February 15, 200916 yr I think science / DNA could play a part, I think that something in the genetic make up of chavs is causing them to act this way and behave the way they do so I think scientists and doctors need to undertake a detailed analysis of the genetic make up of chavs, this would involve experiiments on chavs to see if there is anything like a "chav gene" in their genetic make up, these experiments would be conducted on chavs that are serving prison sentences such as the one that shot that 11 year old in Liverpool, if anything is found that shows that the genetic make up of chavs is different to say normal people that causes them to act and behave the way they do then all chavs in this country would be forced to undergo treatment to get their genetic make up the same as normal people and thus in a generation or 2 chavs are a thing of the past as their genetics have been altered more in line with normal people :lol: :lol: God, I really, really shouldn't say this, but part of me actually likes that idea....... :rolleyes: But, er, we really should be careful though, what if the same sort of technology is used to "correct" people who have a non-mainstream outlook on life, Goths, Crusties, Metalheads, people with Leftist political views, Homosexuals, Alternative Lifestyle people (of which I know you're one mate..... :P ). It's potentially a bit dangerous if we get the likes of the BNP voted in power, so I dunno..... :unsure:
February 15, 200916 yr To be fair, I'd do the same. Normally I wouldn't want anything to do with her, I'd just want to forget her completely. However they're now becoming some hideous media types and if there is potential fraud then I'd want people to know! Yeah, that's a good point. But I wouldn't have thought the 16 year old guy would want a paternity test if it wasn't all over the tabloids. It happened with Anna Nicole Smith, but I guess the situation is slightly different. :P
February 15, 200916 yr Father at 13: Little children, big money Everyone says that the story of Alfie Patten, the tiny boy-child now paraded as the father of a child of his own, is a morality tale for the 21st century. The trouble is, no one seems to be clear what the moral is. That we have a "broken society"? That some early teenagers think that having a baby is a smart career move? Or, as Alfie and Chantelle, the child's mother, are discovering, that having such a well-publicised and extraordinary birth is akin to entering the world of reality television – nice, lucrative work if you can get it, but peopled with pitfalls and sharks that even grown-ups have trouble coping with. For this weekend the two children find themselves at the centre of a global media feeding frenzy, bidding wars, contracts and the promise of hundreds of thousands of pounds – a sum many will see as a distinctly inappropriate return for a night of playing unprotected mothers and fathers. At least 15 television companies are locked in a fierce battle to make a documentary about the cherubic teenager's young fatherhood, and media experts estimate Alfie could earn up to half a million pounds. The Independent on Sunday has also learnt that behind this week's revelations was a furious row between Alfie's family and The Sun. The newspaper is accused of "turning over" the family and reneging on a deal to pay about £25,000 for the initial photographs and video interview, which was uploaded on the paper's website. The media relations expert Max Clifford, who looks after celebrities including Jade Goody and Simon Cowell, said that the family should have expected at least £100,000 for the photo spread that broke the news to the world. He is now representing the family after being called in on Friday, the day the story broke, by Alfie's father, Dennis, who has eight other children, after being deluged by the world's media. "When people come to me often it's not about money," Clifford said yesterday. "Dennis contacted me because the media were coming from every direction, as far away as Australia. I've always said that if the newspapers make money, then the people who are the story should make some of that money too." The story that appeared in The Sun, which was tipped off by a family member, hinged on the fact that Alfie didn't look old enough to father a child. Without the picture there would be no story – tales of 13-year-olds fathering children, although shocking, are not unusual enough to be news in themselves, even though in this case the mother, Chantelle Stedman was, at 15, older than the father. It is understood The Sun had offered Alfie's family up to £25,000 to take the photographs and video footage of the newborn child while the mother was still in Eastbourne Hospital, East Sussex. After Maisie Roxanne was born on Monday, Sun reporters and photographers posed as visitors to enter the hospital. The story was then published on Friday, the day after Chantelle and Maisie were discharged from hospital and when the deputy Sun editor Dominic Mohan was overseeing the paper. Sources say The Sun then sought to renege on its deal – believed to have been agreed only via email – and offered merely £10,000. It may still sound like a lot of money, but The Sun will have earned much more. Other sources have claimed that Mr Clifford and The Sun had a row about the failure to honour the initial deal, which Mr Clifford was not involved in. It is understood that at least 15 television production companies are involved in a bidding war to make a documentary about how Alfie copes with bringing up his daughter, with £80,000 expected to be paid by the winner. Phil Hall, the former editor of the News of the World, who now runs his own public relations company, said that the young couple could expect to earn up to half a million pounds in the next few years. "There would be a documentary, pictures of the child's first birthday, her first day at school when her father will possibly still be in school," he said. "Nobody wants to set up Alfie as a role model, or to celebrate what's happened. At the same time, people have a lot of sympathy with him. It's a moral dilemma, but this is a story that is worthy of national debate. "If Alfie turns out to do well in a few years, then it will be an upbeat story, success against the odds. And of course it has to be handled properly, with assurances that the money goes to Alfie and with the involvement of the authorities." The birth of Maisie sparked a moral furore, with former the Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith, who now runs the Centre for Social Justice think-tank, arguing that it showed Britain's moral decline. There was shock at how Alfie, who was 12 at the time of conception and is only four feet tall, could have fathered a child. He and Chantelle were reportedly allowed to stay together overnight by Chantelle's parents and had unprotected sex only once. Chantelle said she was on the pill but had forgotten to take it. The young parents are living with Chantelle's mother Penny, 38, father Steve, 43, and five siblings in a council house in Eastbourne. The family lives on benefits. No one from The Sun was available for comment. source Independent on Sunday You might have known it wouldn't take long for Max Clifford to get involved. Anywhere where he can grab some cash from any so called "celebrity" to get his 20%. I am just wondering, in a lot of cases the male tries to say I want a DNA test to prove the sprog is not mine, in this case little Alfie will just go with the flow and take all the cash that will surely come his way, whether he is really the father or not. Nice little earner as Arthur Daley used to say. This is a shocking story, until the next one comes along with the ages even lower.
