A HORRIFIED judge yesterday told an unemployed young thug that he was a “walking advertisement” for those who thought alcohol was far too cheap.

 

The judge hit out after being told that the 21-year-old drank 24 cans of high-strength Stella Artois lager and two cans of Strongbow cider a day.

 

In astonishment, Judge Philip Statman QC interrupted the defence barrister to ask how anyone who was unemployed could afford such a large amount of drink.

 

Jobless Nicky Welfare had admitted setting off a fire extinguisher inside a petrol station shop when staff locked the doors to try to stop his friend making off with two crates of Stella.

 

The Maidstone Crown Court judge interjected when defence barrister Louise Oakley told him of Welfare’s mammoth drink consumption, despite receiving only £60.40 a week in Jobseeker’s Allowance.

 

“Where does he get the money for 24 cans of Stella a day?” he asked.

 

Miss Oakley explained that Welfare lived with his parents and so the benefit payments amounted to pocket money.

 

But she added that the price of Stella had plunged in recent years. “He was in a position where he was able to drink very much to excess,” she said.

 

But the fuming judge told Welfare: “You are destroying your life by drinking and you will end up on a mortuary slab if you carry on in this way.

 

“You are 21 years of age and I am told you consume 24 cans of Stella Artois lager a day along with two bottles of cider. You are a walking advertisement for those who say that now, in the community, alcohol is far too readily available at far too cheap a price.”

 

Welfare, who has no qualifications and has rarely worked since leaving school, was said to have turned to drinking vast quantities because he had too much time on his hands.

 

 

 

The court had heard how Welfare, of Strood, Kent, and his friend Daniel Brown, 25, of nearby Rochester, caused thousands of pounds of damage when they let off the extinguisher at the On The Run forecourt shop in Strood in March last year.

 

The shop and its stock were so badly damaged that the store had to remain closed for two days while staff cleared up the mess.

 

Welfare was handed an eight-week jail term suspended for two years and ordered to do 120 hours of community service after admitting criminal damage at an earlier hearing.

 

Brown, who admitted criminal damage and dangerous driving, received a 48-week suspended jail term plus 200 hours community service and a one-year driving ban.

 

I blame his parents for making his life too easy and keeping him in comfort and letting him keep all his benefit money for alcohol. :angry:

Edited May 6, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

Let him drink himself to death, society can do without his chav scum type

Edited May 6, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus

I blame his parents for making his life too easy and keeping him in comfort and letting him keep all his benefit money for alcohol. :angry:

 

Why blame the parents? He is 21 years old - he's old enough to run his own life. His parents should have kicked him out.

Why blame the parents? He is 21 years old - he's old enough to run his own life. His parents should have kicked him out.

 

 

Yes but they're letting him keep all his money so he spends it on drink. If they took say £30 a week for his food/board then he'd have less for drink!

Yes but they're letting him keep all his money so he spends it on drink. If they took say £30 a week for his food/board then he'd have less for drink!

 

Then he would mug people and so on, it would not stop him drinking

 

 

Then he would mug people and so on, it would not stop him drinking

 

Good point.... He's pretty clearly an alcoholic, so I think really the only thing to do with the likes of him is enforced Rehab.... Draconian...? Well, maybe, but why the fukk should I pay my taxes for the likes of this piece of chav garbage to pish it all up the wall on booze....? I would say that part of the problem is certainly cheap booze in supermarkets and offies and that something needs to be done to address this issue.... I would say the thing to do would be to do a study of the bars and pubs in different parts of the country, get the bar prices for a can of stella, etc, average it out and then tell supermarkets or offies they can only offer it at about half the price per can that a pub does.... So, if a can of stella costs an average of £3 in a pub, then Tesco, etc, can sell it for £1.50.... So, a four-pack will cost £6..... Until people in this country learn to respect alcohol, this seems to me to be the only realistic solution to the 'binge drinking' culture....

 

Yet putting the price up in supermarkets and off-licences would penalise people like myself why drink responsibly, a few cans at the weekend, not all day and all week. Why should I pay more because of a few idiots?

Good point.... He's pretty clearly an alcoholic, so I think really the only thing to do with the likes of him is enforced Rehab.... Draconian...? Well, maybe, but why the fukk should I pay my taxes for the likes of this piece of chav garbage to pish it all up the wall on booze....? I would say that part of the problem is certainly cheap booze in supermarkets and offies and that something needs to be done to address this issue.... I would say the thing to do would be to do a study of the bars and pubs in different parts of the country, get the bar prices for a can of stella, etc, average it out and then tell supermarkets or offies they can only offer it at about half the price per can that a pub does.... So, if a can of stella costs an average of £3 in a pub, then Tesco, etc, can sell it for £1.50.... So, a four-pack will cost £6..... Until people in this country learn to respect alcohol, this seems to me to be the only realistic solution to the 'binge drinking' culture....

