First off oh my days Soulja Boy's amaze <3.

 

But yes, this topic does my head in SO much. Allow the fact that they were slaves historically, it's like the 22nd Century or something....I think they've had enough time to move on from it TBH.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on the bold sentence <_< ...

 

Slavery? Fine, I've gotten over it. So easy. Just like that. It was 200yrs ago...but then I click on a website and read that black people (I don't know about other races) are STILL being transported as slaves, I think to the Arabian countries. That's not 200yrs ago, that's today. It's not happening to me, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt.

 

I just looked on google to see if I was correct, and a jstor article called Black slavery in the twenty-first century came up. It said that black people have been enslaved for at least 1500yrs. How can you get over that?

 

Plus the effects of slavery are still within the black community today. E.g. a lot of dark skinned black men seek/would prefer a lighter skinned/white female (apparently on the plantations, the lighter skinned black people could work in the house instead of outside). I think most black women permanently straighten our naturally curly hair, a few do it to get closer to the "white ideal", using chemicals so now straighter hair is called "good hair" and curlier hair is called "bad hair" and there's some black women bleaching their skin to become whiter, risking death with every application. This killer skin bleach is probably being sold in shops/stores you go past all the time. A lot of black women try and pretend they have Indian/Native American/Chinese/White/whatever in their blood just so they won't be classed as black. Basically, slavery has made black people not want to be black. I guess "black racism" helps some of us vent our frustration, because we can get away with it most of the time.

 

Plus I personally come across black racism very little e.g. on black comedy shows the comedian might joke about there being only one white person in the audience. The white person laughs with everyone else because they know there's no malice in it whatsoever, especially when the comedian assures them that they don't really mean whatever insult and welcome them with everyone else. "White racism" happens ALL the time e.g. innocent black man gets gunned down by police the day before his wedding for no reason, black people tortured to force a false confession, a young black schoolboy's school turns against him because a racist child insulted him and the black boy's mother tried to have the racist punished, Damilola Taylor's case taking ages to solve unlike cases involving white children, Stephen Lawrence. It's scary. Assuming my children are black/mixed race, I hope the world is a better place in ten yrs so they grow old and die instead dying before they've even lived.

 

PS. Sorry if you felt I wrote a lot :unsure: , but this is a great topic!

 

 

Heard this argument before and still don't agree with it. The other eleven months are basically white history so if you took another month, you'd have the whole yr again. Plus America chose the shortest month out of them all. I'm sure 28/29 days out of 365/366 is nothing major.

 

Sorry, but that is pure bull$h!t. If you think that all eleven months are dedicated to white history, then I would like to see some proof. The fact is that there are many whites that have done just as good deeds as blacks , so why is there not an OFFICIAL month to celebrate them? Why would it seem racist/unneccesary if we dedicated a month to whites that have helped out others? I agree that slavery is totally wrong, but why do alot of African-Americans blame my generation for something that our ancestors MAY have did? And another thing is that my ancestors suffered just as much as alot of African-Americans did and they had to live in p*** poor conditions, but because there were other whites that owned slaves, they get housed in that same group of ignorant fools? This just a twisted circle of underlying racism that people in America have created from BOTH sides, and if you don't see it then you are blind.

Edited December 11, 200717 yr by Tyler

Sorry, but that is pure bull$h!t. If you think that all eleven months are dedicated to white history, then I would like to see some proof. The fact is that there are many whites that have done just as good deeds as blacks , so why is there not an OFFICIAL month to celebrate them? Why would it seem racist/unneccesary if we dedicated a month to whites that have helped out others? I agree that slavery is totally wrong, but why do alot of African-Americans blame my generation for something that our ancestors MAY have did? And another thing is that my ancestors suffered just as much as alot of African-Americans did and they had to live in p*** poor conditions, but because there were other whites that owned slaves, they get housed in that same group of ignorant fools? This just a twisted circle of underlying racism that people in America have created from BOTH sides, and if you don't see it then you are blind.

 

But Tyler, slavery isn't the half of it. Yes, slavery has been illegal for a century and a half, but desegregation of schools, the abolition of Jim Crow laws, comprehensive election standards to ensure blacks the opportunity to vote... all of this happened during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s-60s. And actually, systematic racism was rampant in many places until the 70s and 80s. It has only been since then that cultural institutions encouraging and celebrating African Americans have been instituted.

