mass selling acts have historically always appealed to 'nice easy' listening people.... it used to grate me when people who knew nothing about music suddenly discovered an act and praised it as 'the best ever'.... a parellel i cant clearly see here in coldplay.

 

Pretty much what I was trying to say... The army of so-called "music lovers" who buy about three CDs per year, and listen to fukk all else other that what's on mainstream radio channels such as Virgin or that one that plays wall-to-wall AOR pish (Magic I think it's called).....

 

Sorry, but there is simply no way in hell that 99% of Coldplay fans are aware of Anathema's existence, it's not a generalisation at all comparing the album sales (although the should be, Anathema are kind of doing what Coldplay do in that sort of Pink Floyd/Radiohead/AOR/Progressive way, they're simply hell of a lot MORE INTERESTING musically...), and probably not much more of them would be able to handle a band like the Mars Volta... But, we are talking basically about the same genre broadly speaking...

 

I detest Coldplay for the same reasons I detested Dire Straits or Chris Rea.....

But to suggest that Razorlight are better beggars belief, and to say even the Saturdays are better is the funniest thing I have heard in ages. Since when was standing up wiggling your butt in 8-inch heels and miming to another person’s lyrics, more talented than 4 guys who write all their own songs and perform live (no miming) on stage. The Saturdays are just fluff, here today gone tomorrow eye candy for teenage males to wet themselves over; it’s certainly not for the musical creativeness of them. :D

 

Give me Coldplay any day to the Saturdays, Razorlight or dross like that.

 

 

Exactly mate... here today, gone tomorrow.... ie, NOT boring us sh!tless with their godawful, cacky, pretentious, boring, stale, watered-down pish for the best part of 20 fukkin' years no dobut (we've already had 10 years of it)..... 18 months of inconsequential, brainless fluff, or two decades of what I just described...... :rolleyes:

 

Although, I have to admit, I wonder why-oh-why the hell Rob is praising umitigated toss like Razorsh!te...... He's somewhat undermining his whole argument..... :rolleyes:

 

Pretty much what I was trying to say...

 

Sorry, but there is simply no way in hell that 99% of Coldplay fans are aware of Anathema's existence, it's not a generalisation at all comparing the album sales (although the should be, Anathema are kind of doing what Coldplay do in that sort of Pink Floyd/Radiohead/AOR/Progressive way, they're simply hell of a lot MORE INTERESTING musically...), and probably not much more of them would be able to handle a band like the Mars Volta... But, we are talking basically about the same genre broadly speaking...

 

I detest Coldplay for the same reasons I detested Dire Straits or Chris Rea.....

I find Anathema's music more interesting than Coldplay. ;)

You might want to listen to Sigur Ros, oh wait, that's post-rock. :lol:

 

Exactly mate... here today, gone tomorrow.... ie, NOT boring us sh!tless with their godawful, cacky, pretentious, boring, stale, watered-down pish for the best part of 20 fukkin' years no dobut (we've already had 10 years of it)..... 18 months of inconsequential, brainless fluff, or two decades of what I just described...... :rolleyes:

 

Although, I have to admit, I wonder why-oh-why the hell Rob is praising umitigated toss like Razorsh!te...... He's somewhat undermining his whole argument..... :rolleyes:

I might be that MMRob is more open-minded than you. :lol:

Edited February 7, 200916 yr by funmaker11

Can we just wrap this up as it all seems very unnecessary and boring with Grim and Rob seemingly trying to repeat their trick of The Saturdays thread in the pop forum.

 

Okay, then Grebo, you tell me which acts we're allowed to criticise, and which we're not to..... I take it we're okay on Razorlight then, what about Keane...? Can we slag those off...? How about Kaiser Chiefs.....? Tell you what, make up an approved list for what acts we can and can't criticise..... God, and here was me thinking that Indie/Alt fans were a bit more sensible and more open to criticism of their idols than those who listen to The Saturdays or Micheal Jackson......Seems I was wrong in that....

 

It's clear to me that some people on this bloody forum seem to think that there are "sacred cows" out there that we're somehow not allowed to dare criticise or slag off.....