 

I agree with the rehab part but I still have concerns about the cheap alcohol part, that would penalise those that are the majority (sensible adult drinkers stocking up for a BBQ or the football or a XBox night or whatever) as well as penalise chavs so I am reluctant to see everyone punished just to restrict chavs

 

I would do more to prevent chavs being able to purchase in the first place from the supermarket or the off licence, make alcohol only able to be purchased on production of a full 2 part drivers licence or passport and change the age anyone can buy alcohol in a supermarket or off licence to 21

 

 

I agree with the rehab part but I still have concerns about the cheap alcohol part, that would penalise those that are the majority (sensible adult drinkers stocking up for a BBQ or the football or a XBox night or whatever) as well as penalise chavs so I am reluctant to see everyone punished just to restrict chavs

 

Alcohol from offies is more expensive in places like Holland or Scandinavia though, so what's the big deal....? The fact is that they seem to respect it more than we do on the Continent, it really is only in UK that the binge drinking culture is so vociferous, and the cheapness simply has to be a factor.... I dont think that 6 quid for 24 cans is really teaching people responsible drinking at all.... How can a can of super-strength lager or cider be more expensive than a bottle of water ffs.....? Just doesn't make any sense at all to me....

 

If it was more expensive, I think people would kind of value it more.... I go to a German pub sometimes where the beer is more expensive because it's imported, but god knows, it sure teaches me to slow down a bit and savour it a bit more.....

Alcohol from offies is more expensive in places like Holland or Scandinavia though, so what's the big deal....? The fact is that they seem to respect it more than we do on the Continent, it really is only in UK that the binge drinking culture is so vociferous, and the cheapness simply has to be a factor.... I dont think that 6 quid for 24 cans is really teaching people responsible drinking at all.... How can a can of super-strength lager or cider be more expensive than a bottle of water ffs.....? Just doesn't make any sense at all to me....

 

If it was more expensive, I think people would kind of value it more.... I go to a German pub sometimes where the beer is more expensive because it's imported, but god knows, it sure teaches me to slow down a bit and savour it a bit more.....

 

Kids in this day and age can readily afford weed, they can afford cocaine and other drugs and so on so I don't think that a chav is going to be deterred about alcohol unless it is put up to Scandanavia levels (£5 a pint) or Bahrain levels (I had to pay nearly £9 for a pint at Bahrain airport) even if the price of beer doubles in supermarkets chavs will still buy it and if they can't afford it out of their dole or whatever they will just steal it or mug someone to get the money and so on

 

I think that making supermarkets and off licences over 21 only, much stricter policies about acceptable ID (kids can get fake ID p*** easy) is a better way forward than doubling the profits of fat cat supermarkets and penalising good drinkers

You can f*** right off craig. As a 19 year old there is no f***ing way i will ever stand back and let them put the alcohol level up to 21.

 

You'd be fine your well over the age, it's un f***ing fair to just assume everyone who is causing all this $h!te is under 21.

 

A lot of the twats falling out of pubs are over 21, and most supermarkets are operating a policy of id'ing you if you under 25 not that i've been id'ed

 

 

They attempted to put the booze age up to 21 in my home town on fri and sat nights for a few hours, just in supermarkets and people either go else where or buy drink before hand.

 

It wouldn't work. At all. In fact i think Alex Salmond wanted to do it, and was quite quickly shot down. He got the student vote by ditching the Graduate Endowment then almost lost it in it's entirety with that stunt

 

 

Apologies for the language, but it's something i feel very very strongly against

You can f*** right off craig. As a 19 year old there is no f***ing way i will ever stand back and let them put the alcohol level up to 21.

 

You'd be fine your well over the age, it's un f***ing fair to just assume everyone who is causing all this $h!te is under 21.

 

A lot of the twats falling out of pubs are over 21, and most supermarkets are operating a policy of id'ing you if you under 25 not that i've been id'ed

They attempted to put the booze age up to 21 in my home town on fri and sat nights for a few hours, just in supermarkets and people either go else where or buy drink before hand.

