It's just a huge shame the best candidate by far never made it. Poor Hilary.

 

:(

 

Now I 100% agree on this.

 

Hilary Clinton should have been the Democrats choice to run for President with Obama as her #2.

 

The fact that Obama has not even got her as his potential vice-President means that he is going to lose a lot of the female voters.

 

If the Republicans get in then we are doomed to a War in Iran in 2009.

Why don't you read their f***ing policies! Oh who would have thought that it could be that simple?!? :rolleyes:

I swear, I wonder if you are really 12.

 

If the GOP is a racist party how do you explain the 14% lead McCain has among hispanic voters ? last I looked hispanics were dark skinned

 

Would you get dark skinned people voting for the BNP in England ? no

 

So your claim that the GOP is a racist party does nothing for improving your credibility

Now I 100% agree on this.

 

Hilary Clinton should have been the Democrats choice to run for President with Obama as her #2.

 

The fact that Obama has not even got her as his potential vice-President means that he is going to lose a lot of the female voters.

 

If the Republicans get in then we are doomed to a War in Iran in 2009.

 

I quite like Hillary Clinton, unlike the wishy washy liberalism of Obama Hillary is quite right wing well she is a centrist anyways so I would have had no probs with a Clinton presidency

 

McCain won't be dumb enough to go to war with Iran, he said in his speech last week that he would use diplomacy

 

Iran has 2 massive allies in Russia and China not to mention most of the middle east, the islamics didn't give a damn about Saddam Hussein, he was a secular muslim most of the middle east hated him Iran is a different kettle of fish and McCain knows that

If the GOP is a racist party how do you explain the 14% lead McCain has among hispanic voters ? last I looked hispanics were dark skinned

 

Would you get dark skinned people voting for the BNP in England ? no

 

So your claim that the GOP is a racist party does nothing for improving your credibility

 

Last time I checked you post said "Single moms, gays, blacks, and the poor"

 

They are against gays and they are not afraid to admit it out loud, there financial outlook does not support the poor or single mothers either. They aren't blatantly against blacks or other minorities though. And most people in America just vote because pf a first glance on issued, maybe 30% of voters actually look at what each candidate stands for, they just go with the Republican party or the democrat party. Because on average most people don't think for themselves.

 

FACT.

I quite like Hillary Clinton, unlike the wishy washy liberalism of Obama Hillary is quite right wing well she is a centrist anyways so I would have had no probs with a Clinton presidency

 

McCain won't be dumb enough to go to war with Iran, he said in his speech last week that he would use diplomacy

So who was that bloke who sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"? He looked like John McCain. He even called himself John McCain.

So who was that bloke who sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"? He looked like John McCain. He even called himself John McCain.

 

It was a joke albeit a particularly unfunny one but it was not a policy statement nor does it make him unfit for office

 

 

It was a joke albeit a particularly unfunny one but it was not a policy statement nor does it make him unfit for office

So it's OK for someone who considers himself to be "a statesman" and who you consider to be "a man of honour" to make a "joke" about bombing another country?

 

So it's OK for someone who considers himself to be "a statesman" and who you consider to be "a man of honour" to make a "joke" about bombing another country?

 

If he was applying for a job as a stand up comedian he would fail miserably but I don't see how this has anything to do with his job or his ability to do his job

 

I am sure that every politician has made politically incorrect jokes among friends or at dinner parties or whatever, McCain was just unfortunate to say it in a higher profile scenario

I never noticed until this election just how bias the media are against the Republicans :lol:

 

I think it's funny that people are viewing Obama as some sort of Saviour sent to help America. the fact is that if he wins, the novelty of having a black president will wear off after a month and when it comes to implementing his change, nothing's going to happen. Either that or he'll have to dramatically increase taxes in order to fulfill some of them.

 

Personally I think McCain/Palin is a stronger ticket. She may not have had much political experience, but she's sure as hell a tough nut, and in Alaska she has something like an 80% approval rating, which is impressive. Republicans ftw!

I never noticed until this election just how bias the media are against the Republicans :lol:

 

I think it's funny that people are viewing Obama as some sort of Saviour sent to help America. the fact is that if he wins, the novelty of having a black president will wear off after a month and when it comes to implementing his change, nothing's going to happen. Either that or he'll have to dramatically increase taxes in order to fulfill some of them.