 

Fukk that..... The bigger they are, the more scope for critcism if you ask me..... And just because some people treat sodding Coldplay like they're the second coming of the fukkin' Messiah or summat, doesn't mean to say that I have to.....

 

I think what is manifestively clear is that you fail to appreciate Chris Martin & the band's self depreciating sense of humour. I guess a dry sense of humour is too subtle for you.

 

“I send my love to Liam. We're not in a fight with anyone, as we in the band all know we are not the best band in the world today despite what some polls in music magazines say. U2, Radiohead, Oasis, Arcade Fire, Metallica even Take That are better than us.”

 

“It seems surreal that we're going to play concerts again, because I haven't met anyone who likes us for two years.”

"I don't mind not being cool.”

“Some people are into bondage... and some people are into crossdressing... and some people are into Coldplay. It's okay, I don't mind being a fetish.”

“Somewhere in the world Alan McGee is having a heart attack. He said we'd never make it.”

“If I have a problem with a chorus, I like to go into the men’s room, ’cause the echo is nice. Doesn’t smell so great, so you need to write it quickly, get out of there.”

“It's very hard to find things that rhyme with North American Free Trade Agreement.”

“I couldn’t possibly write a hit record when I’ve got a beer belly, so we’re just trying to write as many songs as possible before that D-Day, or B-Day it should be - for Belly Day.”

 

I also admire an act that in this day in age are religious (they are all christians) and are not afraid to utilize that in their music, which goes against the grain of Rock'n'roll music.

 

“I definitely appreciate opportunities in life more than anything else after going through that. God has a way of getting your attention. I didn't know if I'd ever play basketball again. I'm very thankful.”

 

But the quote where you are getting your wrong conclusion about Coldplay is from the Q Awards a few years back when they surprisingly beat Arctic Monkeys to the accolade & ended up receiving a mouthful of abuse from the slightly drunken Sheffield act fronted by the wonderfully acerbic Alex Turner:

 

“Coldplay is for people with great taste, intelligence, incredible good lookingness, talent, ability, success, grabbing of life. Coldplay’s for people who know what life’s about. They’re always entertaining. Delightful to talk to. Sweet, charming, incredibly good in bed. Virile. They have incredible success with girls, or boys, or both. They’re generally just the world’s best citizens. Maybe I’m biased, but I’m definitely right. Some of you probably hate us but I couldn't give a f*** [can we use that] because we're (humourously pointing the award mock triumphantly towards the Sheffield band) the best act in the world.”

 

"..We're not even the best act in the room, let alone the best act in the world"

 

Yeah, okay Rich, you're totally right dude.... Chris(t) Martin is a "decent bloke" who readily admits he's a bit boring and cr@p... And, well, we'll just all kiss his arse and give him LOADS of awards because he....er.... is a "decent bloke" and admits he's a bit boring and cr@p...... :rolleyes:

 

I'm sorry, but does the fact of his "self deprecating" humour actually make me want to inflict Coldplay's incredibly DULL music on myself.... No, it sure as hell does NOT..... and it sure as hell does NOT make his pretentious, slightly hypocritical witterings about the bloody environment or his "faith" something I particularly want to listen to either.....

 

Give me a raving psychopath who makes incredible, awe-inspiring music over a "decent, earnest" bloke who makes absolute tedious, dull, grey cack any day..... :rolleyes:

 

well I'll add my twopennorth.... if Coldplay sold about 10 records each album, we wouldn't be having this convo.

 

As it is, they sell gazillions.... so it's ok to hate them.

 

I own the 4 albums...and pretty much think they're all ok. Not life changing, not groundbreaking... but pleasant-enough, well-written, produced and, in parts, lyrically brilliant.

 

If Coldplay were massive and made Godawful music, then, ok, knock them.... but they don't make Godawful music...ok, it may be a little tame for some, and be a little unoriginal for others... but the music stands for itself. 'Fix You' is a great, great record. Unhip, totally.... but it's a fantastic record.

