btw I hate the download rules... I want the chart to be based only on real single sales. It was the differense between the US chart which includes ariplay. And now UK chart includes downloads. I don't like it....

But a legal download is still a sale. The chart should reflect what people are buying. As most singles sales are downloads, it would be daft not to include them. For the same reason, I totally agree that airplay should not count towards the chart.

btw I hate the download rules... I want the chart to be based only on real single sales. It was the differense between the US chart which includes ariplay. And now UK chart includes downloads. I don't like it....

 

:blink: Don't be silly #1 singles will hardly get above 10k on physicals and I should coco, what planet are you on, Planet Pluto :rolleyes:

 

Because the physical single is dying I propose the following:

 

Physical CD's cost more than a legal download of 79p.

 

Therefore I think all £1.99 CD's should count as two unit sales; & £3.99 CD's should count as 3 unit sales.

 

Likewise, a vinyl 7" sells for 99p it should count as 1 unit, if it is on sale for £1.99 it should count as 2 units.

This has been suggested many times and I can see some sense in it, although it's still a fudge.

Where do you see the music industry in 5 or 10 years time? This is the big question and it's far from clear.

I thought the songs this year have been good - each to their own though

 

Im looking forward to Sophie ellis bextors NEW stuff - a change of sound next year - should be interesting as shes worked with RICHARD X and Calvin Harris AND Freemasons!!!

I'd love the 1-track CD single to become more popular, it'd be an idea to sell them at 99p - just 20p more than a download but you get the physical thing... I'm convinced if every single was released in the shops this way as standard it'd give a big boost the physical market but since the supposed launch I've barely seen or heard about many singles being released on this format and sold for a reasonable price.

i don't think that weighting the physical sales higher than download sales would be really fair. the charts should be based purely sales numbers, not on the amount of money spent each week on a certain single. though i do understand what you're getting at about the extra effort and cost for getting a physical release, i think the better solution to that would be to offer more multi-format bundles (like 3 for 5 pounds or something like that - it's been done to great success with a number of artists in the past at high street shops)

I thought the songs this year have been good - each to their own though

 

Im looking forward to Sophie ellis bextors NEW stuff - a change of sound next year - should be interesting as shes worked with RICHARD X and Calvin Harris AND Freemasons!!!

 

It still won't stop her being $h!t.

All i think is people should support the artists enough not just to get the first single & album but all their single because much people are bothering no more

 

People *would* buy more than the first single, if more artists put new material on the B-sides, not just live versions or remixes...

 

btw I hate the download rules... I want the chart to be based only on real single sales. It was the differense between the US chart which includes ariplay. And now UK chart includes downloads. I don't like it....

 

You do realise that physical sales now make up less than 10% of the market now?

 

it needs to be a faster moving chart, I get bored of the same old songs stinking the charts for months and months on end, and ending up selling a modest quantity at best. I miss the fast moving charts.

 

Not really the fault of the chart itself, but of the current lack of musical innovation.

 

Besides in the era of fast-moving charts, the long-term popularity of certain songs went under-reflected...

 

I think it would be great if the cut off point for the weekly singles chart was at 3am on a Thursday, with an unveiling on a Thursday evening.

Also the Album chart perhaps could have a 3am cut off point on a Friday instead. Why push out both charts at the same time?

 

What's so special about 3am on Thursday?

 

I'd love the 1-track CD single to become more popular, it'd be an idea to sell them at 99p - just 20p more than a download but you get the physical thing... I'm convinced if every single was released in the shops this way as standard it'd give a big boost the physical market but since the supposed launch I've barely seen or heard about many singles being released on this format and sold for a reasonable price.

 

But the 1-track single would only be feasible for pre-album releases, as once someone bought the album, there'd be no reason whatsoever to buy later singles.

 

I think part of the problem with the decline in physical sales is not only the cheaper cost to download legally/illegally but also the CONVENIENCE of it too. It's a shame we are becoming a nation of lazy computer-reliant individuals who simply don't want to go to a shop to purchase the music plus you then have the CD single which you don't want [just the song...]. I honestly don't see how one track CDs are going to make any difference. People aren't going to suddenly decide to go out to buy the one track when they can download it online illegally for free or legally for 79p or what have you. It seems like a waste of resources to me and an idea that won't take off.

 

The singles market needs to be nurtured, people need to be given more reason to buy CD singles but this is nigh on impossible when you have such a money-grabbing industry determined to put nothing in and expect everything in return. The Industry quite rightfully has awful press for the way in which it handles itself furthermore Zavvi/HMV/Woolworths continue to push singles to the back of the store or are getting rid of them all together. I can't think of anything that can reverse such a trend tbh. The CD is part of an era and that era is leaving us as we become more computer savvy/dependent. I fully expect record labels to give up on it in a manner akin to the USA within the next few years and personally I won't mind seeing it go. It's a plastic, cold format with very little personality especially when compared to the still very popular 7" format.

 

People don't like to see change but with the CDS I think we all need to accept that it's a dying format.

 

Oh and Tips I do agree with you concerning cost and sales unit. It's a more fair method to form the singles chart for the short time I suspect CD singles will be around. It'll also prove an excellent boost to 7"s which with the doubling of their units could possibly lead to new artists being able to break the singles chart which is nothing less than excellent :D As proper Indie isn't well loved yet on the download scene.

TOTP should just be brought back at a GOOD slot!

 

I love how the BBC constantly moved it around, then scrapped it when - shock horror - no-one watches it.

 

btw I hate the download rules... I want the chart to be based only on real single sales. It was the differense between the US chart which includes ariplay. And now UK chart includes downloads. I don't like it....

 

You hear that mate? That's the world's smallest violin, playing just for you.

 

(Remember how rubbish the chart was the first quarter of 2005 - before downloads were included? Do you really want to return to that, 'cos I don't.)

 

I think part of the problem with the decline in physical sales is not only the cheaper cost to download legally/illegally but also the CONVENIENCE of it too. It's a shame we are becoming a nation of lazy computer-reliant individuals who simply don't want to go to a shop to purchase the music plus you then have the CD single which you don't want [just the song...]. I honestly don't see how one track CDs are going to make any difference. People aren't going to suddenly decide to go out to buy the one track when they can download it online illegally for free or legally for 79p or what have you. It seems like a waste of resources to me and an idea that won't take off.

 

I agree - I've got a ton of CDs that I don't listen to anymore. And, as I've said before, I'd rather download the song off iTunes for 79p (therefore giving money to the people that make it) for a song that I know I'll like, rather than spending £4 and only listening to Track 1.

 

People don't like to see change but with the CDS I think we all need to accept that it's a dying format.

 

I don't - sales of albums are still pretty high.

Edited December 9, 200717 yr by DitzyNizzy

One thing that's pissed me off this year is it's STILL not an accurate potrayal of what;s popular.

Songs are losing lots of downloads because they are album versions before being physically released or something stupid. These then aren't added to their overall totals. Examples of songs that have had a few or a lot of sales of their total figures are:

 

OneRepublic Ft Timbaland - would've sold over 200k by now

Rihanna - Shut Up + Drive [150k apparently]

Avril - When You're Gone

Arctic Monkeys - Flourescent Adolescent

 

They're the major ones I can think of.