault are crimes of violence and control that

stem from a person's determination to exercise power over another.

Neither provocative dress nor promiscuous behavior are invitations for

unwanted sexual activity. Forcing someone to engage in non-consensual

sexual activity is sexual assault, regardless of the way that person

dresses or acts.”

 

"Myth: Rape victims provoke the attack by wearing provocative clothing

 

A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only

4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part

of the victim.

 

- Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing.

 

- Victims range in age from days old to those in their nineties,

hardly provocative dressers."

 

Read This

 

Spot on Seraph... Rape is a crime of violence and control, nothing to do with sex....

Say what! :mellow: :angry:

NO woman should have to take responsibility for getting raped, that's just ridiculous!

Even if a woman chooses to dress to a minimum that is never an excuse for rape.

I find your post really offensive and ignorant.

 

 

Read This

 

if you care to read what ive put then youd see that that is exactly what i said.

 

i have NOT made any excuse for it at all, there IS no excuse.

 

but you are foolish to believe that if a woman goes out dressed in next to nothing (their right...true) that they can do expecting men to IGNORE it... it doesnt work like that! i mean for christs sake, what signals does that send out? and whilst in an IDEAL world rape/ assult wouldnt exist...in the real world it does.... i dont believe that any woman could be that arrogant ...or stupid... or both.. as to not realise the effect theyll have IF they dress in next to nothing.

 

i know full well and have already said so, that MOST rapes/assults would happen regardless to who the victim is or what they are wearing.. thats not the issue im addressing.

Spot on Seraph... Rape is a crime of violence and control, nothing to do with sex....[b/]

 

:lol: so sex doesnt take place then... <_< for whatever reason.

:lol: so sex doesnt take place then... <_< for whatever reason.

 

Sex is used merely as a weapon... Like a gun or a knife....

 

Sex is used merely as a weapon... Like a gun or a knife....

 

well the chances are, ill never fully comprehend what a rape victim goes through so ill not say what is worse... a knifing, a thumping or a forced sex act...

a knifing, a thumping or a forced sex act...

 

A typical "thumping" is nothing, the bruises heal.. A knifing, so long as its not fatal, a victim can recover from... Rape causes intense psychological harm that stays with a victim for their whole life.... They survive a rape, but never really get over it, there are victims who'll suffer a rape as a teenager, manage to function perfectly okay for the most part, get married have kids; but then there are these moments, a random face in the crowd might remind her of her attacker, and all of a sudden she's back 20 years to that alleway where her attacker held a knife to her throat and forced himself on her, and she feels everything she felt back then... Tell me that aint a life sentence mate.... The victim of a beating up doesn't feel a punch in the face 20 years on, a victim of a stabbing doesn't feel the blade 20 years on.....

 

 

if you care to read what ive put then youd see that that is exactly what i said.

 

i have NOT made any excuse for it at all, there IS no excuse.

 

but you are foolish to believe that if a woman goes out dressed in next to nothing (their right...true) that they can do expecting men to IGNORE it... it doesnt work like that! i mean for christs sake, what signals does that send out? and whilst in an IDEAL world rape/ assult wouldnt exist...in the real world it does.... i dont believe that any woman could be that arrogant ...or stupid... or both.. as to not realise the effect theyll have IF they dress in next to nothing.

 

i know full well and have already said so, that MOST rapes/assults would happen regardless to who the victim is or what they are wearing.. thats not the issue im addressing.

But the logical extension of that argument is to say that a child who goes skinny-dipping is inviting sexual assault. Rape is wrong, period. Women should be allowed to wear what they please without fearing rape.

But the logical extension of that argument is to say that a child who goes skinny-dipping is inviting sexual assault. Rape is wrong, period. Women should be allowed to wear what they please without fearing rape.

 

*sigh* for the unpteenth time... IVE NEVER SAID RAPE IS RIGHT OR EXCUSABLE <_<

 

WE DO NOT LIVE IN AN IDEAL WORLD, get real here.... of COURSE anyone should be able to wear what they want, we should also be able to leave our cars/houses unlocked, money in full view, whatever... but we cant... why? because we dont live in utopia where everyones honorable, balanced, and decent. i think it is an act of great stupidity if a woman goes out dressed like a tart or whatever and is totally oblivious to the effect to the POTENTIAL effect it MIGHT have on certain members of society... and tbh i think its pretty sad that women need to feel like they have to dress in that way in order too attract a man.

 

and who would let their kid go 'skinny dipping'? :unsure:.

.......... you see, what really pisses me off is the way the values that we, the punk generation fought for and embraced, have been thrown out by the younger 'celeb culture' generation. whilst racism and homophobia are still on track to be regarded as unacceptable, sexism has turned round 180 degrees. whilst 25 years ago it was wrong to portray women as mere sex objects and second class citizens, it seems that (possibly since 'girl power' <_< ) its now ok for women to be portrayed in the media as 'sexy'... (although theve confused 'sexy' with 'slutty' <_< ).

 

id sooner see a society where women didnt feel they have to dress like a $l*t, revealing as much as they can, in order to be regarded as sexy or attractive to men. wether or not dress alone contributes to assult/rape cases is hard to guage... but id suggest its no co-incidence that sex related crimes are at an all time high, at the same time society is accepting of 'tart' culture.

 

im suggesting that all individuals should take responsability for their own actions. you dont leave a lap-top in your car... would you deserve to have it nicked?... no of course not, but you should be able too.. any one with any common sense wouldnt put temptation on full view. does a little old lady who dares to wander out at night deserve to get her pension nicked?... no, of course not, she should be able to walk the streets at any time of day in full confidence that she wont get robbed..... but in reality they dont go out, they dont put temptation in anyones way, it courts trouble even though it shouldnt!