I think 'Yes' has got this :o

I think also it's more to do with the fact that the contest has gravitated away from Eurovision - most of the entrants before were very familiar with Eurovision, whereas a year on the contest has moved strongly away. We just want to introduce some of our favourite songs to an audience that won't have heard it before - after all, the contest is about introducing people to new music...

 

I agree,

 

This contest doesn't need to be associated with the eurovision song contest anymore. It can stand on it's on two feet.

 

and I don't see why a person should not have absolute free choice when picking a song. It's great when someone picks a song we love but we shouldn't take precautions so songs we don't want to listen to won't appear.

I agree,

 

This contest doesn't need to be associated with the eurovision song contest anymore. It can stand on it's on two feet.

 

and I don't see why a person should not have absolute free choice when picking a song. It's great when someone picks a song we love but we shouldn't take precautions so songs we don't want to listen to won't appear.

 

Well, this probably will not be a popular idea then, but I thought about this at work today:

 

Ban ALL songs from NFs, but only from the current year, and likewise all songs that have been top 40 UK hits in the last year. This would mean that the contest was fair and that people had to be original in their choice of entries. Then again, it might mean both camps were equally unhappy...

Firstly, that Leona Daly song is bad, but that's got nothing to do with it :lol:

 

And, secondly, I will not be bitter about this or start changing my entries to try and rebel against it, if we do get Eurovision songs allowed. I just personally don't see why we should change the contest at all, there's nothing wrong with it now, infact its perfect now and I just don't see why we need to change. I hope people don't turn against me or anything to that extent because I have had my say on why not. I just gave my opinion. I just watch Eurovision every year, and I like a maximum of 6/7 every year, which isn't great.

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But if this contest is so perfect, then why do these arguements and disagreements keep popping up?

 

At the very least we should try and find some middle ground between both opinions

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And i just PREDICT some people saying 'if they are able to send cheap ESC NF entries i'll go cheaper HAHA'. But that's only my opinion. I don't want to start a big argue on that point. :P

I think the likeliness of this happening is fairly great. If we're opening the rules to another spectrum of cheapness in addition to the contest getting 50 participants with only 26 or so places in the final I can only see this applying more pressure on people to find an entry that can make the final. If "Jai Ho" can finish 7th, why should the rest strive to find a song that no one else has heard only to finish 18th in the semi final? :/

 

I think also it's more to do with the fact that the contest has gravitated away from Eurovision - most of the entrants before were very familiar with Eurovision, whereas a year on the contest has moved strongly away. We just want to introduce some of our favourite songs to an audience that won't have heard it before - after all, the contest is about introducing people to new music...

I think it briefly moved away from it but now we're back 'in season' it seems to have swayed back to being Eurovision obsessed - maybe you all show it less away from Eurovision time? :lol: The fact that Agnes and Margaret are contest greats must say that people still gravitate towards European pop more than any other type of music?!

 

I think 'Yes' has got this :o

Unfortunately it has. But 57-43 isn't a very glorious victory anyway, I'd be hesitant now if I was someone planning to send a NF song.

Unfortunately it has. But 57-43 isn't a very glorious victory anyway, I'd be hesitant now if I was someone planning to send a NF song.

 

Question is, why the hell should it matter? If I was to enter and NF song, but use a music video, and not say it was an NF song, people wouldn't neccessarily know. Isn't it kind of crazy to boycott a song just because you know where it comes from? Say I decided to boycott all RnB - what would be the point?

When disagreements like this are happening, change is needed. You can't expect to do nothing and just let it calm down because it won't.

 

I can see there are alot of people against it............so maybe instead of deciding "yes" or "no" we should be trying to come up with ideas that people of both opinion can be happy?

 

If some sort of agreement isn't chosen this will pop up next year at eurovision time too and the next year and the next year.

I think the likeliness of this happening is fairly great. If we're opening the rules to another spectrum of cheapness in addition to the contest getting 50 participants with only 26 or so places in the final I can only see this applying more pressure on people to find an entry that can make the final. If "Jai Ho" can finish 7th, why should the rest strive to find a song that no one else has heard only to finish 18th in the semi final? :/

So, entering a song to this contest you wish to get to the final in the first place? :/ :/ I thought it's all about introducing people to music you like.

 

I wouldn't just CARE now if i DNQ'd 583 times in a row counting from this contest.

idea... Maybe grouped them all in one semi final and the others in the other semi final, than you get an even balance of what can get in the final, it will please some people, but not many.

