I really don't understand all this 'Debra is awful and nasty etc'. What exactly did she do to anyone? She wasn't nasty or malicious and from what I've seen has never hurt anyone's feelings? :/ She was just straightforward and blunt. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. No-one is exactly there to make friends it's a competition. But like I said she really didn't come across THAT bad to me tbh :/ By far the best candidate. And considering she is only 23 speaks volumes. And like was said on You're Fired. I'd much rather work with someone who told me how it was instead of being all nice to the face and then proceeding to backstab.

 

My fave three went last night so wasn't really pleased tbh. Lorraine seemed like a nice genuine person who I felt for because it seemed like it was her final shot. James well LOL really. He really was lucky but he is a top geezer obviously.

 

As for the winner I would like Yasmina to now. Kate is so plain.

 

its called 'editing', besides her ex workmates were the ones who really put the final nail in her coffin. their testimonies sunk her.

There is a thin line between being "straightforward and blunt" and being downright unpleasant. I'm not sure Debra ever got that. And to be honest, after THOSE references that Mushy just reminded me of, how on earth could Sirallun have hired her after that? Who really wants someone in their organisation who is going to have their entire team put in complaints about them? It just WOULDN'T work.

There is a thin line between being "straightforward and blunt" and being downright unpleasant. I'm not sure Debra ever got that. And to be honest, after THOSE references that Mushy just reminded me of, how on earth could Sirallun have hired her after that? Who really wants someone in their organisation who is going to have their entire team put in complaints about them? It just WOULDN'T work.

 

I think we're all getting a little mistaken regarding what this show is about. It isn't about finding a new apprentice for Alan Sugar it is about approximately 10 weeks of entertainment. If it truly was about hiring a member of staff for the Rumpo Kid Lookie-Likie - then surely those references would have been taken up before the 16 (or however many begin the series) starters. Debra was superb entertainment as was James, Ben and Phil. They all did their bit in this (highly enjoyable) pantomime!

 

Norma

Edited June 4, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

Well it's about both surely? And from that perspective, SAS actually made totally the right decision.

He kept the 3 most entertaining figures of the show right up until the penultimate week. And knowing that they'll all be brought back to help with the final task anyway along with fellow clowns like Ben, Phil, Mona and Noorul.

So we get Debra, James and Lorraine for the ENTIRE series essentially, but SAS then doesn't have to put up with them in his organisation afterwards! WIN.

Kate is so bland. It's like she is reading from a script. :/

 

Yasmina to win. Although Debra clearly is the moral victor just because she is harsh and oh so sexy.

 

 

Well it's about both surely? And from that perspective, SAS actually made totally the right decision.

He kept the 3 most entertaining figures of the show right up until the penultimate week. And knowing that they'll all be brought back to help with the final task anyway along with fellow clowns like Ben, Phil, Mona and Noorul.

So we get Debra, James and Lorraine for the ENTIRE series essentially, but SAS then doesn't have to put up with them in his organisation afterwards! WIN.

 

For all its faults - I do think The Apprentice is superb entertainment but that is all it is really. I really wanted James to get to the last two although I knew it wouldn't happen. On a more realistic front I was sort of crossing my fingers that Debra would be in the last two with Kate. I don't get what is so 'brilliant' about Yas at all.

 

Norma

I really don't understand all this 'Debra is awful and nasty etc'. What exactly did she do to anyone? She wasn't nasty or malicious and from what I've seen has never hurt anyone's feelings? :/ She was just straightforward and blunt. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. No-one is exactly there to make friends it's a competition. But like I said she really didn't come across THAT bad to me tbh :/ By far the best candidate. And considering she is only 23 speaks volumes. And like was said on You're Fired. I'd much rather work with someone who told me how it was instead of being all nice to the face and then proceeding to backstab.

 

To be honest, I think you have a point... If Debra was a bloke, no one would be saying jack sh!t about her aggressiveness or bluntness... I think a lot of the comments she had directed at her were pure fukkin' sexism tbh..... She's pretty much doing absolutely NOWT that wouldn't be considered good qualities in a businessman...

 

its called 'editing', besides her ex workmates were the ones who really put the final nail in her coffin. their testimonies sunk her.

 

Would they have said half that stuff about her, had she been a bloke...? I doubt it actually.... I think that, at the end of the day, if a man shows aggression and bluntness, he's considered to have good business acumen, if a woman does it, she's a b!tch.... Sexist fukkin' cr@p, simple as.....

 

Hardly. Did Phil not get the boot for being aggressive and pig-headed? And did Ben not come close to being Public Enemy #1 after the way he helped dispatch poor Paula in episode 4?

Hardly. Did Phil not get the boot for being aggressive and pig-headed?

 

Phil was just an idiot.... "Dance in your pants"???? Oh come on FFS.... What a TOOL, I'd've sacked the utter fukkwit just on that alone...... :rolleyes:

 

Kate to win :wub:

I'm with some other people in that I really began to warm to Debra in the last episode! I really would have liked her to get through to the final because Kate and Yasmina are both a bit robotic really, no real personality to speak of. Plus Yasmina lied quite a few times, firstly not knowing the difference between gross and net profit is a HUGE letdown as a businesswoman, it's one of the grass root basics of business. :blink: Also, when she came out of her interview and the others asked how it went she was all like "yeah it went really well", when they completely tore her apart for lying in on her CV. She's turning out to be a bit of a snake which is turning me away from her a bit.

