i know that, one friend have tell me that................ hope so2 that he gonna be in top 3 in this race....................... :)

Edited August 31, 200816 yr by speed-girl-vk

yea, we will see... ;)

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Great Quali for Nick. :w00t: :yahoo:

Edited September 6, 200816 yr by Nick F1

And today we see yet more Ferrari bias from the FIA. Why not just give Massa the Championship now and forget the next 5 races?

And today we see yet more Ferrari bias from the FIA. Why not just give Massa the Championship now and forget the next 5 races?

 

.... Especially after Massa caused the ending of Sutil's race in the last Grand Prix, but no drive through penalty there just a fine.

 

FIA = Ferrari International Assistance.

 

This is what you get when you have the son of the UK Fascist Leader Max "Lewis Hamilton is bad for Formula 1" Mosley in charge of the sport.

 

As I've been saying all season, Lewis Hamilton is now the best driver in F1, but he does not have a hope in hell in winning the title whilst Max Mosley controls FIA.

he could.

 

the FIA tried to rig it for schumi to win in 06 by banning a key part of Renault's car which had been approved in 2005 by the FIA, then penalising alonso at every opportunity. There is no way on gods earth that alonsa impeded massa at monza.

 

Massa is just a crying whinging little $h!te.

 

That having being said, anything that knocks Hamilton down a peg or two is fine by me. Especially as he actually did commit an offence

But worth 25 seconds? If it was half way through it would've been the drive through Heikki got which isn't 25 seconds. If Heidfeld was 5 seconds further down the line Lewis and Timo would probably have been given half minute penalties instead... It's completely ridiculous. Kimi ran off and gained hugely on Lewis but didn't overtake. He didn't drop back and was he punished? Was he f***!

Edited September 7, 200816 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Great race so excitingly. Penatly for Lewis is very bad choice. FIA is $h!t! That not good for Formula 1 like sport. :( But am soo happy with Nick's tactics , very great and smart. Great race for him and BMW Sauber team. :yahoo:

Edited September 7, 200816 yr by Nick F1

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Edited September 7, 200816 yr by Nick F1

Looks like McLaren are appealing the appeal :unsure: maybe the result will change again

Looks like McLaren are appealing the appeal :unsure: maybe the result will change again

 

I think there is more chance of an Afro-American getting justice from an American jury made up entirely of Klu Klux Klan members than this result being changed.

 

If anything the Ferrari International Assistance will probably DSQ Hamilton for having the audacity to appeal against "The most outrageous stewards decision I have ever witnessed in over 50 years of following motor racing" (Murray Walker).

 

PS. Well done Nick Heidfeld yet another great drive, (If the rumours are true) I think it will be outrageous if he is dumped from the team for 2009 after the very good season he has had.

I think there is more chance of an Afro-American getting justice from an American jury made up entirely of Klu Klux Klan members than this result being changed.

 

If anything the Ferrari International Assistance will probably DSQ Hamilton for having the audacity to appeal against "The most outrageous stewards decision I have ever witnessed in over 50 years of following motor racing" (Murray Walker).

 

sort of like The FA protecting the big 4, and extending Aliadiere's ban by an extra game for a frivolous appeal :angry:

 

I can't say I saw the race but others I know who have are a little confused as to why there was a penalty given -_-

Seemed a rather bizarre decision but I think the idea of FIA Ferrari bias is wide of the mark

 

Hamilton got the rub of the green last season so many times with decisions

 

1) Craned back onto the track in France

2) Not penalised for dangerous driving behind the safety car in Japan and being a big factor in the Webber/Vettel accident

3) Not being penalised in Brazil for using too many sets of tyres in practice whereas Ralf Schumacher at Monaco the previous year got dropped grid places

 

The steward who makes the decisions is also an Englishman not an Italian so if anything he would be more likely to be pro Hamilton

 

I don't personally see what Hamilton did wrong but then again I only had access to a tv not the telemetry of Hamilton's and Kimi's car

The steward who makes the decisions is also an Englishman not an Italian so if anything he would be more likely to be pro Hamilton

 

You mean like Max Mosely?

You mean like Max Mosely?

 

The stewards are independent of the FIA, indeed before the FIA have appealed stewards verdicts on the grounds of being too lenient

 

 

The stewards are independent of the FIA, indeed before the FIA have appealed stewards verdicts on the grounds of being too lenient

 

Are they, bollocks :rofl:

 

Revealed! The three stewards who denied Hamilton victory

Daily Mail.co.uk By Jonathan McEvoy

Last updated at 8:39 AM on 09th September 2008

 

For Lewis Hamilton, it will come as scant consolation that one of the stewards who ruled against him at the Belgian Grand Prix is no stranger to deliberating on such weighty motor racing matters as the length of a man's stubble.