Firstly, that Leona Daly song is bad, but that's got nothing to do with it :lol:

 

 

It's not bad. It's horrendous. If that's the type of song that will be entered if yes wins then... well, at least voting will be easier!

It's not bad. It's horrendous. If that's the type of song that will be entered if yes wins then... well, at least voting will be easier!

 

Fine, more generic europop it is then. We are TRYING, you know...

Another idea, is let members PM their entries to the host country, than no one knows who is sending what, but don't create a topic of what you are sending.

 

These are only suggestions and ideas, I'm trying to draw the line somewhere.

I think the likeliness of this happening is fairly great. If we're opening the rules to another spectrum of cheapness in addition to the contest getting 50 participants with only 26 or so places in the final I can only see this applying more pressure on people to find an entry that can make the final. If "Jai Ho" can finish 7th, why should the rest strive to find a song that no one else has heard only to finish 18th in the semi final? :/

 

... And in directly you've hit the nail on the head.

 

The ONLY reason I voted Yes; was because I think it is ridiculous how losing Eurovision NFs songs are not allowed (that maybe a maximum of 7 or 8 players have heard) yet you are perfectly allowed to enter a song from the Top 40 that becomes a Top 5 hit by the time the final voting is over. The same would apply with a song that was a major hit single in the last 12/24 months. (For crying out loud I changed entering Ladyhawke - My Delirium in one contest at the last minute because it surprisingly became a Top 40 hit after her previous 3 singles failed to go close to the top 40; now looking back I wonder why I bothered).

 

With more and more contestants taking part I've got rather depressed by how well the likes of Love Story & J'ai Ho have done in the last 2 contests. As I feel the spirit of this contest = Finding songs that few people know for others to appreciate (ie. Songs not being shoved down our throats by Radio 1 / Music video channels), has been lost.

 

Therefore I bet if a rule change was implemented to ban these type of songs from being allowed to be entered then I suspect about half of us who voted Yes for this rule change would change our votes to No. If obvious cheap songs were banned from the contest.

Another idea, is let members PM their entries to the host country, than no one knows who is sending what, but don't create a topic of what you are sending.

 

These are only suggestions and ideas, I'm trying to draw the line somewhere.

That is changing the contest a hell of a lot, but I actually love that idea!! That is actually great...but I doubt others would go with that

Another idea, is let members PM their entries to the host country, than no one knows who is sending what, but don't create a topic of what you are sending.

 

These are only suggestions and ideas, I'm trying to draw the line somewhere.

 

I love this idea! We need to do it soon!

 

It would be so tense waiting to find out which country was the one that sent the winner! :o

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I love this idea! We need to do it soon!

 

It would be so tense waiting to find out which country was the one that sent the winner! :o

 

Obviously the contestants will have to remain stumm in the semis during the revealing, not going "ooh thanks for voting for my song" :lol:

 

Well it's not really, but it's much easier to ban these sorts of entries than 'cheap' songs. No one has worked out a black and white definition of what cheap is, so it's harder to target. Yes, Lady GaGa is cheap if someone sent "Poker Face" but it's not really cheap if someone sent a pre-GaGa track of hers like "No Floods" imo. You can't really make restrictions without causing confusion. Banning NF songs, that would also have a pre-fanbase, is much easier. The people that send 'cheap' songs are always sniped at anyway, you're kinda made to feel bad for sending them.

 

But it is. Arguments I've seen are "NF songs are cheap", but then you can be guaranteed that person will be the first to defend their entry if it's regarded as "cheap".

 

It's either lift the ban of NF "cheap" songs or ban all "cheap" songs. The only reason why we don't have a definition of "cheap" is because we haven't bothered to get a common one that suits everybody. I think we really need to have a number of "cheap" definitions and put them to vote.

 

There's no point cherry picking what we want and not accepting the things we don't want.

 

Another idea, is let members PM their entries to the host country, than no one knows who is sending what, but don't create a topic of what you are sending.

 

Now this is a genius idea.

 

If I was hosting then I would love to use this format. Although the only way this could properly work would be if no one got a bye/Pre-qualified to the Final.

I've done song contests similar to this on three other sites before (Moopy, CHC and Haven) and they've all been anonymous. I have to say I do prefer it not knowing who's sent what (although you can always guess some from knowing the person) but I think BJSC is too evolved for that to ever happen here. It's a huge thing and part of the fun is the buildup to the contest.

 

I was going to suggest 'Anonymous' as a spin-off theme for when the next one is due.