 

They should absolutely be supported. Young black kids need role models in their communities and the celebration of black history is a perfect way to teach them. No, you may not be racist, but your parents generation and every generation back (especially in Georgia, no offense) likely was. Thus the predominantly-black schools were underfunded and ignored, black neighborhoods were denied police protection in rural and urban areas, blacks were denied decent jobs and a decent education for GENERATIONS. This has doomed many of their kids to lives of poverty and disillusionment today.

 

I'm not saying it's your fault or mine. And I have no patience for radical blacks who have become overly entitled and demand "reparations" that they don't truly deserve. But let's face it, it wasn't the racist slave owner in 1845 who is to blame for many problems in the African American community today. It was the bus driver who kicked Rosa Parks out of her bus. It was the police who sprayed fire hydrants and unleashed dogs as peaceful Civil Rights protesters. It was the angry white kids held back by the National Guard so they wouldn't attack the innocent black girl just trying to enter a white school in Arkansas.

 

Look at this picture:

http://amcop.blogspot.com/little%20rock%20nine.JPG

 

One of the Little Rock 9, an innocent black girl just trying to go to school. Look at the white kids jeering and threatening her. Look at the National Guardsmen behind her. It is one of the most horrific, heart-wrenching depictions I've ever seen. And it happened only 50 years ago. Those white kids in that picture are quite possibly still alive. They could be your grandparents.

 

That is the history of African Americans in the US and we all need to confront it. Blacks and whites need to see that photograph and study it and understand what it means. That is why Black History month is essential.

Edited December 11, 200717 yr by Consie

By the way, it would be worth it to read the history of the Little Rock 9. The US Supreme Court desegregated schools, but Little Rock refused with the support of the governor of Arkansas. He sent the National Guard to keep the black kids out of the school. Eventually President Eisenhower had to step in, nationalize the guard so they'd follow his order instead of the governors, and force the school to let the kids in. But it didn't stop there. As you can imagine, they were abused and beaten, spat on in the hallways. One was expelled for dropping her lunch tray as a direct result of being intimidated by a gang of white boys taunting her. Later on, the entire school district, refusing to integrate blacks, closed every school in Little Rock for a year. The crisis lasted YEARS.

 

People in the south were unapologetically racist for DECADES, including politicians. When racism becomes so endemic and systematic, it has long-standing consequences. You think the poverty rates, the illiteracy rates, the crime rates, the HIV+ rates, the life expectancy rates, etc. among African Americans is because of the color of their skin? Absolutely not, it's because they have been abused, ignored, condemned, ghettoized for generations BY RACIST WHITE PEOPLE.

Sorry, I'm probably going to come across as an unenlightened moron here, but I refuse to see why white people today should still be taking the flak for our ancestor's behaviour. What would happen if we kept on attacking the Germans today as being Nazis?

It's just like how in America, the whole month of February is black-history month, which is cool and I have no problem with that. But if we had a month called white-history month there would be so much fuss on how that is racial...which is ridiculous.

 

I kinda have to disagree with that, pretty much all the American history you see portrayed in the media (films, TV, books) is from a white American perspective, very WASP-centric for the most part, it's only really been in the past 20 years that this balance has even begun to be redressed. Just to take one example, how many films have been made about or feature white political/historical figures such as Kennedy, Nixon, etc, and how many about black leaders such as Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson...? I can only think of one high profile film about a black political leader off the top of my head - Spike Lee's "Malcolm X"..

 

Sorry, I'm probably going to come across as an unenlightened moron here, but I refuse to see why white people today should still be taking the flak for our ancestor's behaviour. What would happen if we kept on attacking the Germans today as being Nazis?

 

Fukkin hell lol thats twice agreed with you in a matter of minutes :lol:

 

Being jewish extraction I have every reason to hate the Germans but in my case it is quite the opposite, I have been to Germany many times and have worked for a German company and find them great people, third only to the Dutch and the Finns in terms of Europeans I like, I can't be bothered holding grudges against German people because the current generation haven't killed any jews so they can't be held responsible for stuff that happened 2 or 3 generations ago

I kinda have to disagree with that, pretty much all the American history you see portrayed in the media (films, TV, books) is from a white American perspective, very WASP-centric for the most part, it's only really been in the past 20 years that this balance has even begun to be redressed. Just to take one example, how many films have been made about or feature white political/historical figures such as Kennedy, Nixon, etc, and how many about black leaders such as Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson...? I can only think of one high profile film about a black political leader off the top of my head - Spike Lee's "Malcolm X"..