 

It wouldn't work. At all. In fact i think Alex Salmond wanted to do it, and was quite quickly shot down. He got the student vote by ditching the Graduate Endowment then almost lost it in it's entirety with that stunt

Apologies for the language, but it's something i feel very very strongly against

 

I think you misunderstood my point :unsure:

Not talking about pubs they would remain as they are now, 18 and up to the landlord how he enforces it

 

I am talking about tightening the rules to stop teenage chavs being able to go into supermarkets and buy loads of cider cheaply and the resulting social disorder when they are drunk, by making supermarkets and off licences (not pubs) over 21 only with passport or full drivers licence the only acceptable ID that puts much bigger barriers in the way of chavs being able to get cheap drink, the current ID system is pointless my 15 year old nephew has fake ID that he bought on the black market as does my 17 year old nephew, they both would pass for 18 and are free to get blind drunk on supermarket booze so the ID system is a waste of time in its current form

 

Keep pubs as they are now but keep the teens out of off licences and supermarkets is the best way as opposed to doubling the price of drink which would affect you even more mate

It wouldn't happen as a lot of Checkout Staff in supermarkets especially at weekends are under 21, and if you are under the legal age to consume alcohol then you have to get the purchase vetted by a member of staff over the legal age and the person gets ID'd regardless, it's inefficient and a pain in the ass, i've had to veto a sale before <_<

 

Plus, if they can pass for 18 they should still be getting ID'd.

 

We need a UV light at each till, that'll stop the fakes coz real licences have a UV bit as do passports. Holographic things do as well. Plus it'd kill the frauded notes dead too. Two birds one stone

 

That incident is near me, its in my area, I read about it in the local paper, to be honest his benefits should be stop for causing an annoyance in public while drinking.

I'm with Silas tbh, I think raising the age to 21 is a nonsense....

 

Raising prices would surely mean that the chavs would be buying less alcohol for the same money.. I think that the supermarkets especially are selling off booze at artificially low prices, it's an utter nonsense to sell off 24 cans of cheap lager for less unit cost than a bottle of water, it clearly sends out the wrong message.....

 

Silas is also correct in saying that the vast majority of people falling out of pubs in a totally inebriated state are indeed the over-21s..... It is also a fact that an alarming amount of women are binge drinking these days also... And, yes, this IS a serious problem as it is an established fact that women, physiologically speaking, cant process alcohol in the same way men can.. That's not sexist, that's simple biology.....

 

 

The main problem with almost all the scum like this piece of vermin I encounter day after day is almost always the parents.

 

Mummy and Daddy let them stay at home without any contribution to their upkeep...and slip them the odd £20 or £30 to "keep them going til dole day".

 

Plus, in almost all these cases, they come from a family that's spent generations living the dole culture.... parents claiming dole or IB, grandparents the same.

 

It's high time the benefits system was overhauled completely..... EVERYONE claiming Jobseekers Allowance should be on some sort of either training scheme to get them a solid trade or on work placements, either in the community or keeping the environment clean, tidy, litter and graffiti-free. And if, like the majority of kids on the New Deal programme, they flunk their placements, they should automatically lose ALL benefits for at least 6 weeks. For too long the Jobcentres have been lenient with these 18-24 year olds - this HAS to stop.

 

Plus - the horrendous problem of the career mothers - single teen mothers getting up the duff to get a council house, more benefits and an escape route from working life, this Government HAS to act on this one. My idea is that, ok, you're allowed one mistake (and that, in 2009, is being crazily lenient), you'll get your allowances for breeding one.... any 'mistakes' after the one? Zero payments. Nothing whatsoever - or maybe even a Government-funded creche - and any mother who has more than one kid on benefits AUTOMATICALLY gets fast-tracked to a scheme to train her to work somewhere - anywhere - no questions, to pay for her growing brood. You just watch as the 'mistake' pregnancies plummet if that was the case.

 

In fact, with the hideous adoption rules in this country, and so many suitable, willing and desperate wannabe-parents being turned away from adoption by stupid rules and red tape.... perhaps any child over the one should be assessed fully, and if the parent has never worked or has no way of supporting the child apart from the benefit culture..... then immediate adoption. After all - why on earth would you want ONE kid that you can't support, nevermind TWO?

The main problem with almost all the scum like this piece of vermin I encounter day after day is almost always the parents.

 

Mummy and Daddy let them stay at home without any contribution to their upkeep...and slip them the odd £20 or £30 to "keep them going til dole day".

 

Plus, in almost all these cases, they come from a family that's spent generations living the dole culture.... parents claiming dole or IB, grandparents the same.

 

It's high time the benefits system was overhauled completely..... EVERYONE claiming Jobseekers Allowance should be on some sort of either training scheme to get them a solid trade or on work placements, either in the community or keeping the environment clean, tidy, litter and graffiti-free. And if, like the majority of kids on the New Deal programme, they flunk their placements, they should automatically lose ALL benefits for at least 6 weeks. For too long the Jobcentres have been lenient with these 18-24 year olds - this HAS to stop.