February 15, 200916 yr Yet another example of teenage mothers on benefits. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/femail/artic...iplets-way.html
February 15, 200916 yr You said it. And you still haven't provided your solution despite me and Scott asking for it, yet again I ask you, how would you solve the problem ?
February 15, 200916 yr Looks like there are a few queuing up to claim they are the daddy.........................nothing to do with the possibility of cash. I'm the real daddy, Alfie http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/17766...o-prove-it.html Love this quote: And amazingly the News Of The World has uncovered claims that Chantelle was sleeping with as many as EIGHT teenage boys around the time the baby was conceived on the Old Town estate in Eastbourne, Sussex. :o
February 15, 200916 yr I would understand her being able to have so many lads on the go if she was like pretty or whatever but she is an obese lump of lard with the face of a pig if I was a teenage lad I sure wouldn't boast of a relationship with a gargoyle like that especally infront of a national newspaper
February 15, 200916 yr It would not suprise me if the 15 year old is the mum of the 13 year old. :lol: Now that is funny! Really the only thing to do at stories like this is laugh at them. It makes me sick when I think of my taxes and NI contributions going to fund creatures like this ... but if I didn't laugh ... I'd cry! The sad thing is I truly was once caring and compassionate ... but not anymore ... these creatures are just taking the p*** out of the state welfare system. Grimly was right ... Bevan would turn in his grave if he saw how his wonderful idea (and it was wonderful) is being abused in this way. Norma
February 15, 200916 yr The sad thing is I truly was once caring and compassionate ... but not anymore ... these creatures are just taking the p*** out of the state welfare system. Grimly was right ... Bevan would turn in his grave if he saw how his wonderful idea (and it was wonderful) is being abused in this way. Norma I wonder if Chantelle got her own house and Alfie moved in, would she be able to claim child benefit for the kid and the dad? <_<
February 15, 200916 yr I wonder if Chantelle got her own house and Alfie moved in, would she be able to claim child benefit for the kid and the dad? <_< Absurd as it may seem ... yes! She would be seen as his 'carer' and could claim an allowance for that. What really makes me sick is I've actually known people who have worked all their lives and then something has come along, and through no fault of their own ... they've had to apply for benefits ... and do you know what? For some reason, they haven't been 'eligible'. I don't think this kid is the father. She probably had a game of ludo with him and tricked him into thinking if she got all her counters home before he did ... it would make her pregnant! I mean, no offence, as well as looking about 8 - he has that look of 'dimness' about him. Or am I just being cruel? Norma
February 15, 200916 yr And you still haven't provided your solution despite me and Scott asking for it, yet again I ask you, how would you solve the problem ? Better sex education for a start. The countries with the lowest teenage pregnancy rates (e.g. Netherlands, Scandinavian countries) discuss sex much more openly. There have been stories of teenagers being given "dummy" babies to look after for a weekend to give them some idea of just how difficult it is. This seems to have had some success so why isn't it happening more? My main objection to your arguments (even if I ignore the ones which are so ridiculous they make Richard Littlejohn look like a liberal) is that hey potentially punish the children. Nobody gets to choose their parents and no child should bve punished by the state because of the inadequacies of their parents.
February 15, 200916 yr :lol: Now that is funny! Really the only thing to do at stories like this is laugh at them. It makes me sick when I think of my taxes and NI contributions going to fund creatures like this ... but if I didn't laugh ... I'd cry! The sad thing is I truly was once caring and compassionate ... but not anymore ... these creatures are just taking the p*** out of the state welfare system. Grimly was right ... Bevan would turn in his grave if he saw how his wonderful idea (and it was wonderful) is being abused in this way. Norma Aneurin Bevan was the minister who introduced the NHS. The man most responsible for the welfare state (including the NHS) was William Beveridge whose report provided the blueprint.
