What's going on now? Is this poll still open? *shocked*

I think not everyone has voted. Hence it's 'still open' :/

But if we're willing to disallow Eurovision failures because they're "cheap to an extent", then how can we allow songs that are just plain "cheap"? It just seems unfair and a load of empty talk, tbh. :nocheer:

There isn't an exact definition of "Cheap". If we all had the same idea about what "cheap" songs were then sure, I'll be all for banning it, but people view it differently, so it's quite hard to pin-point what is exactly cheap. Whereas NF/Eurovision related songs all fit into one category so it's easier to enforce the ban.

 

If there was a go ahead to ban present Top 75 UK Hits and US Billboard Hot 100 Top 20, and UK Top 40 hits of the past year or something, then I'll be up for that ban. (I said Top 25 because when 'Jai Ho' and 'Love Story' were confirmed as participants, they were currently charting at 20 & 22 in the UK Charts)

 

(I hope the above made sense :lol:)

:mellow: What the hell are you on about? Have you even HEARD some of the stuff in Melodifestivalen? I can guarantee that you'd like at least a few of the songs, and to my mind you have definitely liked Eurovision songs before...

 

 

Calm down... I do like some of them but why use a Eurovsion song in a BJSC comp surely it defeats the purpose of having a BJSC, I thought its meant to be different and discovering new music and new talent. I have discovered 2 new tracks from Rivandia this week, and I totally love, but not everyone is going to vote for them.

but how many people we are expecting to vote???

There isn't an exact definition of "Cheap". If we all had the same idea about what "cheap" songs were then sure, I'll be all for banning it, but people view it differently, so it's quite hard to pin-point what is exactly cheap. Whereas NF/Eurovision related songs all fit into one category so it's easier to enforce the ban.

 

If there was a go ahead to ban present Top 75 UK Hits and US Billboard Hot 100 Top 20, and UK Top 40 hits of the past year or something, then I'll be up for that ban. (I said Top 25 because when 'Jai Ho' and 'Love Story' were confirmed as participants, they were currently charting at 20 & 22 in the UK Charts)

 

(I hope the above made sense :lol:)

 

I get what you're saying. But I'd like to see the ban lifted because it's only fair. People shouldn't have the entrenched view of NF songs as "popular, cheesy, and will automatically win" because that's far from the truth. My favourite NF song wouldn't even get passed the Semi Final because it's not in English and it's an acquired taste (like mustard :P). And there is NO WAY I'm entering crap like Amy Diamond or E.M.D :puke2:

 

If people are ready to brand NF failures cheap (which they aren't because they don't even chart in the UK or US), then surely they should come up with a definition as to what is cheap in terms on normal entries? :unsure: Whatever way this poll goes, can we please have another vote for "cheap" songs because we are never going to come up with a popular definition by sitting around. A poll with 6 popular "cheap" definitions and we all vote? And if we do come up with a official definition then we can have a thread called "Is your song cheap?", so if people are unsure they could just ask?

 

I'm waffling. :drama:

 

 

Would you have banned Will You Remember Me Tomorrow? on the basis that it could have been a potential entry, or Agnes' Release Me? (Yes, I know they weren't but bear with me :P) These are songs that are amongst the defining ones of the competition, yet had they been in contention for a separate contest, and not even gone through, they wouldn't have been allowed.

 

But like you said, they weren't LOL. That's like saying 'Would you have banned Los Campesinos! if they were sent to Eurovision?' They never would be lawlz.

 

To me, all of these Eurovision songs and potential Eurovision songs all have the exact same formula to me. They just SOUND Eurovision. They were all written with the song contest in mind, so they all come off like incredibly cheesy Europop.

 

I guess I just feel that the people who don't already like Eurovision won't like the NF songs entered, and the people who do like Eurovision will have already heard them. So it just all feels a bit pointless in the end. And the fact that a NF song was entered once and finished 2nd place worries me. In the end, I suppose it really doesn't matter, and I'm not really fussed how it ends up. This is just how I feel as of now, and the next contest could completely disprove my worries for all I know.

 

I just really hate Eurovision LOL. :( But I will judge all songs fairly obviously when they do get unbanned (which is what it looks like will happen).

There have been 51 entries this time = 51 countries = 51 persons. I reckon this will be closed as soon as we reach the closer number to 51 than we have now. :P I don't know though, of course, it's our mods' decision. ^_^

Calm down... I do like some of them but why use a Eurovsion song in a BJSC comp surely it defeats the purpose of having a BJSC, I thought its meant to be different and discovering new music and new talent. I have discovered 2 new tracks from Rivandia this week, and I totally love, but not everyone is going to vote for them.