 

Only this May, Surinder Thatthi - the Tanzanian who, bizarrely, represents Kenya on the FIA's World Motor Sport Council - complained in an email exchange about world rally champion Sebastien Loeb's 'scruffy' appearance.

 

Hamilton, however, might just raise a chuckle at the irony of such a staunch Max Mosley loyalist implying that Loeb was bringing the sport into disrepute so soon after the FIA president's whipped backside was bared as part of a newspaper sting.

 

At Spa on Sunday, Thatthi was one of three stewards who controversially denied McLaren's Hamilton one of the most enthralling wins of his career on the flimsy 'evidence' that, having cut a corner, he refused to yield the advantage back to Kimi Raikkonen before passing him.

 

Two hours after the race they announced their verdict to impose a retrospective 25-second penalty and handed the original runner-up, Raikkonen's Ferrari team-mate Felipe Massa, the victory. The Brazilian is now just two points short of Hamilton's championship lead with five rounds remaining.

 

Today Sportsmail reveals who the stewards are and asks what role two other influential FIA figures played in the decision-making process.

 

Thatthi's fellow stewards at the weekend were the little-known head of the Belgian federation, Yves Bacquelaine, and Nicholas Deschaux, the highly rated head of the French federation. A lawyer, he is that rarest of things among the FIA's closed ranks - a Mosley detractor.

 

He was one of the few dissenting voices prior to the vote of confidence on whether Mosley should stay after the colourful sex expose.

 

Deschaux, therefore, is unlikely to have played along with any FIA conspiracy (though he could have been out-voted), were it based either on the governing body's desire to see Ferrari win because of their historic importance to the sport or because of Mosley's known dislike for McLaren boss Ron Dennis.

 

Both theories have been around for the last decade, not least during Michael Schumacher's heyday. Or could it be that the FIA simply want to spice up the title battle? We simply do not know because they have not yet decided to explain their processes.

 

Niki Lauda, the triple world champion, called on them to do precisely that at Monza prior to this Sunday's Italian Grand Prix. It might be what the public want, but it will not happen.

 

The stewards, unpaid amateurs, are changed for every race. The trio who sat in judgment in Belgium will simply not be in attendance. It means they cannot go through their findings point by point.

 

The nearest we will get to that is if McLaren appeal. They have until midnight on Tuesday to decide and are currently weighing up whether it is worth the legal fees and the hassle.

 

How, then, does the conspiracy theory hold together if the stewards revolve 18 times a year?

 

Alongside the stewards are a couple of key men: Charlie Whiting, the race controller. He, like Mosley, lives in the millionaire's tax haven of Monaco. They work from the same office and are long-term friends and allies.

 

The stewards act solely on his reports. In other words, he asks them to investigate this matter or that. The same applied on Sunday, yet he did not report Raikkonen for overtaking just as a yellow flag was first being waved.

 

The other figure in the background is Alan Donnelly, a former Labour leader in the European Parliament, who owns the lobbyists, Sovereign Strategy, based at the FIA's old Trafalgar Square HQ. He acts as Mosley's official representative at every race and as the stewards' 'co-ordinator'.

 

A first-class strategist and perhaps the closest Mosley adviser, he has rightly speeded up the deliberations since taking on the facilitator role this season.

 

But on Monday a disbelieving public could be forgiven for asking why a career politician is employed in that capacity. Especially when Mosley is only a phone call away.

 

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With the revelations tonight, that it was a split 2-1 decision with oh what a surprise the French steward (who is not pro Mosley) who voted against the decision to punish Hamilton, then I think you opinion is on pretty sticky ground.

 

 

Lastly I can't be bothered to mention each of the 27 different occasions in the past 5 seasons when a debatable decision has gone Ferrari's way in F1, so I'll just post the most relevent key decision that is very reminiscent of the Grand Prix from Sunday.

 

Schumacher cutting a chicane stopping Pedro De La Rosa passing him

 

Did Michael Schumacher get punished for that?

 

Don't be stupid, he is driving a Ferrari, so he can do what the hell he likes, because the stewards decided he did not cut a corner to maintain an advantage over De La Rosa, just as the stewards thought Massa hitting Sutil in the pits (and ending his race) in Spain was perfectly acceptable, and Raikkonen's passing someone on a waved yellow & triple swerving on a straight to keep ahead of Lewis Hamilton was acceptable even though they controvened the laws of F1.