 

Anywho, was anybody else absolutely ASTONISHED at Debra only being 23? I sincerely thought she was mid-to-late 30's. I was like MY LORD SHE IS YOUNGER THAN ME. Bad times.

 

Based on all of the information - Kate to win.

:mellow: I'm now two weeks behind

 

Kate is who i'm backing for the win, i :wub: her

Phil was just an idiot.... "Dance in your pants"???? Oh come on FFS.... What a TOOL, I'd've sacked the utter fukkwit just on that alone...... :rolleyes:

 

Dance In Your Pants was moronic yes, but he survived that. It was what his treatment of Lorraine which was his big undoing.

The public simply do not like overly-aggressive bullies, and that is regardless of their gender.

Would they have said half that stuff about her, had she been a bloke...? I doubt it actually.... I think that, at the end of the day, if a man shows aggression and bluntness, he's considered to have good business acumen, if a woman does it, she's a b!tch.... Sexist fukkin' cr@p, simple as.....

 

Scott. What a load of Gerald Ratners!

 

So, you think it is perfectly acceptable to tell you boss and your colleagues to f*** off, do you?

 

Whilst you have no problems with working with someone who back stabbed (numerous occasions throughout the series especially in the boardroom), lies to claim the glory for something she did not actually do (the book sales from Ben) & debatable business acumen (zero sales of the expensive toy horse, then blamed the lack of sales on the project manager; the decision to have all that writing on the leaflet to advertise Margate, overruling the advice of Howard, then in the boardroom she blamed Howard for it!); etc.

 

Whilst her behaviour in the final five interviews when she seemed to take the destruction of her character as a compliment, including the less than favourable references she received from the references she provided brought back memories of an early to mid 1990s interview with the former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher with one of the Dimbleby's whom was completely remorseless and unrepentant about the sinking of the General Belgrano, the destruction of the manufacturing industry and the rise of greed is good yuppie culture, selling off the nation's utilities for a ridiculously low amount which is why we are paying over the odds today for Gas, Electricity, Water, etc today, her "there is no such thing as Socialism" quote, the battle with Arthur Scargill and the subsequent vindictive destruction of the coal mining industry and the poll tax.

 

And I never thought you were a fan of Thatcher. :lol:

 

Whilst Shoat rightly pointed out that Phillip & Ben were rightly destroyed by the media for similar behaviour.

 

The only thing sexist with Debra, is that if a bloke had behaved in the edited show highlights like that, then he would have ended up being physically assaulted for such dreadful behaviour.

 

Still Debra was brilliant TV. The standout character in this series IMHO. Certainly Endemol should be banging their heads against a very hard physical form for not including her in the formerly brilliant Big Brother which she auditioned for twice, and got through to the reserve stand by list in one series. Little wonder whilst The Apprentice is getting series record high viewing figures, Big Brother is deservedly close to joining it's most famous housemate.

Anywho, was anybody else absolutely ASTONISHED at Debra only being 23? I sincerely thought she was mid-to-late 30's. I was like MY LORD SHE IS YOUNGER THAN ME. Bad times.

In terms of her being good for her age, I was surprised that she's 23. But, looking at her, she definitely looked early 20s and she came across as quite young. Definitely not a woman in her 30s.

 

Anyway, my biggest problem with Debra was that I can't work out what her face looks like. :( I think it's Dory from Finding Nemo, but I can't be sure. :lol:

In terms of her being good for her age, I was surprised that she's 23. But, looking at her, she definitely looked early 20s and she came across as quite young. Definitely not a woman in her 30s.

 

Anyway, my biggest problem with Debra was that I can't work out what her face looks like. :( I think it's Dory from Finding Nemo, but I can't be sure. :lol:

 

I'm with you on the face, it's very distracting. I think the best description I've read so far was on the Guardian's (brilliant) Apprentice blog, where she has been dubbed Crayola De Ville in respect of her face looking like it was drawn by a 5 year old with crayons. It's all bit distorted sort of.

 

 

And in response to TIP's comments on the Apprentice wiping the floor with Big Brother...that's also down to it just being a MUCH better show. There's actually a PURPOSE to it, a sense of people trying to better themselves, and nasty as some of the Apprentice wannabes are, they're not a patch on the hideousness of Big Brother's worst. At least you get some intelligent conversation on the Apprentice!

Just watching this weeks ep now ... never mind this malarkey about Lorraine's CV being off a year, the dates I want checking are on Debra's birth certificate :o TWENTY THREE?! Her meanness has aged that bitch!

I think Debra's face looks like the Marilyn Manson mask off Bo Selecta a few years back. :heehee: But with lipgloss. :ph34r:

 

 

I agree Kelly, I also thought Debra was mid-30s. She looks so much older.