 

Personally I think McCain/Palin is a stronger ticket. She may not have had much political experience, but she's sure as hell a tough nut, and in Alaska she has something like an 80% approval rating, which is impressive. Republicans ftw!

No, he'll have to raise taxes to pay off the massive deficit bequeathed to him by Bush.

If he was applying for a job as a stand up comedian he would fail miserably but I don't see how this has anything to do with his job or his ability to do his job

 

I am sure that every politician has made politically incorrect jokes among friends or at dinner parties or whatever, McCain was just unfortunate to say it in a higher profile scenario

Any vaguely left-wing politician who has made a tasteless remark has been crucified by the media. Why shouldn't McCain be held to the same standards?

Sarah Palin is hoping McCain will drop dead any minute. She is so desperate to be president.

 

 

The church she left in 2002 is praying that McCain gets elected and then drops dead so she's President. :o

I never noticed until this election just how bias the media are against the Republicans :lol:

 

I think it's funny that people are viewing Obama as some sort of Saviour sent to help America. the fact is that if he wins, the novelty of having a black president will wear off after a month and when it comes to implementing his change, nothing's going to happen. Either that or he'll have to dramatically increase taxes in order to fulfill some of them.

 

Personally I think McCain/Palin is a stronger ticket. She may not have had much political experience, but she's sure as hell a tough nut, and in Alaska she has something like an 80% approval rating, which is impressive. Republicans ftw!

 

Yet another person that has not looked at what each candidate stands for. I would rather pay double the taxes I'm paying now and have equality socially and financially.

Palin sends son to fight 'righteous cause' in Iraq

Reuters.com

 

Republican vice presidential hopeful Sarah Palin sent her son off to fight for a "righteous cause" as his Army unit prepared to deploy to Iraq.

 

Palin promised the 4,000 troops gathered on a tarmac at Fort Wainwright Thursday that she was honored to be there to see them "go forth in defense of America and America's cause -- and it is a righteous cause."

 

"You will be there to win," she told the soldiers preparing for a 12 month deployment. "You will see victory."

Palin warned that there were "hardships to be endured and sacrifices to be accepted" before the war was won but said it was a "just and vital" battle.

"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," she said on the seventh anniversary of the attacks.

 

A link between Iraq and the attacks was touted by the White House before the US invasion but no longer. However, Al-Qaeda has since moved into the country.

 

Palin praised the sacrifice of the 32 troops from Wainwright who had died in Iraq and told the soldiers standing before her "you'll be there to serve the same cause of freedom from tyranny and from violence."

 

Palin lauded the soldiers for their commitment to serve a cause greater than themselves, a central theme of running mate John McCain's campaign for the presidency in the November 4 election.

But the Alaskan governor avoided overt references to her campaign in deference to a prohibition on political activity on military bases. Nor did she mention her son Track, 19, who she proudly mentions in every stump speech, though some of her words seems aimed in his direction.

 

"Don't mind us, your parents, your friends, your family if we allow for some tears or if we hold you once more before you are gone because we're going to miss you," she said.

"We can't help it. We're going to miss you."

 

Seven columns of soldiers marched out onto the airstrip at stood at attention against a backdrop of hills bursting with fall colors of orange, yellow, red and green in a deployment ceremony rich with military tradition

Track Palin was hard to spot among the 4,000 soldiers in black berets and camouflage.

That's just the way he would like it, said Major Chris Hyde, the brigade's spokesman.

 

"He's a very low key, very modest person," Hyde told reporters.

Track Palin joined the military on September 11, 2007 because he wanted to "pave his own way in life," Hyde said.

"He doesn't want to be known just as the governor's son."

 

He will be guarding the brigade's commander and deputy commander as part of a "striker" team.

 

"Largely we'll be providing security but a great portion of providing security is to enable us and to enable the provincial reconstruction teams to do a lot of the work to rebuild the country," Hyde said.

There has been no request to give Palin additional protection while in Iraq because his mother is running to be vice president, Hyde said.

And there was no link between her nomination and her presence at the base, Hyde said.

 

"She was asked and volunteered to be the guest speaker months ago," he told reporters. "She's always been very much a friend to this brigade and the military in general."

 

So Palin thinks the War in Iraq is a "righteous cause". What more proof do you need that McCain & Palin are no different to Bush & Cheney?

 

 

Palin sends son to fight 'righteous cause' in Iraq

Reuters.com

 

Republican vice presidential hopeful Sarah Palin sent her son off to fight for a "righteous cause" as his Army unit prepared to deploy to Iraq.

 

Palin promised the 4,000 troops gathered on a tarmac at Fort Wainwright Thursday that she was honored to be there to see them "go forth in defense of America and America's cause -- and it is a righteous cause."

 

"You will be there to win," she told the soldiers preparing for a 12 month deployment. "You will see victory."

Palin warned that there were "hardships to be endured and sacrifices to be accepted" before the war was won but said it was a "just and vital" battle.

"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," she said on the seventh anniversary of the attacks.

 

A link between Iraq and the attacks was touted by the White House before the US invasion but no longer. However, Al-Qaeda has since moved into the country.

 

Palin praised the sacrifice of the 32 troops from Wainwright who had died in Iraq and told the soldiers standing before her "you'll be there to serve the same cause of freedom from tyranny and from violence."

 

Palin lauded the soldiers for their commitment to serve a cause greater than themselves, a central theme of running mate John McCain's campaign for the presidency in the November 4 election.

But the Alaskan governor avoided overt references to her campaign in deference to a prohibition on political activity on military bases. Nor did she mention her son Track, 19, who she proudly mentions in every stump speech, though some of her words seems aimed in his direction.

 

"Don't mind us, your parents, your friends, your family if we allow for some tears or if we hold you once more before you are gone because we're going to miss you," she said.

"We can't help it. We're going to miss you."

 

Seven columns of soldiers marched out onto the airstrip at stood at attention against a backdrop of hills bursting with fall colors of orange, yellow, red and green in a deployment ceremony rich with military tradition

Track Palin was hard to spot among the 4,000 soldiers in black berets and camouflage.

That's just the way he would like it, said Major Chris Hyde, the brigade's spokesman.

 

"He's a very low key, very modest person," Hyde told reporters.

Track Palin joined the military on September 11, 2007 because he wanted to "pave his own way in life," Hyde said.

"He doesn't want to be known just as the governor's son."

 

He will be guarding the brigade's commander and deputy commander as part of a "striker" team.

 

"Largely we'll be providing security but a great portion of providing security is to enable us and to enable the provincial reconstruction teams to do a lot of the work to rebuild the country," Hyde said.

There has been no request to give Palin additional protection while in Iraq because his mother is running to be vice president, Hyde said.

And there was no link between her nomination and her presence at the base, Hyde said.

 

"She was asked and volunteered to be the guest speaker months ago," he told reporters. "She's always been very much a friend to this brigade and the military in general."

 

So Palin thinks the War in Iraq is a "righteous cause". What more proof do you need that McCain & Palin are no different to Bush & Cheney?

 

I think most people are not anti the war itself and do not hate Bush for going to war, Saddam Hussein is not remotely missed, but what people hate Bush for is the lies involved in going to war and the false reasons that created the war, and the lying to the UN about WMD's and so on

 

I was against the idea of the war in the first place and hate Bush and Blair for lying and for the Shock and Awe massacre but now that it has taken place there is no point leaving the job half finished, Obama will bring the troops back home and Al Qaeda will still be there and would if left alone probably destabilise Iraq to the point that there is a taleban type regime in Iraq inside a couple of years controlled by Al Qaeda which would leave Iraq in a bigger mess than it was in Saddam Hussein's time so now that the job is still half finished it is necessary to stay in Iraq and finish the job of flushing out Al Qaeda so in a way I agree with her even if the word "righteous" is religious bull$h!t

 

Righteous cause? What a big load of bollocks.

 

If America had kept itself to itself it most likely wouldn't of been attacked. The fact that it acts like a world police force pisses these factions off and the Americans get bit in the arse for it. If they didn't act like world police and still get attacked i'd have sympathy for them. There's 2 tradegies in this whole thing, the first is the death of thousands of innocent civilians on 9/11 because of their governments aggressive foreign policy makes Americans the figures of hate for most of the world. The second the unlawful war for oil/money that was the scapegoat for the terrorist attacks. America has no right to be in any country but their own. I hate politicians *cough* Bush *cough* McCain who think they have the right to storm into any country and police it. It's acts like that that got them attacked in the first place.

Righteous cause? What a big load of bollocks.

 

If America had kept itself to itself it most likely wouldn't of been attacked. The fact that it acts like a world police force pisses these factions off and the Americans get bit in the arse for it. If they didn't act like world police and still get attacked i'd have sympathy for them. There's 2 tradegies in this whole thing, the first is the death of thousands of innocent civilians on 9/11 because of their governments aggressive foreign policy makes Americans the figures of hate for most of the world. The second the unlawful war for oil/money that was the scapegoat for the terrorist attacks. America has no right to be in any country but their own. I hate politicians *cough* Bush *cough* McCain who think they have the right to storm into any country and police it. It's acts like that that got them attacked in the first place.

 

America was attacked though not because of its role as "world policeman" but because of its support and financing of Israel, America is heavily jewish controlled in business and one of the reasons why the WTC was targeted is because it was the biggest symbol of Jewish owned wealth in the west so it had nothing to do with world policeman but everything to do with bankrolling Israel thus Al Qaeda holding America responsible for the situation with the palestinians

 

9/11 was planned by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in 1998 when Clinton was still president so it is not a GOP related thing either, the previous attack on the WTC was under Clinton's watch too (1993) so it is not just about Bush or GOP etc it is about America's support for Israel which is a cross party thing so America will be no more safe if Obama gets in

America was attacked though not because of its role as "world policeman" but because of its support and financing of Israel, America is heavily jewish controlled in business and one of the reasons why the WTC was targeted is because it was the biggest symbol of Jewish owned wealth in the west so it had nothing to do with world policeman but everything to do with bankrolling Israel thus Al Qaeda holding America responsible for the situation with the palestinians

 

9/11 was planned by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in 1998 when Clinton was still president so it is not a GOP related thing either, the previous attack on the WTC was under Clinton's watch too (1993) so it is not just about Bush or GOP etc it is about America's support for Israel which is a cross party thing so America will be no more safe if Obama gets in

 

that doesnt figure... if the problem was with israel pre-se then why didnt they attack israel?. of course it was americas self elected role as world policemen that inflamed the situation.

 

however, i am not of the persuasion that if they didnt interfere with other nations they wouldnt have been attacked . im pretty certain that any mad religious fanatic would find an excuse to attack the west.

So Palin thinks the War in Iraq is a "righteous cause". What more proof do you need that McCain & Palin are no different to Bush & Cheney?

 

lord... this is worrying, that sort of rhetoric must send shivers down any right thinking persons spine...

America was attacked though not because of its role as "world policeman" but because of its support and financing of Israel, America is heavily jewish controlled in business and one of the reasons why the WTC was targeted is because it was the biggest symbol of Jewish owned wealth in the west so it had nothing to do with world policeman but everything to do with bankrolling Israel thus Al Qaeda holding America responsible for the situation with the palestinians

 

9/11 was planned by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in 1998 when Clinton was still president so it is not a GOP related thing either, the previous attack on the WTC was under Clinton's watch too (1993) so it is not just about Bush or GOP etc it is about America's support for Israel which is a cross party thing so America will be no more safe if Obama gets in

Well it could be argued that both points are the reason for them being attacked. America's role in the Somalian civil war during the early 90's spread Al Qaeda and futhered the hatred of the west and America inparticular in Africa. The biased helping of Israel has been discussed before on the forum and i don't deny that their involvement with eachother makes them prime target for terrorists. But can't America aiding Israel against their enemies be seen as them policing that area of the world?

 

They had an aggressive foreign policy before Bush, 9/11 gave the bush administration the excuse for more agression and thus terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda have increased. A war with Iran would only make the problem worse IMO and therefore i'd side with Obama if i was an American cos it seems like he generally wants to mend what Bush has done wrong and get the f*** out of there.