The stewards are independent of the FIA, indeed before the FIA have appealed stewards verdicts on the grounds of being too lenient

I meant in you saying being British they'd more likely to be bias towards Hamilton.

Are they, bollocks :rofl:

 

Revealed! The three stewards who denied Hamilton victory

Daily Mail.co.uk By Jonathan McEvoy

Last updated at 8:39 AM on 09th September 2008

 

For Lewis Hamilton, it will come as scant consolation that one of the stewards who ruled against him at the Belgian Grand Prix is no stranger to deliberating on such weighty motor racing matters as the length of a man's stubble.

 

Only this May, Surinder Thatthi - the Tanzanian who, bizarrely, represents Kenya on the FIA's World Motor Sport Council - complained in an email exchange about world rally champion Sebastien Loeb's 'scruffy' appearance.

 

Hamilton, however, might just raise a chuckle at the irony of such a staunch Max Mosley loyalist implying that Loeb was bringing the sport into disrepute so soon after the FIA president's whipped backside was bared as part of a newspaper sting.

 

At Spa on Sunday, Thatthi was one of three stewards who controversially denied McLaren's Hamilton one of the most enthralling wins of his career on the flimsy 'evidence' that, having cut a corner, he refused to yield the advantage back to Kimi Raikkonen before passing him.

 

Two hours after the race they announced their verdict to impose a retrospective 25-second penalty and handed the original runner-up, Raikkonen's Ferrari team-mate Felipe Massa, the victory. The Brazilian is now just two points short of Hamilton's championship lead with five rounds remaining.

 

Today Sportsmail reveals who the stewards are and asks what role two other influential FIA figures played in the decision-making process.

 

Thatthi's fellow stewards at the weekend were the little-known head of the Belgian federation, Yves Bacquelaine, and Nicholas Deschaux, the highly rated head of the French federation. A lawyer, he is that rarest of things among the FIA's closed ranks - a Mosley detractor.

 

He was one of the few dissenting voices prior to the vote of confidence on whether Mosley should stay after the colourful sex expose.

 

Deschaux, therefore, is unlikely to have played along with any FIA conspiracy (though he could have been out-voted), were it based either on the governing body's desire to see Ferrari win because of their historic importance to the sport or because of Mosley's known dislike for McLaren boss Ron Dennis.

 

Both theories have been around for the last decade, not least during Michael Schumacher's heyday. Or could it be that the FIA simply want to spice up the title battle? We simply do not know because they have not yet decided to explain their processes.

 

Niki Lauda, the triple world champion, called on them to do precisely that at Monza prior to this Sunday's Italian Grand Prix. It might be what the public want, but it will not happen.

 

The stewards, unpaid amateurs, are changed for every race. The trio who sat in judgment in Belgium will simply not be in attendance. It means they cannot go through their findings point by point.

 

The nearest we will get to that is if McLaren appeal. They have until midnight on Tuesday to decide and are currently weighing up whether it is worth the legal fees and the hassle.

 

How, then, does the conspiracy theory hold together if the stewards revolve 18 times a year?

 

Alongside the stewards are a couple of key men: Charlie Whiting, the race controller. He, like Mosley, lives in the millionaire's tax haven of Monaco. They work from the same office and are long-term friends and allies.

 

The stewards act solely on his reports. In other words, he asks them to investigate this matter or that. The same applied on Sunday, yet he did not report Raikkonen for overtaking just as a yellow flag was first being waved.

 

The other figure in the background is Alan Donnelly, a former Labour leader in the European Parliament, who owns the lobbyists, Sovereign Strategy, based at the FIA's old Trafalgar Square HQ. He acts as Mosley's official representative at every race and as the stewards' 'co-ordinator'.

 

A first-class strategist and perhaps the closest Mosley adviser, he has rightly speeded up the deliberations since taking on the facilitator role this season.

 

But on Monday a disbelieving public could be forgiven for asking why a career politician is employed in that capacity. Especially when Mosley is only a phone call away.

 

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With the revelations tonight, that it was a split 2-1 decision with oh what a surprise the French steward (who is not pro Mosley) who voted against the decision to punish Hamilton, then I think you opinion is on pretty sticky ground.

Lastly I can't be bothered to mention each of the 27 different occasions in the past 5 seasons when a debatable decision has gone Ferrari's way in F1, so I'll just post the most relevent key decision that is very reminiscent of the Grand Prix from Sunday.