 

Plus - the horrendous problem of the career mothers - single teen mothers getting up the duff to get a council house, more benefits and an escape route from working life, this Government HAS to act on this one. My idea is that, ok, you're allowed one mistake (and that, in 2009, is being crazily lenient), you'll get your allowances for breeding one.... any 'mistakes' after the one? Zero payments. Nothing whatsoever - or maybe even a Government-funded creche - and any mother who has more than one kid on benefits AUTOMATICALLY gets fast-tracked to a scheme to train her to work somewhere - anywhere - no questions, to pay for her growing brood. You just watch as the 'mistake' pregnancies plummet if that was the case.

 

In fact, with the hideous adoption rules in this country, and so many suitable, willing and desperate wannabe-parents being turned away from adoption by stupid rules and red tape.... perhaps any child over the one should be assessed fully, and if the parent has never worked or has no way of supporting the child apart from the benefit culture..... then immediate adoption. After all - why on earth would you want ONE kid that you can't support, nevermind TWO?

 

Yep, I have to say that I pretty much agree on all of this tbh... Although, to be fair, a LOT of the folks who have lost jobs recently I dont think should be tarred with the same brush as workshy chavs who've barely done a day's work in their miserable, scrounging, underachieving lives and aint paid a penny into the system..... The recent unemployed who lost jobs because of the recession HAVE contributed to the system through taxes and NI, so I would give them a fair shake to find a job under their own steam, say 12 months (because, let's face, it's bloody hard to find a job just now in the present climate....), and I would also pay them a little bit more than the workshy chavs (whose benefits I'd cut in favour of giving a bit more to the recent unemployed, because, let's face it, the recent unemployed are more likely to have things like mortgages and family expenses, and significantly cutting the benefits of scroungers might just get them up off their arses and into work or training...).

 

Spot on about these career mothers as well.... indeed, the "one mistake" policy is over-generous as you say, but, I guess "benefit of the doubt" is acceptable in the first instance, after that, tough.... I think it's really time to stop being so indulgent of these people and start getting a bit more draconian..... We simply cannot afford the "something for nothing" culture anymore, and frankly, I think we've overindulged and tolerated these fukkin' "chavs" for WAY too long......

 

I have no problems whatsoever in helping those who find themselves in a bad situation not of their making, but workshy chavs, career mothers and the "career sickies" can just fukk off as far as I'm concerned, they disgrace our nation......

 

Rustt68's idea of taking a young mother's second child away from her and putting it up for adoption is quite frankly ludicrous. Don't think I've ever read a more stupid idea in my whole time on the Net. Here are my reasons to argue my point. ;) It's everyone's human right to have a child or as many children as they want. How can they work if they want to bring up the child from birth themselves which most I would think do? If there's no fathers on the scene, or they don't know who the dad is, then how else can they live without benefits? Live on fresh air? Give them a break FFS. They're hardly living in luxury as benefit rates aren't that high. Some are excellent mothers too. I agree about people on JSA doing something for their benefit but I wish people would leave single mothers and people on Incapacity Benefit and any disability benefit alone.

Edited May 9, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

Rustt68's idea of taking a young mother's second child away from her and putting it up for adoption is quite frankly ludicrous. Don't think I've ever read a more stupid idea in my whole time on the Net. Here are my reasons to argue my point. ;) It's everyone's human right to have a child or as many children as they want. How can they work if they want to bring up the child from birth themselves which most I would think do? If there's no fathers on the scene, or they don't know who the dad is, then how else can they live without benefits? Live on fresh air? Give them a break FFS. They're hardly living in luxury as benefit rates aren't that high. Some are excellent mothers too. I agree about people on JSA doing something for their benefit but I wish people would leave single mothers and people on Incapacity Benefit and any disability benefit alone.

 

Again you think nothing about throwing away money that is not yours, its fine for you to sit on your arse scrounging off the taxpayer with no intention of working but you seem to think there is a money fairy out there or something as you have total disregard for taxpayers money, the money that is being thrown at feckless chavs and their feral offspring is MY money and the money of everyone on BJ that gets off their arse and pays tax

 

Once the credit crunch is over I ould completely overhaul welfare and have the whole system based on how much someone has paid into the system via tax, never paid into the system ? tough $h!t you get nothing, come here from abroad to sponge ? you get nothing, milking an illness/depression and are a career scrounger ? again get nothing or a % of what have paid into the system, then benefits for those that have paid into the system are paid out as a % of what that person has put into the system via tax

 

The days of the career scrounger should be bought to an end

 

In terms of career mums who are just leeching off the system and showing no interest in working bring in compulsary sterilisation after the 2nd kid, why should taxpayers pay the tab for these feckless slappers who couldn't keep their legs shut and pay for their feral offspring ? f*** that

 

End the days of the career scrounger be it a girl dropping babies left right and centre, end the days of the career scrounger who won't look for a job, end the days of the career scrounger that uses lame excuses like depression as an excuse for not getting off their arse and working, it is time the benefit gravy train hit the buffers