February 15, 200916 yr Aneurin Bevan was the minister who introduced the NHS. The man most responsible for the welfare state (including the NHS) was William Beveridge whose report provided the blueprint. Well even if it was Bev Bevan of ELO who introduced it ... it is being abused disgustingly. Norma
February 15, 200916 yr The Independent on Sunday has also learnt that behind this week's revelations was a furious row between Alfie's family and The Sun. The newspaper is accused of "turning over" the family and reneging on a deal to pay about £25,000 for the initial photographs and video interview, which was uploaded on the paper's website. The media relations expert Max Clifford, who looks after celebrities including Jade Goody and Simon Cowell, said that the family should have expected at least £100,000 for the photo spread that broke the news to the world. He is now representing the family after being called in on Friday, the day the story broke, by Alfie's father, Dennis, who has eight other children, after being deluged by the world's media. "When people come to me often it's not about money," Clifford said yesterday. "Dennis contacted me because the media were coming from every direction, as far away as Australia. I've always said that if the newspapers make money, then the people who are the story should make some of that money too." The story that appeared in The Sun, which was tipped off by a family member, hinged on the fact that Alfie didn't look old enough to father a child. Without the picture there would be no story – tales of 13-year-olds fathering children, although shocking, are not unusual enough to be news in themselves, even though in this case the mother, Chantelle Stedman was, at 15, older than the father. It is understood The Sun had offered Alfie's family up to £25,000 to take the photographs and video footage of the newborn child while the mother was still in Eastbourne Hospital, East Sussex. After Maisie Roxanne was born on Monday, Sun reporters and photographers posed as visitors to enter the hospital. The story was then published on Friday, the day after Chantelle and Maisie were discharged from hospital and when the deputy Sun editor Dominic Mohan was overseeing the paper. Sources say The Sun then sought to renege on its deal – believed to have been agreed only via email – and offered merely £10,000. It may still sound like a lot of money, but The Sun will have earned much more. As much as I resent the family conning the world, i'd only do the same if I were in their position! But nothing ever seizes to amaze me with the pile of shite that is The Sun. They'll print any old story without it being true, and then they'll manipulate people out of money. Why people still buy this paper unless you're a 13 year old lad I have no idea.
February 15, 200916 yr Which is why I think there should be no pussyfooting around here.. These kids are clearly incapable of looking after a child, and the "grandparents", fukkin' hell, bang up job they've done bringing up their own innit.....? There are so many more mature, childless couples out there with so much love to give a child, and a sense of responsibility too... Frankly, I'd get that bairn the hell out of there and put it up for adoption or fostering..... What a ridiculous thing to say the child should be taken away. Give the mother a chance to prove she can bring the baby up. She's only a week old. Fair enough if she fails or the child's "at risk" then act. The mother has every right to bring HER child up. Sometimes you talk out of your backside Grimley. How are they "clearly incapable of looking after a child"? Please explain this to me. Do you know them? Have you seen her getting up in the night and feeding and changing her? Is she being physically abused? I doubt it. The baby looks fine to me from what I've seen of her on TV. FFS give the lass a chance. If they're entitled to benefits when she's 16 then so what? Edited February 15, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris
February 15, 200916 yr What a ridiculous thing to say the child should be taken away. Give the mother a chance to prove she can bring the baby up. She's only a week old. Fair enough if she fails or the child's "at risk" then act. The mother has every right to bring HER child up. Sometimes you talk out of your backside Grimley. How are they "clearly incapable of looking after a child"? Please explain this to me. Do you know them? Have you seen her getting up in the night and feeding and changing her?Is she being physically abused? No. The baby looks fine to me from what I've seen of her on TV. FFS give the lass a chance. If they're entitled to benefits when she's 16 then so what? You are living up to your name again mate She is not fit to bring up a kid, her entire family wouldn't know the meaning of the word work even if it was burned onto their foreheads, the mum lets multiple teenage boys come over to their house and shag her daughter so in general this is not an environment for this baby to be bought up in, if this baby hasn't got multiple ASBO's by its 13th birthday it will be the shock of the century The kid needs taking away from that chav environment and put in with a family that is going to bring it up in a stable environment and don't get me started on the family of the 13 year old boy
February 15, 200916 yr For something like that creature to be able to sleep around which it sounds like she has then standards have really dropped in the teenage male population, she is an utter dog, pig ugly, am really amazed any guy will have wanted to go with her But going back on topic the kid needs taking into care and placed with a family that is capable of looking after it, the kid is looked after by her it will have several ASBO's by its 14th birthday It really is time to bring in breeding licences in this country where pregnant women and their partners have to pass a "fit and proper person" test before they are allowed the kid, you need a licence to have a dog, a car or a tv but you don't need one to have a kid :rolleyes: that needs changing, these tests would include financial and moral scrutiny and psychological tests, pass those tests they keep the kid fail the tests they have it taken into care at birth Again, ridiculous post, to suggest that people should have a licence to have kids. I'm 49 and have only worked two years in my entire life. Should I have not been allowed to have my daughter? It's every person's human right to bear a child if he or she so wishes. Some opinions on here really make me PMSL. Also to call a 15 year-old girl who made a mistake and got pregnant a "creature" is frankly disgusting and very immature. :angry: As I said in answer to Grimley, why does the child need taking in to care? Is it in any danger or at risk? No-one knows but I doubt it. Let them be.
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