 

Keane, too - I hate the band themselves... but some of the first album was excellent... and some of the new one is pretty damn good, too. But they're so uncool, a la Coldplay, and it's ok to knock them just because of this - regardless of how good or bad the music is.

 

Razorlight...I can live without, although the last single was ok.

 

 

 

 

Grimly, this is just an exercise in lighting the blue touch paper and standing well back to watch the explosion. I have nothing against criticism but dressing up a moan as criticism is crap (and even Rob admitted that he was having a moan.)

 

 

 

well I'll add my twopennorth.... if Coldplay sold about 10 records each album, we wouldn't be having this convo.

 

As it is, they sell gazillions.... so it's ok to hate them.

 

I own the 4 albums...and pretty much think they're all ok. Not life changing, not groundbreaking... but pleasant-enough, well-written, produced and, in parts, lyrically brilliant.

 

If Coldplay were massive and made Godawful music, then, ok, knock them.... but they don't make Godawful music...ok, it may be a little tame for some, and be a little unoriginal for others... but the music stands for itself. 'Fix You' is a great, great record. Unhip, totally.... but it's a fantastic record.

 

Keane, too - I hate the band themselves... but some of the first album was excellent... and some of the new one is pretty damn good, too. But they're so uncool, a la Coldplay, and it's ok to knock them just because of this - regardless of how good or bad the music is.

 

Razorlight...I can live without, although the last single was ok.

 

mate, if Coldplay were even halfway decent, I wouldn't have a problem.... Oasis were halfway decent, did one really excellent album, the rest, not so great, but not so utterly without any merit at all.... I can honestly say that I dont like anything Coldplay have recorded... They're boring, deeply, offensively unoriginal... It's beyond the "Dad Rock" of stuff like Ocean Colour Scene or Stereophonics into a whole new level of cr@p..... Tame??? It's fukkin' TEPID.....

 

And it's infected the entire scene.... If you look at the bands who followed in the wake of REM for example and who found success on the back of REM's huge popularity.... Well, it's a pretty stark contrast..... That, to me, is what Chris Martin is... The retarded version of Michael Stipe.... REM did something great for Indie and Alternative music, Coldplay simply have 'inspired' (if you can call it that...) a whole load of nothings.....

Grimly, this is just an exercise in lighting the blue touch paper and standing well back to watch the explosion. I have nothing against criticism but dressing up a moan as criticism is crap (and even Rob admitted that he was having a moan.)

 

 

You know, I'm frankly surprised at you, you're usually a pretty intelligent guy, I'd've thought you and Russ of ALL people would be able to see through Coldplay for what they are.....

 

Clearly your worship of Chris(t) Martin is a rare lapse of both your good taste/judgement......

 

BTW apparently Killing Joke wanted to sue Nirvana for the Eighties riff but they couldn't afford to. I can't imagine Jaz Coleman would have just taken it on the chin.

 

Yeah, Jaz Coleman harboured such a grudge against Nirvana doing that, that he invited Dave Grohl to do the drumming on The Killing Joke's comeback album..... :rolleyes: :lol:

 

Yeah, he was probably initially annoyed, anyone would be, then after a while, he calmed down a bit and probably saw it more as sincere flattery....

Although, I have to admit, I wonder why-oh-why the hell Rob is praising umitigated toss like Razorsh!te...... He's somewhat undermining his whole argument..... :rolleyes:

 

why? has razorlight been accused of plagiarism? no. i can overlook burrel being a tosser because i like razorlights music. its good, honest pop (yes pop), i find it melodic and pleasant to listen too... something i clearly dont with coldplay so i fail to see the comparison :)

 

 

I might be that MMRob is more open-minded than you. :lol:

 

:lol: .... i like what i like, i dont pre-judge any new track, my taste isnt political or 'cool' (otherwise i wouldnt like scj/8 lol) . whatever a track is...if it triggers summut in my head, then ill like it rgardless. so maybe i AM more open minded then grim, on the other hand he might say that he has higher standards! :lol:

 

 

Grimly, this is just an exercise in lighting the blue touch paper and standing well back to watch the explosion. I have nothing against criticism but dressing up a moan as criticism is crap (and even Rob admitted that he was having a moan.)

