Not being funny, but nobody makes a problem when they vote yes, but as soon as someone votes no, you get 6 people quoting you and saying why you are wrong to say this.

... provided that the 'no' voter actually expresses their opinion in this thread. :P

 

Plus you don't HAVE TO reply anything on that :/

I'd like it if NF songs were allowed in it tbh, but so many arguments are going to appear if they are allowed, so I just voted no to save all the $h!t. :manson:

Because the yes camp are the ones with the imperative, seeing as the no camp are the ones saying the rule shouldn't be changed...

But, there's always a reason why the no camps reasons aren't good enough. It should be just accepted that we think differently rather than point out why we were wrong to make our opinion. It's just as valid as all the people saying yes.

But, there's always a reason why the no camps reasons aren't good enough. It should be just accepted that we think differently rather than point out why we were wrong to make our opinion. It's just as valid as all the people saying yes.

Then we would reach no conclusion whatsoever if neither camp tried to persuade the other and show them why their points were wrong :P

I'd like it if NF songs were allowed in it tbh, but so many arguments are going to appear if they are allowed, so I just voted no to save all the $h!t. :manson:

That's what this thread is for David :( What arguments would there be once they were allowed?

I'd like it if NF songs were allowed in it tbh, but so many arguments are going to appear if they are allowed, so I just voted no to save all the $h!t. :manson:

Good point! Surprisingly, people react on this topic as if they are being stabbed or something (i.e. I'd withdraw if this is allowed, I'd start sending Umbrella's,...) :/

I never really paid attention before, but now I'm finally realizing how despicable a rule this entire Eurovision banning is.........it's a Dictatorship rule.

 

Is BJSC a Dictatorship? In that it's members are telling a person, you can't enter this song because we said so. Is that really mature? :(

 

I hope one day the entire rule will be dropped as it isn't fair.

Edited April 14, 200916 yr by Sabrewulf238

I never really paid attention before, but now I'm finally realizing how despicable a rule this entire Eurovision banning is.........it's a Dictatorship rule.

 

Is BJSC a Dictatorship? In that it's members are telling a person, you can't enter this song because we said so. Is that really mature? :(

It's only ever been in place because it was in the rules at the Nation Song Contest - where ESC songs are about as cheap as you can get, as I reckon you probably know :P

That's what this thread is for David :( What arguments would there be once they were allowed?

You'll see the reaction when the rule will be (more likely) implemented. :P

 

 

This is pretty bland, I wouldn't even consider it BJSC :P :lol:

That's what this thread is for David :( What arguments would there be once they were allowed?

I know from real life experience people will like a song when they hear it for the first time, realise it's a Eurovision song and then find all sorts of ridiculous 'faults' with it. I've managed to stamp many people out of that attitude now, but that's with constantly making them listen to Eurovision songs! I just fear people on here who don't like Eurovision songs (in general) or just dismiss them all as "camp Europop" are just going to listen to them with a negative point of view already implemented...

 

This is pretty bland, I wouldn't even consider it BJSC :P :lol:

And really Mikey, that is FAR from bland. Typical example of the above reason I just gave...

One other thing I've noticed alot of people saying that they don't want to have to listen to about ten different typical eurovision songs.

 

Isn't that a little bit selfish? :mellow:

 

That people are voting with themselves in mind and not for the greater community? Not to help make BJSC a better community?

 

This is just how it looks to me anyway from alot of the comments so excuse me if I'm completly wrong with this.

I know from real life experience people will like a song when they hear it for the first time, realise it's a Eurovision song and then find all sorts of ridiculous 'faults' with it. I've managed to stamp many people out of that attitude now, but that's with constantly making them listen to Eurovision songs! I just fear people on here who don't like Eurovision songs (in general) or just dismiss them all as "camp Europop" are just going to listen to them with a negative point of view already implemented...