Yes, but tell me this. Have you ever heard Leona Daly - Not Crazy After All? Mans Zelmerlow - Cara Mia? Maria Haukaas Storeng & Sahlene - Killing Me Tenderly? No? Then, if they're entered, you'll be discovering something! :P

 

Eurovision NF songs are only cheap in the sense that new R&B songs are - we have a fairly strong R&B bloc (MKL, JRK-off, Lorikeet, Quotosibb, Torchwood to an extent, amongst others), yet we don't ever decry any R&B entries such as Shontelle as being 'cheap'. Would we ban them because they have likely support and have been heard before? No. Would we claim them to be cheap? No! So why, just because ESC NF entries have potential support, do we claim them to be cheap? It's a nonsense...

 

But like you said, they weren't LOL. That's like saying 'Would you have banned Los Campesinos! if they were sent to Eurovision?' They never would be lawlz.

Yes, but Agnes has entered Melodifestivalen with similar songs - Release Me would likely have been considered were it not too long :P I'm not sure if Margaret has ever entered MGP, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

To me, all of these Eurovision songs and potential Eurovision songs all have the exact same formula to me. They just SOUND Eurovision. They were all written with the song contest in mind, so they all come off like incredibly cheesy Europop.

Granted, a lot of the Melodifestivalen fare is quite generic, but this would widen the spectrum to allow anything from Portugal to Israel. Does the following sound like typical ESC fare to you?

 

 

Potential Irish entry there - hardly the generic sort of thing you're fearing, no? (Marmite vocal in the chorus aside :heehee:) Or even this, from France, which has been entered for this year's contest, but likely has other similar songs from Patricia:

 

 

NF entries aren't all schlager! :P

How exactly am I in an RnB block?! Last time I checked not one of my entries went in that category... maybe BoA..

How exactly am I in an RnB block?! Last time I checked not one of my entries went in that category... maybe BoA..

I meant the sort of country that would vote for an RnB entry :P

Shontelle wasn't really cheap at the time. Slightly strange dig.

I meant the sort of country that would vote for an RnB entry :P

 

Oh OK :lol:

 

To be honest, I really resent people saying (I know you aren't saying it, I'm just bringing up the point in general) that Me, Mikal, Jark, Jon etc. all vote for each other when we just have a similar taste in music.. Like we're all likely to vote for an RnB entry as you point out, or a poppy entry.. NOT OUR FAULT.

 

I know that wasn't really relevant, you just reminded me :kink:

Surely Janet Jackson is not rnb :P

 

*stays calm not to argue about the topic of the thread*

Shontelle wasn't really cheap at the time. Slightly strange dig.

That was the point I was making, ugh! :P It wasn't cheap just because it appealed to a certain bloc of countries who would likely have heard it; as Eurovision NF entries wouldn't be cheap just because they appeal to a certain bloc of countries who would likely have heard it...

I think it's wrong to try and ban any song from being entered in this contest period!

 

Why should anyone have the right to dictate what should and shouldn't be entered?

 

Of Course we'd all love people to choose unknown songs but they shouldn't be forced into picking unknown songs.

 

The same goes for NF songs, some people might prefer if others didn't enter them but those people shouldn't be forcing the other people not to send them

Edited April 14, 200916 yr by Sabrewulf238

I appreciate that it would probably be a bridge too far to propose the debanning of Eurovision songs as well, hence why I don't :P Plus, that's a potential spin-off, so...

Not being funny, but nobody makes a problem when they vote yes, but as soon as someone votes no, you get 6 people quoting you and saying why you are wrong to say this.

I appreciate that it would probably be a bridge too far to propose the debanning of Eurovision songs as well, hence why I don't :P Plus, that's a potential spin-off, so...

 

I don't think it would.

 

In fact This rule, banning Eurovision songs in General is an awful Rule. It forces people into not picking a eurovision song even if they love it to bits.

 

If Someone wants to send Serebro with thier eurovision song to the contest, why shouldn't they be allowed? I mean why really shouldn't they be allowed?

 

A person should have the right to send ANY song they want to the contest and it is not for the Mods or The participants to decide but is a right in itself to have free choice!

 

Who are we to say this can be entered and this can't be entered? :angry:

Not being funny, but nobody makes a problem when they vote yes, but as soon as someone votes no, you get 6 people quoting you and saying why you are wrong to say this.

Because the yes camp are the ones with the imperative, seeing as the no camp are the ones saying the rule shouldn't be changed...