 

........ not to mention hollywoods portrayal of native americans <_< . when i found out the TRUTH about the west, it made me extremely angry.... and i still am.

The word "Black" is all to often associated with negativity, conversely the word "white" is all too often associated with positivity... But I dont think changing the title of the thread would have been appropriate as it was in reference to a specific event...

 

i think thats a red herring, and its the sort of thinking that has got 'blackboards' re-named 'chalkboards'.... and has erased 'black sheep' from an innocent nursery rhyme.

 

theres plenty of 'heros' who dressed in black.... so to say its associated with negetivity is wrong.

 

zorro? the virginian? buck cannon (high chaparal), are just a few off the top of my head that dressed in black. rock heros too have dressed in black ever since 'teens' were formed as a group. black is cool...

 

finances.... in the black = good!

 

its a fcuking BLACKBOARD... why change it? can someone tell me why calling a blackboard is derogatory to black people? and wtf is wrong with the nursery rhyme 'baa baa black sheep'?... the rhyme does NOT depict the sheep in a negative way.... in fact the black sheep seems to be well capeable of supplying copious amounts of wool! nothing derisory there...

i think thats a red herring, and its the sort of thinking that has got 'blackboards' re-named 'chalkboards'.... and has erased 'black sheep' from an innocent nursery rhyme.

 

theres plenty of 'heros' who dressed in black.... so to say its associated with negetivity is wrong.

 

zorro? the virginian? buck cannon (high chaparal), are just a few off the top of my head that dressed in black. rock heros too have dressed in black ever since 'teens' were formed as a group. black is cool...

 

finances.... in the black = good!

 

Well, blackboards dont have any negative connotations, that's taking things to a pretty ridiculous degree I agree, and the "black sheep" of the family tends to be the most negative member, the one that gets cast out or disowned, so again negative connotations despite the "innocence" of the nursery rhyme..

 

And the other examples you're talking of here are quite few and far between... Rock/Metal Stars tended to be associated with devil worhip because they dressed in black... Jim Morrison was described as a "black-clad leather demon" by various commentators, Marilyn Manson is also regarded as a Satanist, the wholemythos surrounding the black American bluesman Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil at the crossroads is another example... So, it aint all positivity and roses in Rock world mate.... Wearing black is cool, sure, but to many people it's also a threat, witness what happened in high schools all across America after Columbine, they actually stopped kids from wearing black T-shirts FFS, Nah, nutters withGUNS didn't kill and injure dozens of kids, it was all the fault of T-shirts and coats..... Like somehow had they not been wearing black t-shirts that wouldv'e stopped them.... -_-

 

Nope, I dont agree, I think there are vastly more negative connotations involved with black than there is with white.... It shouldn't be that way, but it is....

 

Interesting that you brought up the financial example of being "in the black", so why did we refer to that day as "Black Tuesday"? :lol: :lol: Surely when you're in the Red, is when you're fukked..... :lol: Shoulda been called "Red Tuesday" innit....?

........ not to mention hollywoods portrayal of native americans <_< . when i found out the TRUTH about the west, it made me extremely angry.... and i still am.

 

Same here, an utter disgrace most of these Westerns from the 30s to the late 60s were..... <_< It was only really when you started getting films like "Soldier Blue" that a different perspective began to emerge... And of course that now famous Marlon Brando Oscar moment....

 

Well, blackboards dont have any negative connotations, that's taking things to a pretty ridiculous degree I agree, and the "black sheep" of the family tends to be the most negative member, the one that gets cast out or disowned, so again negative connotations despite the "innocence" of the nursery rhyme..