 

its what a forum should be about.... arguing/discussing/debating 'sacred cows'. this sort of threat tests ones own thoughts and hopefully stimulates others. i think some though have taken this attack too personally... it aint.

 

must admit i too am surprised that brian n russ are 'fans' of them... oh well, maybe it proves my point that they appeal to too many old buggers! mums n dads ! :P :lol:

You know, I'm frankly surprised at you, you're usually a pretty intelligent guy, I'd've thought you and Russ of ALL people would be able to see through Coldplay for what they are.....

 

Clearly your worship of Chris(t) Martin is a rare lapse of both your good taste/judgement......

 

And if you read this thread properly you will see I have commented once on their music, admitting a liking for A Rush of Blood and a deep dislike of everything after. I have had more of a problem with the thread itself.

I have had more of a problem with the thread itself.

 

Sorry, but your objections to the thread are silly tbh... And you and Rich seem to be implying that me and Rob shouldn't be expressing our opinions or, god forbid, have a go at a seemingly "sacred cow" just because they happen to win some awards, which they themselves admit they dont deserve... I just feel that indie and alt have become far more boring places because of the likes of Coldplay and My Chemical Romance, when you compare it to the genuinely exciting times when it was the likes of REM, Nirvana, Primal Scream, Happy Mondays and Stone Roses that were the "names" being dropped..... The "Britpop" era was far more exciting also..... I'd take the real buzz that was generated with Blur Vs Oasis over this godawful, stagnant bollocks of a (s)indie haircut boy band scene that exists now any day of the week.....

 

If Coldplay have created an "epoch" as Rich has said, well, it's a pretty fukkin' boring one, and if they define the Indie era that exists now, well, it aint worth a damn IMO.....

 

No wonder I choose to listen more to Metal or underground EBM/Industrial these days..... For me, Metallica getting their mojo back was a vastly more musically significant event than bloody "Viva La Vida"..... Hopefully, along with Slipknot getting bigger and bigger, it can create an even stronger Metal scene that'll sweep aside the weedy, whiny (s)indie and emo bollocks that passes for real Indie Rock/Alt Rock these days..... :rolleyes:

TBH I don't let Coldplay bother me now. So what if they're selling masses of records all over the place. There are loads of good indie records around, you just have to look which is what serious music fans should be doing anyway. And none of it comes from that Coldplay stable of bollocks.

 

Granted a lot of the bands want to be Joy Division but hey what better example of a band is there to follow anyway.

 

And best of all I have found a copy of Shaved Beatnik by Walkingseeds to replace mmy vinyl copy so I can actually listen to it again. I am now a happy bunny again.

 

So forget Coldplay if you don't like them and ignore them. I know I do.

 

 

Granted a lot of the bands want to be Joy Division but hey what better example of a band is there to follow anyway.

 

Only works when you get the rarity like Interpol who do it properly..... Quite astonishing really, an American band who seem to "get" Joy Division more than most of the UK bands.....

GRIMLY, I will quote what you have to say about Lady GaGa in the pop forum:

 

Ga Ga is clearly better than Cher, and obviously about a thousand times better than The Saturdays.... True, there's nothing particularly "original" in what she does, but she's clearly not been manufactured, can write her own material (as well as material for others), has a talent for producing as well, so, I would say, if anything, she's a "revitalized Madonna".... There's a very BIG difference between The Sats and GaGa, one is a totally manufactured group who dont appear to have any influences or inspiration of their own (hence their producers and managers plundering this or that from the 80s, I sure know what the influences of The Saturdays' management and production team are.... ), the other is a self-made artist who uses her influences (and they are HER influences) extremely well to create her own myth... No, her music isn't original in that sense, but it's certainly her attitude and personality which comes through in the songs...

 

The parts in bold are what Coldplay do - they are not manufactured, they write their own material (lyrics as well as music of course, as you will throw the plagarising argument back at me), Chris Martin has written for both Nelly Furtado and Jameila, and they have a hand in producing their own music.

 

So, this comes down to fact that you don't like them, does it not?