 

Schumacher cutting a chicane stopping Pedro De La Rosa passing him

 

Did Michael Schumacher get punished for that?

 

Don't be stupid, he is driving a Ferrari, so he can do what the hell he likes, because the stewards decided he did not cut a corner to maintain an advantage over De La Rosa, just as the stewards thought Massa hitting Sutil in the pits (and ending his race) in Spain was perfectly acceptable, and Raikkonen's passing someone on a waved yellow & triple swerving on a straight to keep ahead of Lewis Hamilton was acceptable even though they controvened the laws of F1.

 

Schumacher got punished for Monaco when he stopped on the racing line

 

Schumacher got a stop go penalty in France couple of years back when he crossed the white lines

 

Schumacher was stripped of all his 97 points after Jerez

 

If I remember correctly Schumacher got penalised for overtaking under a yellow flag 2 or 3 years ago

 

The FIA have come down hard on Schumacher many times while he has been at Ferrari

 

As for Hamilton while I didn't personally see what he did wrong it looked like hard racing to me had the penalty been made to spice up the championship they would have punished him not with a 2 place demotion (loss of 4 points) they would have instead given him a 10 place grid penalty for Monza which given his position when he had a 10 place grid penalty earlier in the season would probably cost him a lot more than 4 points

Michael still drive?

I can assure you straight from the horses mouth that Kimi Raikkonen will be a Ferrari driver in 2009

 

Beyond that things are undecided but I can assure you that Kimi will be there in 2009 I have never been more sure of anything in my life (source Kimi Raikkonen himself)

 

Kimi has some personal problems atm that are a major distraction and it seems to be affecting his focus but he will bounce back stronger in 2009 in a Ferrari

 

Ferrari keep Raikkonen until 2010

By Andrew Benson

BBC Sport at Monza

 

 

 

Raikkonen joined Ferrari from McLaren at the end of 2006

Ferrari have extended world champion Kimi Raikkonen's contract to the end of the 2010 season, ending speculation about the Finn's future at the team.

 

Raikkonen's deal had been due to end at the end of 2009, and there had been reports that Fernando Alonso was set to replace him.

 

But Ferrari said in a statement on Friday that their line-up would remain unchanged for the next two seasons.

 

Raikkonen's team-mate Felipe Massa also has a contract until 2010.

 

Raikkonen has produced a string of unconvincing performances this season, when he has often looked a shadow of the man who made a spectacular late charge to win his first drivers' title last season.

 

The 28-year-old, who is the highest-paid driver in F1, has often been overshadowed by Massa this season.

 

606: DEBATE

Good luck to Kimi for the next two seasons as this one has been quite unlucky

 

Riku

He lies fourth in the championship, 17 points behind the Brazilian, 19 behind McLaren's Lewis Hamilton and one behind BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica, heading into Sunday's Italian Grand Prix.

 

Raikkonen has so far indicated his reluctance to help Massa's title bid while he still has a mathematical chance of winning the championship himself.

 

It remains to be seen whether his new deal will have any effect on that approach.

 

So lacklustre have some of his performances been that there had even been claims in recent months that Raikkonen might leave the team at the end of this season, freeing up a space for Alonso.

 

Ferrari say they have extended his contract because they have faith in his ability.

 

Nevertheless, the decision has been met with some mystification as it appears to end their chances of signing either Alonso or Kubica until at least 2011.

 

The Spanish double world champion is known to be a favourite of Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo and is keen to drive for Ferrari in the future.

 

I need to see if next year's car will be any better, if not, I will try to choose my best possibility for next year

 

Fernando Alonso

Alonso has an option to get out of his two-year Renault contract at the end of this season if he wishes and is being courted by the struggling Honda team, as well as BMW Sauber.

 

He remains the key to this season's driver market, but his options for the future have narrowed considerably now he knows that there will likely be no seat at Ferrari available until at least 2011.

 

"Talking about 2010 or 2011, this seems crazy to me," said Alonso. "I cannot put my future two years forward. I want to win races as soon as possible, and this is starting from 2009.

 

"I don't know when I will decide my future. I just need to make sure of what the possibilities are for next year and how Renault will approach next year. I will decide as soon as I can.

 

"Two years ago Renault was world champion so they should know how to make a fast car.

 

"This year is not as good as we thought and I need to see if next year's car will be any better. If not, obviously, I will try to choose my best possibility for next year."

 

Kubica is also highly rated as a potential front-runner and while he has committed to stay at BMW until the end of next season, he, too, was keeping himself available for a possible Ferrari drive in 2010.

 

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