I don't detect any great enthusiasm for Cameron but he will win comfortably by default because he is not Gordon Brown, you could put a mountain goat up against Brown and the goat would win by a landslide such is the public dislike for Brown and Labour now

 

In terms of immigration I do think that it is time to close the doors, end all new immigration into UK unless it is wealthy professionals who can invest in this country, no new immigration from Eastern Europe either, if that means pulling out of the EU so be it, benefit and housing system needs to be changed too to ensure that immigrants do not get any benefits until they have paid into the system for at least 2 years and the council housing list should be altered so that Brits go to the front of the queue and immigrants go to the bottom of the queue (regardless of skin colour am not being racist)

 

 

I don't detect any great enthusiasm for Cameron but he will win comfortably by default because he is not Gordon Brown, you could put a mountain goat up against Brown and the goat would win by a landslide such is the public dislike for Brown and Labour now

 

In terms of immigration I do think that it is time to close the doors, end all new immigration into UK unless it is wealthy professionals who can invest in this country, no new immigration from Eastern Europe either, if that means pulling out of the EU so be it, benefit and housing system needs to be changed too to ensure that immigrants do not get any benefits until they have paid into the system for at least 2 years and the council housing list should be altered so that Brits go to the front of the queue and immigrants go to the bottom of the queue (regardless of skin colour am not being racist)

 

I think perhaps we certainly should reduce the numbers of non-EU immigrants, but disagree about pulling out of the EU, we simply cannot do that tbh... I mean, I would prefer us to be a hell of a lot closer to Europe than to America, even with Obama (whom I'm frankly becoming more an more dubious about tbh...), and you have a similar situation in certain US states which are pretty over-crowded and densely populated (New York, California, Washington DC, etc, which are seen as the main hubs of the US) and others that are very sparsely populated (such as Utah, Idaho, the mid-west generally). I've often felt that in our dealings with the US we should be a lot more like the French... And besides, what the mainstream press dont disseminate very much is the fact that EU immigration is pretty fluid, thousands of people come, sure, but thousands are also leaving every year, and I think we do benefit as EU citizens by the freedom of movement within Europe, it makes travel a hell of a lot easier than 20/30 years ago, which is not only good for the people, but is surely also good for business and trade.... Everyone talks about the negatives of being in the EU, no one ever seems to mention the positives....

I think perhaps we certainly should reduce the numbers of non-EU immigrants, but disagree about pulling out of the EU, we simply cannot do that tbh... I mean, I would prefer us to be a hell of a lot closer to Europe than to America, even with Obama (whom I'm frankly becoming more an more dubious about tbh...), and you have a similar situation in certain US states which are pretty over-crowded and densely populated (New York, California, Washington DC, etc, which are seen as the main hubs of the US) and others that are very sparsely populated (such as Utah, Idaho, the mid-west generally). I've often felt that in our dealings with the US we should be a lot more like the French... And besides, what the mainstream press dont disseminate very much is the fact that EU immigration is pretty fluid, thousands of people come, sure, but thousands are also leaving every year, and I think we do benefit as EU citizens by the freedom of movement within Europe, it makes travel a hell of a lot easier than 20/30 years ago, which is not only good for the people, but is surely also good for business and trade.... Everyone talks about the negatives of being in the EU, no one ever seems to mention the positives....

 

Problem is though that the EU is expanding and expanding so the free for all will get even bigger as there are several other countries that are due to become part of the EU (Turkey applied if I remember rightly :unsure: ) so an already full and overcrowded England will get even more full unless immigration is curbed

 

I am pro EU in the sense I want to see a European free trade zone similar to the Common Market that originally joined and even joining the Euro doesn't bother me

A couple of weeks ago, I would definitely have said the Conservatives were guaranteed to win the next election...... however, with the expenses scandal, I really do feel that all bets are off now. In fact, I really do think (and hope) the Lib Dems have a shot... they're not as deeply implicated in the scandal as I originally thought, and if they make MAJOR constitutional reform the focus of their general election campaign, that could really resonate. Maybe I'm just being too idealistic though.

Problem is though that the EU is expanding and expanding so the free for all will get even bigger as there are several other countries that are due to become part of the EU (Turkey applied if I remember rightly :unsure: ) so an already full and overcrowded England will get even more full unless immigration is curbed

 

Personally, I'm totally opposed to Turkey joining the EU, frankly I'd sooner have Croatia in the EU than Turkey, Turkey has some very, very dodgy human rights issues regarding the Kurdish population.... Romania and Bulgaria should NEVER have been granted entry either, they have nothing to offer except gypsies and rampant organised crime (talk to any person from Poland or Czech Republic about Romania, the air will turn blue around you.. :lol: ), whereas the likes of Poland, Czech Republic (both of whose economies are growing considerably faster than ours, and both were relatively untouched by the Credit Crunch) and Hungary do, so I have no issues whatsoever with their entry.... But, it was really Nu Labor MEPs who pushed for the entry of Bulgaria and Romania the most...

 

I think its 2015 the year that Turkey will eligible to join the EU. And god help us if they do they will be over in droves as its such a poor country with extreme poverty for the majority.Immigration though is a total wrong area for any party to pursue has the PC media just make them look like far-right bigots.

 

Me being a labour supporter would dread an election right now has the tories (scum) would stuff labour atm.

 

Brown needs to wait till this expenses heat dies down and hold it at the last possible moment which is May 2010.