Yes, that's a very big point...but even so, it's not really a reason to ban them. I had been considering a secret organisation of sorts so that if a song is Eurovision-related people who know won't say a thing :kink:

Good point! Surprisingly, people react on this topic as if they are being stabbed or something (i.e. I'd withdraw if this is allowed, I'd start sending Umbrella's,...) :/

I haven't read anyone say anything like the above... :wacko:

 

 

Oh and just so everyone knows, I won't be against it if it actually wins this poll and ARE allowed. At least you've let the people who are slightly against it have their say. I am just against it as there was nothing wrong with the contests before all this emerged, and I'm just finding it weird how it's just all of a sudden become of an importance :wacko:

 

But whatever. C'est La Vie etc... etc... :P

It's only ever been in place because it was in the rules at the Nation Song Contest - where ESC songs are about as cheap as you can get, as I reckon you probably know :P

 

That's very interesting actually......I wonder if that had never been implemented at the start of the contest, would people be so angry about Eurovision songs being entered?

 

Jonjo, one person, pyrynemi (sp? :( ), stated that he would withdraw if the rule would be introduced. And i just PREDICT some people saying 'if they are able to send cheap ESC NF entries i'll go cheaper HAHA'. But that's only my opinion. I don't want to start a big argue on that point. :P

 

And overally, i just think that this thread's discussions wouldn't change anything globally. Aaron will still have his opinion, I will have mine. All about the poll.

I'm just finding it weird how it's just all of a sudden become of an importance :wacko:

Eurovision season, if you haven't noticed :lol:

I think also it's more to do with the fact that the contest has gravitated away from Eurovision - most of the entrants before were very familiar with Eurovision, whereas a year on the contest has moved strongly away. We just want to introduce some of our favourite songs to an audience that won't have heard it before - after all, the contest is about introducing people to new music...

When was the ban repealed originally? I know that there was a possibility to enter NF songs except those from the UK, Ireland and Sweden during the buildup to BJSCXV - was it true for BJSCXIV too?

I think the ban was first taken away for XIV but no one decided to take advantage of it. I wasn't pleased that it was removed, but apparently I wasn't vocal enough about it the first time. This is kinda why I made more of a fuss about it when they decided to unban the last three.

 

This is for everybody in favor of the ban: I don't see something here, and maybe I'm blind, but how exactly is it fair to ban NF songs and allow other songs which could possibly have a huge fan base on this forum? I've seen some godawful chart songs get into the final, and a few really good songs lose out because of them. I find the mentality a bit hypocritical. One reason for disallowing NF songs is because they could potentially have a fanbase, but chart toppers which already have a large fanbase are allowed. Surely if it's "all about the song", which a lot of you stood by during the "cheap" debate, then you should apply that to NF songs too?

Well it's not really, but it's much easier to ban these sorts of entries than 'cheap' songs. No one has worked out a black and white definition of what cheap is, so it's harder to target. Yes, Lady GaGa is cheap if someone sent "Poker Face" but it's not really cheap if someone sent a pre-GaGa track of hers like "No Floods" imo. You can't really make restrictions without causing confusion. Banning NF songs, that would also have a pre-fanbase, is much easier. The people that send 'cheap' songs are always sniped at anyway, you're kinda made to feel bad for sending them.

 

Eurovision NF songs are only cheap in the sense that new R&B songs are - we have a fairly strong R&B bloc (MKL, JRK-off, Lorikeet, Quotosibb, Torchwood to an extent, amongst others), yet we don't ever decry any R&B entries such as Shontelle as being 'cheap'.

Thank goodness we have that block, BJSC is quite anti R&B. Keri Hilson may have finished 10th but it only received points from 16 of the 46 voters. I thought it was one of the best R&B songs sent so far and it didn't do quite as well as it should. Things like Brandy and Shontelle did well but they're very watered down and quite Pop sounding. Most proper R&B songs sturggle to get past the semis.

 

I'm sorry I haven't argued properly today, but I feel like I've had all these arguments before, in the original threads but I'm clearly not convincing anyone. I'm rather pleased to see there are more than 2 or 3 no votes though, there's clearly more of an objection than I thought.

 

No one seems to want to send them any more anyway. It's a shame the ban is set to be lifted, we could be missing Fervorosia and Kylienips by the next contest if we life the ban. How many people are going to withdraw if the ban stays?

 

Potential Irish entry there - hardly the generic sort of thing you're fearing, no? (Marmite vocal in the chorus aside :heehee:)

 

Leona's mine beeyatch <_<