GRIMLY, I will quote what you have to say about Lady GaGa in the pop forum:

The parts in bold are what Coldplay do - they are not manufactured, they write their own material (lyrics as well as music of course, as you will throw the plagarising argument back at me), Chris Martin has written for both Nelly Furtado and Jameila, and they have a hand in producing their own music.

 

So, this comes down to fact that you don't like them, does it not?

 

Difference... Coldplay are BORING, and make dull, uninteresting music...... :lol: :P I dont give two sh"ts if Chris Martin is writing and producing for this, that and the other, it's WHAT he produces I have a problem with..... And what he's basically producing is REM, Radiohead, Echo, etc, with all the interesting bits taken out.....

 

You know, it really IS saying something when an act can come from the mainstream/chart genre and actually produce stuff that's vastly more INTERESTING and spiky than the so-called "great white hope" of the UK "alternative" (and I use the term very loosely) scene...... We used to have interesting indiepop stars in this country, Morrissey, Jarvis, Ian Brown, Bobby Gillespie, Damon Albarn, The Gallaghers, Sean Ryder, Thom Yorke.... Now we have Chris Martin, that tosser from Razorlight, Pete junkie boy Doherty and Puke Prickhard from the godawful Kooks......

 

Grim your gonna love this,

 

 

Coldplay won best rock album over Metallica at the Grammys :rofl:

If Coldplay have created an "epoch" as Rich has said,

 

i dont accept that premis at all.... imho they are no joy division, happy mondays, nirvana, u2, or even oasis . i dont accept that starsailor, keane, et al are coldplay clones.... in fact id suggest that coldplay are a travis clone! lol, . their style of music isnt anything new, it aint original, coldplay are simply churning out the same safe , plain, uninspiring poprock that many before them have already done

 

 

 

Difference... Coldplay are BORING, and make dull, uninteresting music...... :lol: :P I dont give two sh"ts if Chris Martin is writing and producing for this, that and the other, it's WHAT he produces I have a problem with..... And what he's basically producing is REM, Radiohead, Echo, etc, with all the interesting bits taken out.....

 

You know, it really IS saying something when an act can come from the mainstream/chart genre and actually produce stuff that's vastly more INTERESTING and spiky than the so-called "great white hope" of the UK "alternative" (and I use the term very loosely) scene...... We used to have interesting indiepop stars in this country, Morrissey, Jarvis, Ian Brown, Bobby Gillespie, Damon Albarn, The Gallaghers, Sean Ryder, Thom Yorke.... Now we have Chris Martin, that tosser from Razorlight, Pete junkie boy Doherty and Puke Prickhard from the godawful Kooks......

 

exactly! coldplay are not fit to be mentioned with the real artists.

 

Grim your gonna love this,

Coldplay won best rock album over Metallica at the Grammys :rofl:

 

O M F G! ..... what a load of bollox, coldplay are POP anyway.... ffs... pop acts from the past have produced heavier, rockier music then coldplay... slade, sweet, even dave dee, dozy, beaky, mick and tich! :lol: yet there was never any doubt that they were pop groups.

Coldplay won best rock album over Metallica at the Grammys :rofl:

 

That's the biggest fukkin' insult of all..... Coldplay "rock" about as much as a fukkin' DEAD FISH, the Grammys are clearly clueless as to what constitutes "rock", Coldplay are almost certainly an Indiepop group...... <_< Oh yeah, Coldplay, they're a really "rockin'" band..... Yeah, I have no doubt at all that Coldplay will feature on the cover of the next Kerrang, Terrorizer, Rock Sound or Metal Hammer wont they.....? Fukk Sake....... <_<

 

And Rob is totally spot on... I've heard guitar POP bands releasing heavier stuff than Coldplay.... The Beatles did stuff like "Helter Skelter", "Tomorrow Never Knows", "She Said", "Happiness is a Warm Gun", etc, which was a hell of a lot edgier and "heavy" than any weak-ass sh!t released by Coldplay....

 

Giving Coldplay an award for "Best Rock" is a bit like giving The Saturdays or Danni Minogue an award for "Best Underground Electronica"...... :rolleyes: