Kurt Cobain died on April 5th 1994, it is said that he commited suicide but there has been theories that he was killed by his wife, Courtney Love, but it is said in general that he was murdered, apparently he shot himself in the head, but according to research the amount of heroin in his body when he was found, it would have been impossible for him to other actually pick up a gun and shot himself, as well as neatly putting away his heroin equipment (like how it was found).

 

So who do you think killed Kurt Cobain? What do you believe? Was it a suicide? Was it a murder?

Hmmm, I think this is one of those things that will never truly be resolved.

I've always just assumed it was suicide, but after doing a little research (well, wikipedia :heehee:) it seems way more complex and murder is likely :o

 

One thing I'm pretty sure of though is that it WASN'T Courtney - why hire a private investigator to look into his death if she was responsible for it? I mean fair enough, it could've been a bluff, but that would be way too dangerous for her, surely?

you should read the book 'Who Killed Kurt Cobain' by Ian Halperin and Max Wallace, i read it quite a while ago now but im 99% sure it wasnt suicide after reading it.

 

I definatly think Tom Grant makes a point about his research into the heroin in the bloodstream, he asked many Heroin addicts if they could actually pick up a gun if they had that amount of heroin in there blood and they all said no.

I dont really buy into these conspiracy theories tbh and I was around at the time, and heard the news as it happened... Nick Broomfield did a documentary in the late 90s called "Kurt and Courtney" which basically put across these ludicrous theories about how it was Courtney supposedly hiring a hitman to do the job, and he was truly suckered in by some really dodgy characters and utter wannabes..... The question as to who put his "gear" away, well that certainly could have been done by whoever it was that discovered Kurt's body before the cops showed up in some rather illogical, vain attempt to try and mask Kurt's slip back into heroin addiction....

 

As tragic as it was, Kurt's death was no more than suicide.....

I dont really buy into these conspiracy theories tbh and I was around at the time, and heard the news as it happened... Nick Broomfield did a documentary in the late 90s called "Kurt and Courtney" which basically put across these ludicrous theories about how it was Courtney supposedly hiring a hitman to do the job, and he was truly suckered in by some really dodgy characters and utter wannabes..... The question as to who put his "gear" away, well that certainly could have been done by whoever it was that discovered Kurt's body before the cops showed up in some rather illogical, vain attempt to try and mask Kurt's slip back into heroin addiction....

 

As tragic as it was, Kurt's death was no more than suicide.....

 

 

but then how does it explain how Kurt actually managed to pick up a gun and shoot himself with that amount of heroin in his bloodstream?

you should read the book 'Who Killed Kurt Cobain' by Ian Halperin and Max Wallace, i read it quite a while ago now but im 99% sure it wasnt suicide after reading it.

 

I definatly think Tom Grant makes a point about his research into the heroin in the bloodstream, he asked many Heroin addicts if they could actually pick up a gun if they had that amount of heroin in there blood and they all said no.

I think books like that are designed to provoke interest, even if they are largely based on fact. I haven't read it myself but i'd imagine that there'd be quite a bit of bias.

Edited March 21, 200916 yr by Harve

I don't know, it's so complex but...how ODD it is. I don't think it was suicide either.

 

I can't remember what other factors there were, but there was something about a stool by the window? Meaning it'd be impossible for someone to get in/out? =/. And the added sentences on the 'suicide note'.

 

But then again I kind of agree with GF aswell. Surely after all the media attention it would've been established it was murder or not, anyway? =/. Courtney doesn't seem the type who'd be able to pull off the perfect murder, haa.

 

 

Idk. Thinking about it confuses me and hurts my brain lol.

Frances Bean

I definatly think Tom Grant makes a point about his research into the heroin in the bloodstream, he asked many Heroin addicts if they could actually pick up a gun if they had that amount of heroin in there blood and they all said no.

 

Okay, a few questions about Tom Grant's "research"... Firstly, what's the size of his actual sample of people...? Secondly, did he actually witness them shooting up the required amount of heroin and then trying to pick up a gun...? Thirdly, is this research actually empirical (ie, was it done under proper conditions), or did he just ask them "Do you think could you fire a gun after shooting up heroin...?".

 

If he just asked a bunch of junkies an hypothetical question and did not then follow up by carrying out any experimentation under lab conditions, then it's not really research, it's merely asking someone an opinion.....

 

Okay, a few questions about Tom Grant's "research"... Firstly, what's the size of his actual sample of people...? Secondly, did he actually witness them shooting up the required amount of heroin and then trying to pick up a gun...? Thirdly, is this research actually empirical (ie, was it done under proper conditions), or did he just ask them "Do you think could you fire a gun after shooting up heroin...?".

 

If he just asked a bunch of junkies an hypothetical question and did not then follow up by carrying out any experimentation under lab conditions, then it's not really research, it's merely asking someone an opinion.....

 

 

sorry i got it wrong i just looked back into the book i read, it was the authors of the book who asked heroin addicts.

 

"The authors of this book spoke to eleven different heroin addicts, each categorally stated it would be impossible for them to pick up a gun and manoeuvre it after shooting up that much heroin, no matter what their level of tolerance.

 

Said one eight-year addict, "Anybody who says you can do that has never shot smack"."

sorry i got it wrong i just looked back into the book i read, it was the authors of the book who asked heroin addicts.

 

"The authors of this book spoke to eleven different heroin addicts, each categorally stated it would be impossible for them to pick up a gun and manoeuvre it after shooting up that much heroin, no matter what their level of tolerance.

 

Said one eight-year addict, "Anybody who says you can do that has never shot smack"."

 

Thing is though, what these guys forget is that, firstly, there are such things as "functional heroin addicts" who hold down lives, careers, families, etc (granted these are rare individuals and they tend to have money as well) and secondly, there is no way that Kurt would've been shooting up the street-level, cut-to-hell with fukkin' vim, baking soda and christ knows what else, cr@p like most junkies, he had money, he could certainly afford "better", purer gear being a millionaire rock star.....

 

Asking 11 addicts isn't exactly what I would call a big sample..... You would probably need to talk to at least 40 to 50 and from all different walks of life to get a far more representative picture......

Thing is though, what these guys forget is that, firstly, there are such things as "functional heroin addicts" who hold down lives, careers, families, etc (granted these are rare individuals and they tend to have money as well) and secondly, there is no way that Kurt would've been shooting up the street-level, cut-to-hell with fukkin' vim, baking soda and christ knows what else, cr@p like most junkies, he had money, he could certainly afford "better", purer gear being a millionaire rock star.....

 

 

from what ive read, often Kurt would get some really bad stuff, because he really needed a fix and there was nothing better around to buy, especially in Seattle i believe. But this may be irrelevant becuase he could of had some prime stuff when he died i dont know.

you should read the book 'Who Killed Kurt Cobain' by Ian Halperin and Max Wallace, i read it quite a while ago now but im 99% sure it wasnt suicide after reading it.

You have to remember that the authors' objective was not to weigh up the evidence on both sides of the argument, but to prove that it was a murder/conspiracy, so of course you are going to be swayed by what they say. I'm sure there's plenty of evidence to suggest it wasn't murder, equally, though of course a book on how a suicide was a suicide would not be especially interesting...

You have to remember that the authors' objective was not to weigh up the evidence on both sides of the argument, but to prove that it was a murder/conspiracy, so of course you are going to be swayed by what they say. I'm sure there's plenty of evidence to suggest it wasn't murder, equally, though of course a book on how a suicide was a suicide would not be especially interesting...

 

Same with the Broomfield documentary.... Indeed, a fanciful conspiracy theory which more or less accused Courteney Love of murder is certainly vastly more entertaining than saying "ah, well, he committed suicide after all....".

 

As a fan of Kurt/Nirvana at the time, and actutally having met the bloke at an aftershow party in Glasgow back in '91 (where the strongest thing that I was offered was a cannabis joint :lol: ), I just found this whole thing extremely tacky and distasteful, and his wife's actions over the years utterly deplorable......BUT, as despicable as I find Courtney Love's actions, I dont see her as a murderer.....

Same with the Broomfield documentary.... Indeed, a fanciful conspiracy theory which more or less accused Courteney Love of murder is certainly vastly more entertaining than saying "ah, well, he committed suicide after all....".

 

As a fan of Kurt/Nirvana at the time, and actutally having met the bloke at an aftershow party in Glasgow back in '91 (where the strongest thing that I was offered was a cannabis joint :lol: ), I just found this whole thing extremely tacky and distasteful, and his wife's actions over the years utterly deplorable......

 

 

YOU GOT OFFERED A JOINT FROM KURT COBAIN?

YOU GOT OFFERED A JOINT FROM KURT COBAIN?

 

Well, yeah, either that or it was my mate passed it to me and I passed it on to Kurt (my memory gets a little fuzzy here :lol: GOD, it's true, Cannabis does affect the memory, DONT DO IT KIDS..... :lol: :lol: )... I mean, this was shortly before Nirvana went supernova, Kurt wasn't a big rock star; my mates' band (Captain America, who later became Eugenius) was supporting them, he was just a really nice, normal guy, approachable, friendly, had a very wide knowledge of music, especially Punk and old metal stuff.... Mind you, he never really had that whole "rock star" mentality even when Nirvana were at their peak.....

Well, yeah, either that or it was my mate passed it to me and I passed it on to Kurt (my memory gets a little fuzzy here :lol: GOD, it's true, Cannabis does affect the memory, DONT DO IT KIDS..... :lol: :lol: )... I mean, this was shortly before Nirvana went supernova, Kurt wasn't a big rock star; my mates' band (Captain America, who later became Eugenius) was supporting them, he was just a really nice, normal guy, approachable, friendly, had a very wide knowledge of music, especially Punk and old metal stuff.... Mind you, he never really had that whole "rock star" mentality even when Nirvana were at their peak.....

 

 

i am actually just plain jealous.

Me too.

Can't believe you met Kurt, Grimly! :o

Me too.

Can't believe you met Kurt, Grimly! :o

 

In a way, I find it surprising that you guys are suprised, but also in a way, I suppose not.... You have to bear in mind that Nirvana were not always a big band, it took them their second album before they got popular, so up until that point, Nirvana were playing tiny venues with a capacity of about 500-750, that was their background, so there weren't exactly any "airs and graces" to them..... The gig I describe was in the Glasgow QMU - basically a university students' union!!!! :lol: This was just at the time of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (Nevermind had actually been out for a few weeks or so, but wasn't exactly expected to sell millions), so you can imagine the buzz, and blimey, quite a coup indeed for the guys who ran the Student Union.... :lol:

 

Nirvana existed in the days when hype and marketing wasn't the be all and end all, the likes of them, Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, REM, etc, became popular on their OWN merits, not merely because some PR guru, record company, or some magazine like NME told us they were good..... It was definitely far more "grass roots" and word-of-mouth in the early 90s.... Oh, and it definitely helped that you had a god-like DJ such as John Peel around to bring great Alternative music to the masses.....

I read Kurt Cobain's biography a few years ago. He was quite an interesting guy. He'd been through quite a lot for a teenager. Unfortunately, I didn't get to read past the "middle" of the book, but I guess I know how it goes.