January 23, 200916 yr Beth Rowley (who?) :o :o :o you're kidding, right? :rolleyes: I think a quick root around last year's best albums is called for - Beth Rowley is easily among them. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=33Hk_GFhIxA&...feature=related Great to see Pet Shop Boys finally getting the credit they so rightly deserve, too.
January 23, 200916 yr :o :o :o you're kidding, right? :rolleyes: I think a quick root around last year's best albums is called for - Beth Rowley is easily among them. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=33Hk_GFhIxA&...feature=related It's not that much of a shock surely? She hasn't had much hype or mainstream success. It's kinda like last year when I had no idea who Bat for Lashes was. I only found out about her in the Buzzjack Song Contest, a month after the album came out, thanks to Matt and shortly after I bought her album on impulse. I certainly wasn't disappointed and it was one of my favourite albums of the year so her nomination is thoroughly deserved even though the album didn't sell much and none of her singles made an impact.
January 23, 200916 yr The album sold pretty well...and the hype aound it was pretty big, too - all the music mags gave rave reviews, she was generally lauded as the next big thing throughout last summer..... she was certainly more in the public consciousness than Bat For Lashes (who I love...a lot). Beth Rowley's Little Dreamer is one helluva fine album.... she absolutely deserves her nomination.
January 23, 200916 yr Best single used to be nominated from a shortlist of around 100 by the public - there were 10 rounds of 10 and then a final 10 I think...it was all done on radio 1 and voting through 0898 numbers. That's what happened in 1991 when Depeche Mode won for Enjoy the Silence Amazing that - a single that was genuinely good and still sounds good today. The nominations for best single including Alexandra Burke and the X Factor Finalists is ridiculous - unless genuinely innovative in its execution, how can you possibly reward a like for like cover version that was engineered only to make money for its musicality?
January 23, 200916 yr The album sold pretty well...and the hype aound it was pretty big, too - all the music mags gave rave reviews, she was generally lauded as the next big thing throughout last summer..... she was certainly more in the public consciousness than Bat For Lashes (who I love...a lot). Beth Rowley's Little Dreamer is one helluva fine album.... she absolutely deserves her nomination. Not really, it isn't in the top 200 end of year albums list while the Saturdays are at #198 with there album which sold 85-90k in 2008. She didn't really live up to the hype with success but she certainly did with quality. She's certainly the least known one on that list. On a separate note, is it a rule that you can't be nominated two years in row if you haven't released any new material? It just seems odd that they wouldn't nominate Leona again when they've nominated M.I.A. who released her last album before Leona's debut and in 2008 she had one minor hit, re-released her album and toured but I'm guessing it's allowed because she wasn't nominated last year. Even though she's my favourite of the nominees it seems odd that she was picked over other British females who have released last year.
January 23, 200916 yr The rules have been changed since then I believe. Yes, they have changed - Annie Lennox and/or Kate Bush are no longer automatically included in the shortlist for Best British Female. Edited January 23, 200916 yr by DitzyNizzy
January 23, 200916 yr Oh sod off with the 'Take That 'stole ...' just because Leona didn't win anything last year. Take That stole nothing! I agree ... Shine was a bit questionable ... but Patience definitely deserved its win! You were one of those laughing in agreement at that 'ima' post ... so I take everything you say with a pinch of salt - you obviously hate Take That ... and that is your want ... it is up to you. I get the impression though ... that you'd even think Leona Lewis is better than the Beatles - so your opinion don't really mean jack-$h!t to me! Sorry if that offends but I really don't care what you think! Norma I'm not gonna lie and say i love TT as i don't agree with what they do. And you can only judge if Paitence deserved to win by looking at the other nominees. Although i don't think Shine should have been eligible, it is IMO better than Patience and probably one of their best hits. But do you honestly think that should have beaten BL? And answering to the beatles comment, Leona is a better vocalist than the beatles but they are better with instruments and to be honest you can't really compare the two music wise as they are completely different. And BTW, you can't get annoyed every time someone says something negative about TT
January 23, 200916 yr :o :o :o you're kidding, right? :rolleyes: I think a quick root around last year's best albums is called for - Beth Rowley is easily among them. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=33Hk_GFhIxA&...feature=related Great to see Pet Shop Boys finally getting the credit they so rightly deserve, too. No. I haven't noticed her in the charts and haven't read anything about her. But as i don't know her or her music, i shouldn't really judge whether she deserves to be nominated.
January 23, 200916 yr I'm afraid fanbase will always win if you let the public vote. I wouldn't have given either Take That or Leona best single last year (perhaps TT if it had been RTW thought) I'd have picked About You Now by Sugababes and I'm not even a fan of them.
January 23, 200916 yr Suddenly i have the image of Gary Barlow pushing poor Leona and taking her Brit Awards :rolleyes: . Sorry, but that "stole" is ridiculous - they didn't force anybody to give them the awards and if the british people found that song more to like as Leona's, i don't think is Take That blame. Question the public or critics taste if you don't like who win the awards, but the win and the nominations are not the blame of the artist :rolleyes: . The Brits award will remain not a measure of quality but of popularity - either at the public or at the critics. When i look back at some Brits Awards for singles or albums, i even cannot remember to hear it :naughty: . Awards generally are good for sell but not too reliable to tell which artist is a timeless one, who will influence the music history - they are to quick after the music release to really see the depth.