 

And the other examples you're talking of here are quite few and far between... Rock/Metal Stars tended to be associated with devil worhip because they dressed in black... Jim Morrison was described as a "black-clad leather demon" by various commentators, Marilyn Manson is also regarded as a Satanist, the wholemythos surrounding the black American bluesman Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil at the crossroads is another example... So, it aint all positivity and roses in Rock world mate.... Wearing black is cool, sure, but to many people it's also a threat, witness what happened in high schools all across America after Columbine, they actually stopped kids from wearing black T-shirts FFS, Nah, nutters withGUNS didn't kill and injure dozens of kids, it was all the fault of T-shirts and coats..... Like somehow had they not been wearing black t-shirts that wouldv'e stopped them.... -_-

 

Nope, I dont agree, I think there are vastly more negative connotations involved with black than there is with white.... It shouldn't be that way, but it is....

 

Interesting that you brought up the financial example of being "in the black", so why did we refer to that day as "Black Tuesday"? :lol: :lol: Surely when you're in the Red, is when you're fukked..... :lol: Shoulda been called "Red Tuesday" innit....?

 

true... its not all one way or the other, but was it any black people that complained about 'blackboard' or 'baa baa black sheep'? .... i suspect that yet again its these nebulous do-gooder wishy washy liberals getting their pc knickers in a twist...... anyway, black people used to be refered too as 'coloured', THEY wanted to be called 'black' dispite any negative conortations.... if they dont have this problem then why should we?...

I'm not racist and tbh I havent read thru this thread properly, but the title has reminded me of something that has happened at work recently.

 

There is a black girl, lets call her sarah (so i dont have to keep referring to her as checkout girl lol) who works on the checkouts and she had a go at a customer the other day, think it was sunday, shouting and swearing at this young couple. She walked straight in front of them and the guy from the couple said 'careful love you almost got run over then', and she replied ' well its not my f***ing problem that you walk so f***ing slow'

of course this couple complained about her, and now the manager is going to have a word with her when shes next in. if it was anyone else they would have got the sack.

my mum is her supervisor and at work people with long hair are supposed to tie it back. sarah had her hair down last week so my mum asked her to tie her hair back, she replied back to my mum that she'd only just had her hair done. and then she kicked of big time saying that my mum was picking on her because she is black, and she was telling the whole shop, anyone who she walked past got told how my mum had been picking on her....its not the first time shes used that to get out of trouble, and shes not the only one who uses that either.

 

Like i said i'm not racist, but when people use the colour of their skin to get out of trouble like that it really gets on my nerves

I'm not racist and tbh I havent read thru this thread properly, but the title has reminded me of something that has happened at work recently.

 

There is a black girl, lets call her sarah (so i dont have to keep referring to her as checkout girl lol) who works on the checkouts and she had a go at a customer the other day, think it was sunday, shouting and swearing at this young couple. She walked straight in front of them and the guy from the couple said 'careful love you almost got run over then', and she replied ' well its not my f***ing problem that you walk so f***ing slow'

of course this couple complained about her, and now the manager is going to have a word with her when shes next in. if it was anyone else they would have got the sack.

my mum is her supervisor and at work people with long hair are supposed to tie it back. sarah had her hair down last week so my mum asked her to tie her hair back, she replied back to my mum that she'd only just had her hair done. and then she kicked of big time saying that my mum was picking on her because she is black, and she was telling the whole shop, anyone who she walked past got told how my mum had been picking on her....its not the first time shes used that to get out of trouble, and shes not the only one who uses that either.

 

Like i said i'm not racist, but when people use the colour of their skin to get out of trouble like that it really gets on my nerves

 

these people do not do other black people any favours, but they play straight into the hands of the daily mail type racists... idiots.

 

What would happen if we kept on attacking the Germans today as being Nazis?

You think that doesn't still happen?

 

Another pathetic example is that English kids get the f*** bullied out of them in Scottish schools, yet if an Englishman has a dig at the scots, the whole country is up in arms. Its hypocritical too say the least.

 

and i do speak from experience, being a RAF kid with an english accent is never easy in rural scotland. NO matter how long you've lived in scotland

But Tyler, slavery isn't the half of it. Yes, slavery has been illegal for a century and a half, but desegregation of schools, the abolition of Jim Crow laws, comprehensive election standards to ensure blacks the opportunity to vote... all of this happened during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s-60s. And actually, systematic racism was rampant in many places until the 70s and 80s. It has only been since then that cultural institutions encouraging and celebrating African Americans have been instituted.

 

They should absolutely be supported. Young black kids need role models in their communities and the celebration of black history is a perfect way to teach them. No, you may not be racist, but your parents generation and every generation back (especially in Georgia, no offense) likely was. Thus the predominantly-black schools were underfunded and ignored, black neighborhoods were denied police protection in rural and urban areas, blacks were denied decent jobs and a decent education for GENERATIONS. This has doomed many of their kids to lives of poverty and disillusionment today.

 

I'm not saying it's your fault or mine. And I have no patience for radical blacks who have become overly entitled and demand "reparations" that they don't truly deserve. But let's face it, it wasn't the racist slave owner in 1845 who is to blame for many problems in the African American community today. It was the bus driver who kicked Rosa Parks out of her bus. It was the police who sprayed fire hydrants and unleashed dogs as peaceful Civil Rights protesters. It was the angry white kids held back by the National Guard so they wouldn't attack the innocent black girl just trying to enter a white school in Arkansas.

 

Look at this picture:

http://amcop.blogspot.com/little%20rock%20nine.JPG

 

One of the Little Rock 9, an innocent black girl just trying to go to school. Look at the white kids jeering and threatening her. Look at the National Guardsmen behind her. It is one of the most horrific, heart-wrenching depictions I've ever seen. And it happened only 50 years ago. Those white kids in that picture are quite possibly still alive. They could be your grandparents.

 

That is the history of African Americans in the US and we all need to confront it. Blacks and whites need to see that photograph and study it and understand what it means. That is why Black History month is essential.

 

I absolutely agree, but everyone was not like that. But people make it seems as if every white person alive was racist, which is not true. I agree that pic is terrible, those white people should be ashamed of themselves...but why do I get the blunt of what THEY did.

 

That is all that I am trying to say.

 

I don't think that attraction is really racist. I am really only attracted to caucasions. Not sure why; I just am.

 

I also don't really think this is because of the media though. Most sexual fantasies/fetishes usually develop out of some childhood fascination that becomes sexual as you grow older.

 

However, I do hate the double standards that if any white person came out and said 'I'm not attracted to black women' and then calling them ugly, they'd be called rascist and hell would break loose. I also hate that they feel it's okay to use the 'n' word, but it is not acceptable for white people to say. I don't think it's acceptable for anyone to say it. You don't see white people going around calling each other crackers, do you?

 

This really isn't just a problem in racism though. This double standard exists in heritage, religion, etc. Just how it is, I guess. =/

I absolutely agree, but everyone was not like that. But people make it seems as if every white person alive was racist, which is not true. I agree that pic is terrible, those white people should be ashamed of themselves...but why do I get the blunt of what THEY did.

 

That is all that I am trying to say.

 

That's just the way it is. We sometimes pay for our ancestors mistakes whether we like it or not. Compared to what other people go through with other forms of racism, it's not a big price that'll really affect you, in my opinion. I'd rather your "black racism" than my "white racism". Plus if you jumped into that photo and told the girl that not everyone hates your race, she probably would look around you both and ask you to point out the person who was on her side...it'd take a while. Of course not everyone was like that, but how vocal were the people who weren't racist? If they kept silent whilst others suffered, imo, they're almost as bad. E.g. Schindler's list and the Jews he helped. He actually DID something against.

I find it quite sad that the efforts of thousands of white students during the 60s and 70s who protested at equal rights and anti-apartheid rallies and who were bashed, beaten and arrested for their efforts have been forgotten by the young generation of blacks.

Maybe that piece of history should be taught in schools too for those who thought that EVERY white person was a racist.

There were a lot who werent who did stand up. Too bad some people find it so easy to forget.

 

I find it quite sad that the efforts of thousands of white students during the 60s and 70s who protested at equal rights and anti-apartheid rallies and who were bashed, beaten and arrested for their efforts have been forgotten by the young generation of blacks.

Maybe that piece of history should be taught in schools too for those who thought that EVERY white person was a racist.

There were a lot who werent who did stand up. Too bad some people find it so easy to forget.

 

I didn't know about them. Obviously I wouldn't. It's sadder that millions of black people were bashed, beaten, arrested, raped, torn way from their lives and families, drowned, branded, killed, etc than thousands of white people who were bashed, beaten and arrested. Sorry, but that's how I feel. I can tell that people are getting defensive so let's all pretend that racism doesn't exist anymore, black people need to stop playing the race card, blah blah blah...I'm done.