Posted May 2, 200817 yr well... support for labour is dwindling fast as they have recorded their worst local election results for 40 years, being squeezed into 3rd place!!! immigration, fuel, cost of living, taxes have all sent a clear message to the labour government... will they really listen?.... doubt it, they seem to have lost direction and leadership. browns fudging too much and are admitting to making mistakes... they should never have to do this. brown should have gone to the country last autumn, stalling hasnt worked, as he hasnt gained popularity, hes LOST it.
May 2, 200817 yr Nu Labor lost its way long before Bumbling Brown took the reigns as far as I'm concerned.. The rot began to set in far earlier, I would say Iraq was the turning point tbh... The only reason they won the last election was because most people couldn't stomach the thought of Michael Howard getting in... Considering only 30 odd percent even voted in the last election anyway (the vast majority of the country feeling completely disenfranchised from the political process...), hardly a resounding endorsement... If you'd've had an option for "none of the above", then I reckon the "none of the aboves" would've gotten a landslide victory..... :lol: Nu Labor deserves its kicking though.... Are the Tories really the option though...? Time for the Lib Dems to be given a go, Labour and Tory have lorded it over this country for way too long now, both have proven utterly disastrous for the people over the past three decades, it's obvious to me that both of them are as bad as each other... Time for a change....
May 2, 200817 yr i agree let the Lib Dem's have a shot. Fingers crossed Labour will continue their decline and get voted out
May 2, 200817 yr :heehee: Labour are on just 24% now, compared to 44% for the Tories. :o The recent polls have certainly been pretty accurate... Today could only be made better now if Livingstone loses out in London too!
May 2, 200817 yr In a way I hope Boris does win London, he's so much of an arse he could quite easily ruin Tory chances in the next two years...
May 2, 200817 yr In a way I hope Boris does win London, he's so much of an arse he could quite easily ruin Tory chances in the next two years... I voted for an independant candidate actually... I really dont believe that a Mayoral position should be hijacked by Party Politics, ideally, the Mayor should be an independant candidate, more concerned for the running of city than kowtowing to partisan party interests.. A Mayor should challenge Govts, Parties and Councils snd put the interests of their respective cities and their people first, not cosy up to them.. Which is my problem with Ken, Boris, etc...
May 2, 200817 yr Looks like they have lost over 400 councillors, this is a complete disaster for Brown, even Toneeeeeeeeeeee didn't do this bad :no:
May 3, 200817 yr Labour have always been abysmal running local councils, anyway. It's just a shame Joe Public is so simple and has such short memories to honestly think the Tories could do any better for us - locally or nationally. My vote went to Plaid Cymru - by far the most sensible choice in Wales these days.
May 3, 200817 yr Author oh lord... now that buffoon boris has won the race to become londons mayor.... i just cannot see this apparent idiot doing any good at all... id happily vote against brown tomorrow..... if there was something credible enough to vote for, boy cameron just doesnt cut it with me... what a pathetic bunch to chose from.
May 3, 200817 yr Author ...oh and its now obvious that blair was keeping brown in check... brown wasnt the brains behind tonys ten year government, blair was the regulating force keeping brown in line.
May 3, 200817 yr what a pathetic bunch to chose from. Yeah, Brown, Clegg and Cameron.... JESUS WEPT!!!!!! I know I've advocated voting for Lib Dems, but CLEGG as PM????? Get Charlie or Simon in there, then you'd be talking.... I couldn't honestly believe that the Lib Dems could have chosen a worse leader than Ming Campbell... But, they somehow managed it..... ...You'd be better off choosing a local candidate mate..... Someone who'll actually represent your constituency well, regardless of the Party.... Or vote for an independent to register a protest vote..... The world of Politics these days has never been dumber...... And now that the eedjit boy Boris has been allowed to play with his new toy..... :no:
May 3, 200817 yr I don't really want Boris to get in, he is planning to resurrect planning plans for a Airport at Cliffe.
May 4, 200817 yr Labour are finished and Cameron will win the next election with a landslide. Changing leader wouldn't save Labour now either buy may mean Cameron's majority will be slightly less than if buffoon Brown carries on.
May 4, 200817 yr I think Cameron would've been safe, but they've just got Boris in as mayor. He could quite easily be worse for London than Brown is for the country.
May 4, 200817 yr Brown needs to completely change direction to have any chance of winning the next election. And Im not just talking about some stupid image change like getting him to smile more or showing his "Britishness" with stupid announcements about how we should all respect the Army or c**p like that. Im talking actual policies of real substance. Hes got nothing to lose now anyway, as hes clearly not going to win with this diluted Blairism so he may as well go more radical. Slap higher taxes on the rich at the benefit of the poor... it looks like theyve lost most of "Middle England" now anyway, so they need to try and atleast try and regain some of the core support they lost in the locals. Build a load of new cheap housing, to be RENTED out at dirt-cheap prices, to ease the problems in the property market. Scrap this stupid 42-day detention proposal. Maybe hint at a couple more powers for the Welsh Assembly, to get Wales back on side. PULL OUT OF IRAQ, that would not only get positive headlines (something the govt hasnt actually achieved ANY of since October) but also the money to pay for all this... regardless of whether you agree with the war, our troops are doing practically nothing there now anyway, so theres little point in them being there. Show a few signs of humanity... hes clearly not going to achieve Blair levels of charisma, but he can crack the odd gentle joke, and not be super-formal ALL the time (for instance, in some interview last week, some light-hearted question was "what is your first thought in the morning?" and he answers that he tries to think of ways to ease the credit crunch). When something embarrassing happens, occasionally just hold your hands up and say "we got this wrong, were sorry, well do better from now on" (this especially shouldve happened with the 10p tax band issue). But they just cant carry on like they are now. Edited May 4, 200817 yr by Danny
May 4, 200817 yr Slap higher taxes on the rich at the benefit of the poor I am against the principle of over taxing the rich, apart from inherited wealth the majority of rich people in this country became rich through hard work and risk taking, I am not implying that non rich people don't work hard of course most do but punishing those that set up businesses and did well so that the less well off or the workshy can be subsidised sends out totally the wrong signals Also what taxation would you put up ? would you increase the 40% tax rate ? as well as taxing entrepreneurs that way you are also increasing the tax burden on doctors, teachers, police sergeants, nursing sisters and much more so what would be your tax policies ? please list here what you mean about taxing the "rich" as I would hardly describe the professions I listed above as rich Also by taxing entrepreneurs and risk takers through the nose we risk losing them to other countries which again sends out the wrong signals A large part of me is in favour of scrapping income tax altogether and replacing it with increased levels of VAT
May 4, 200817 yr Brown needs to completely change direction to have any chance of winning the next election. And Im not just talking about some stupid image change like getting him to smile more or showing his "Britishness" with stupid announcements about how we should all respect the Army or c**p like that. Im talking actual policies of real substance. Hes got nothing to lose now anyway, as hes clearly not going to win with this diluted Blairism so he may as well go more radical. Slap higher taxes on the rich at the benefit of the poor... it looks like theyve lost most of "Middle England" now anyway, so they need to try and atleast try and regain some of the core support they lost in the locals. Build a load of new cheap housing, to be RENTED out at dirt-cheap prices, to ease the problems in the property market. Scrap this stupid 42-day detention proposal. Maybe hint at a couple more powers for the Welsh Assembly, to get Wales back on side. PULL OUT OF IRAQ, that would not only get positive headlines (something the govt hasnt actually achieved ANY of since October) but also the money to pay for all this... regardless of whether you agree with the war, our troops are doing practically nothing there now anyway, so theres little point in them being there. Show a few signs of humanity... hes clearly not going to achieve Blair levels of charisma, but he can crack the odd gentle joke, and not be super-formal ALL the time (for instance, in some interview last week, some light-hearted question was "what is your first thought in the morning?" and he answers that he tries to think of ways to ease the credit crunch). When something embarrassing happens, occasionally just hold your hands up and say "we got this wrong, were sorry, well do better from now on" (this especially shouldve happened with the 10p tax band issue). But they just cant carry on like they are now. You forgot scrapping ID cards.