January 23, 200916 yr Suddenly i have the image of Gary Barlow pushing poor Leona and taking her Brit Awards :rolleyes: . Sorry, but that "stole" is ridiculous - they didn't force anybody to give them the awards and if the british people found that song more to like as Leona's, i don't think is Take That blame. Question the public or critics taste if you don't like who win the awards, but the win and the nominations are not the blame of the artist :rolleyes: . The Brits award will remain not a measure of quality but of popularity - either at the public or at the critics. When i look back at some Brits Awards for singles or albums, i even cannot remember to hear it :naughty: . Awards generally are good for sell but not too reliable to tell which artist is a timeless one, who will influence the music history - they are to quick after the music release to really see the depth. I used the term 'stole' because IMO they don't deserve to win it twice in a row when the second song they were nominated for was over a year old. But you are right about how the awards are not chosen by quality as the last two winners of the BRIT awards prove :P
January 23, 200916 yr Only that I don't mean only the award for single but inclusiv for the album, breaktrough act,male singger, female singer, etc. They follow the same path :rolleyes: Edited January 23, 200916 yr by IrisAlbastru
January 23, 200916 yr I used the term 'stole' because IMO they don't deserve to win it twice in a row when the second song they were nominated for was over a year old. But you are right about how the awards are not chosen by quality as the last two winners of the BRIT awards prove :P The truth is though Stu ... I think the Brits were trying to swindle Take That last year. They could have nominated them for Rule The World but went with, what they thought (and they were correct) a lesser Take That song ... hoping that the public would dig them out of a hole and vote for Bleeding Love and give Leona the 'best single' award hence taking the pressure off them for not giving her a 'panel voted' award. It backfired though, because Take That's 'second best' single of the year still won out. Had RTW been put forward .... they simply would have just won by a greater margin! This is my opinion of course but that does not alter the fact that it is correct! :lol: But, as a Take That fan, I am big enough to say that their single this time Greatest Day DOES NOT deserve to be nominated. You see this is why we Take That fans on Buzzjack are not as blinkered and fanatical as some other artists' fans. :lol: :lol: Norma BTW - I don't get angry at every poster that posts something negative about Take That. I DO get angry when people like 'ima w anker' make generalised comments about fans of certain artists. And just as angry as, to be frank the 'sheeplike' behaviour from posters such as yourself who chuckle and agree. Your agreement of 'ima w anker's post just told me that you see me as some frustrated, middle-aged, sex-deprived 'wishes she was a teenager' reliving her youth! If I wanted to relive my teenage fantasies .... I'd be on the phone morning noon and night asking Jeff Lynne to get it back together with Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy and the rest of ELO! Edited January 23, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers
January 23, 200916 yr And another double post ... I do apologise but its excitement at the thought of a 'proper' ELO reunion! Norma Edited January 23, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers
January 23, 200916 yr The truth is though Stu ... I think the Brits were trying to swindle Take That last year. They could have nominated them for Rule The World but went with, what they thought (and they were correct) a lesser Take That song ... hoping that the public would dig them out of a hole and vote for Bleeding Love and give Leona the 'best single' award hence taking the pressure off them for not giving her a 'panel voted' award. It backfired though, because Take That's 'second best' single of the year still won out. Had RTW been put forward .... they simply would have just won by a greater margin! This is my opinion of course but that does not alter the fact that it is correct! :lol: But, as a Take That fan, I am big enough to say that their single this time Greatest Day DOES NOT deserve to be nominated. You see this is why we Take That fans on Buzzjack are not as blinkered and fanatical as some other artists' fans. :lol: :lol: Norma BTW - I don't get angry at every poster that posts something negative about Take That. I DO get angry when people like 'ima w anker' make generalised comments about fans of certain artists. And just as angry as, to be frank the 'sheeplike' behaviour from posters such as yourself who chuckle and agree. Your agreement of 'ima w anker's post just told me that you see me as some frustrated, middle-aged, sex-deprived 'wishes she was a teenager' reliving her youth! If I wanted to relive my teenage fantasies .... I'd be on the phone morning noon and night asking Jeff Lynne to get it back together with Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy and the rest of ELO! TBH i can't remember the post Ima or whoever made but at the time it seemed funny. Don't get me wrong though, i don't think its right to stereotype certain artist's fans. Sorry if i did cause offence but i just don't believe they deserved the awards. I wouldn't of mind if RTW won last year as that was eligible where as i don't believe Shine should of been. And i wasn't a keen fan of Patience also but different people have different tastes and as an open-minded person, i can see why you like TT :P
January 23, 200916 yr TBH i can't remember the post Ima or whoever made but at the time it seemed funny. Don't get me wrong though, i don't think its right to stereotype certain artist's fans. Sorry if i did cause offence but i just don't believe they deserved the awards. I wouldn't of mind if RTW won last year as that was eligible where as i don't believe Shine should of been. And i wasn't a keen fan of Patience also but different people have different tastes and as an open-minded person, i can see why you like TT :P Apology accepted! :lol: :lol: :lol: Norma
January 24, 200916 yr TBH i can't remember the post Ima or whoever made but at the time it seemed funny. Don't get me wrong though, i don't think its right to stereotype certain artist's fans. Sorry if i did cause offence but i just don't believe they deserved the awards. I wouldn't of mind if RTW won last year as that was eligible where as i don't believe Shine should of been. And i wasn't a keen fan of Patience also but different people have different tastes and as an open-minded person, i can see why you like TT :P But Shine was clearly eligible. It was released in late Feb 2007 going to #1 in March. The 2008 Brit awards effectively covered the "music year" Dec 1st 2006 to Dec 31st 2007 as far as singles were concerned.
January 24, 200916 yr ya the noms are based on Sales and airplay and when the year was over Shine had greater overall airplay and sales points as it was out for the whole year. its a similar situation to Leona this year. BIT clearly sold less than Run but it did excellently on the Airplay department as its been out for the whole year, so its overall points would have been more. hence its nomination.
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