May 4, 200817 yr I am against the principle of over taxing the rich, apart from inherited wealth the majority of rich people in this country became rich through hard work and risk taking, I am not implying that non rich people don't work hard of course most do but punishing those that set up businesses and did well so that the less well off or the workshy can be subsidised sends out totally the wrong signals Well, I didnt actually say it was something I agreed with (though I do, to an extent), I was just saying it would be a good vote-winner for Brown. But anyway, I completely disagree with this part of your post... what you are saying would make sense if we had REAL equality of opportunity. We do not. You cannot deny that, in most professions, the people with the best educations generally succeed. You can also not deny that the average kid born to middle-class doctors and goes to the local grammar school in a leafy suburb in Cambridge, is likely to get a better education than Karen Matthews 12th kid gets at the local comprehensive in Dewsbury Moor. A 10-year-old clearly cannot control the type of lifestyle s/he was born into, so how is it fair for the income in later life to be affected by this? When all children are born to parents with the same level of wealth and the same level of responsibility, and will receive completely equal educations in quality, then maybe we can start talking about taxing the poor as much as the rich. Not before. You forgot scrapping ID cards. Yes, thats another good one. Edited May 4, 200817 yr by Danny
May 4, 200817 yr Well, I didnt actually say it was something I agreed with (though I do, to an extent), I was just saying it would be a good vote-winner for Brown. But anyway, I completely disagree with this part of your post... what you are saying would make sense if we had REAL equality of opportunity. We do not. You cannot deny that, in most professions, the people with the best educations generally succeed. You can also not deny that the average kid born to middle-class doctors and goes to the local grammar school in a leafy suburb in Cambridge, is likely to get a better education than Karen Matthews 12th kid gets at the local comprehensive in Dewsbury Moor. A 10-year-old clearly cannot control the type of lifestyle s/he was born into, so how is it fair for the income in later life to be affected by this? When all children are born to parents with the same level of wealth and the same level of responsibility, and will receive completely equal educations in quality, then maybe we can start talking about taxing the poor as much as the rich. Not before. Yes, thats another good one. Disagree, there is nothing whatsoever stopping someone of a working class background from making a success of their lives, setting up a business and working hard is not about class, look at the likes of Alan Sugar, Bernie Ecclestone, Philip Green, all born on council estates but now BILLIONAIRES because they had a vision and worked hard to build up their businesses from scratch, a working class person is just as open to setting up a business and creating a business as one of middle class You are right in terms of say the professions, the majority of lawyers, doctors, dentists and so on come from a middle class and public school background but in terms of actual enterprise and setting up businesses which are the very people I dont think should be penalised by the tax system everyone is equal regardless of class it is an unequal world, always has been and always will be that will never change but I can't change my opinion that entrepreneurs and innovators should not be penalised in the name of political dogma
May 5, 200817 yr Author Disagree, there is nothing whatsoever stopping someone of a working class background from making a success of their lives, setting up a business and working hard is not about class, look at the likes of Alan Sugar, Bernie Ecclestone, Philip Green, all born on council estates but now BILLIONAIRES because they had a vision and worked hard to build up their businesses from scratch, a working class person is just as open to setting up a business and creating a business as one of middle class You are right in terms of say the professions, the majority of lawyers, doctors, dentists and so on come from a middle class and public school background but in terms of actual enterprise and setting up businesses which are the very people I dont think should be penalised by the tax system everyone is equal regardless of class it is an unequal world, always has been and always will be that will never change but I can't change my opinion that entrepreneurs and innovators should not be penalised in the name of political dogma .... and the poor shouldnt be taxed so much that they stay poor.
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