 

I even sadly think the best the party can do is a coalition with the libs.

 

Either way Brown will have to resign after the general election imo and hopefully Milliband will take over.

Political correctness has to go out of the window as immigration is a critical issue facing this country

 

The flood of Turks into England is going to make the Polish influx seem like nothing and this country and its infrastructure is not big enough to cope so it is time political correctness was cast aside and reality faced

I think its 2015 the year that Turkey will eligible to join the EU. And god help us if they do they will be over in droves as its such a poor country with extreme poverty for the majority.Immigration though is a total wrong area for any party to pursue has the PC media just make them look like far-right bigots.

 

Me being a labour supporter would dread an election right now has the tories (scum) would stuff labour atm.

 

Brown needs to wait till this expenses heat dies down and hold it at the last possible moment which is May 2010.

 

I even sadly think the best the party can do is a coalition with the libs.

 

Either way Brown will have to resign after the general election imo and hopefully Milliband will take over.

 

Miliband...? No way, he's made a right prat of himself too..... :lol: The only credible leader for Labour, and a leader who would likely bring back Labour to it's working class roots, would be someone like Frank Fields IMO..... Him, I'd possibly consider voting for as PM.....

 

The flood of Turks into England is going to make the Polish influx seem like nothing and this country and its infrastructure is not big enough to cope so it is time political correctness was cast aside and reality faced

 

Well, like I said, I dont agree with Turkey being let into the EU, they're NOT a European country any more than bloody Israel is, they're Eurasian, the gateway to the Middle East.. But, I can certainly see why Politically and strategically the Yanks and Brit Govts are pushing for this, if a war was to break out in Iran, well, wouldn't Turkey just be an absolutely brilliant staging-post..... <_< Turkey's proposed entry has very, very little to do with "political correctness" (whatever that means...), and everything to do with Political expediency....

I think its 2015 the year that Turkey will eligible to join the EU. And god help us if they do they will be over in droves as its such a poor country with extreme poverty for the majority.Immigration though is a total wrong area for any party to pursue has the PC media just make them look like far-right bigots.

 

Me being a labour supporter would dread an election right now has the tories (scum) would stuff labour atm.

 

Brown needs to wait till this expenses heat dies down and hold it at the last possible moment which is May 2010.

 

I even sadly think the best the party can do is a coalition with the libs.

 

Either way Brown will have to resign after the general election imo and hopefully Milliband will take over.

 

No chance of a pact with the Lib Dems for Labour, if anything they would deal with Cameron

 

Lib Dems under Charles Kennedy were quite left wing but Cable in particular and even Clegg seem more allied policy wise with Cameron

Well, like I said, I dont agree with Turkey being let into the EU, they're NOT a European country any more than bloody Israel is, they're Eurasian, the gateway to the Middle East.. But, I can certainly see why Politically and strategically the Yanks and Brit Govts are pushing for this, if a war was to break out in Iran, well, wouldn't Turkey just be an absolutely brilliant staging-post..... <_< Turkey's proposed entry has very, very little to do with "political correctness" (whatever that means...), and everything to do with Political expediency....

 

Yeah my poltical correctness comment was aimed at immigration in general not Turks as such

 

Whenever anyone raises or dares to suggest radical curbs on immigration they are automatically branded a racist by the PC brigade and that culture needs to stop in the media

 

 

Yeah my poltical correctness comment was aimed at immigration in general not Turks as such

 

Whenever anyone raises or dares to suggest radical curbs on immigration they are automatically branded a racist by the PC brigade and that culture needs to stop in the media

 

Ah okay, I just thought you were specifically talking about Turkey because you say "immigration" in one line and then say "floods of Turks" almost immediately after..... :P :lol:

 

I agree that NON-EU immigration has to be curbed, but, like I say, we're in a de-facto United States of Europe in all but name, but really we DO have to draw the line with regards to whom we let in... I would say that Bulgaria and Romania should never have been let in in their current states, maybe in 20/30 years or so when they're sufficiently developed, Turkey really needs to sort itself out as well before we even contemplate letting them in, they need to sort out the serious social problems and the huge gulf between rich and poor, and also their pretty sorry human rights record.... Again, that'll probably take a couple of decades before Turkey can be considered in my view.... Problem is, because we let Bulgaria and Romania in, it's a bit bloody hard to justify keeping Turkey out, but then, I rather suspect that was the idea all along.... The only new country that should've been considered after Poland, Czech Republic, etc, was Croatia, they're a developmental state in transition, so they have a far better chance of getting there than Bulgaria and Romania do. Same goes for Ukraine actually.... Hmmm, funny how no one's talking very much about them coming into the EU, well, not funny really, probably more to do with the fact that Russia wouldn't like it, and no one wants to upset Fuhrer Putin do they.....?

Miliband...? No way, he's made a right prat of himself too..... :lol: The only credible leader for Labour, and a leader who would likely bring back Labour to it's working class roots, would be someone like Frank Fields IMO..... Him, I'd possibly consider voting for as PM.....

It has to be Alan Johnson. He's easily the best member of the cabinet, has impeccable working class credentials, claims very modest expenses and is a supporter of PR.

It has to be Alan Johnson. He's easily the best member of the cabinet, has impeccable working class credentials, claims very modest expenses and is a supporter of PR.

 

The next leader of the Labour Party surely doesn't have to be a member of the Cabinet though.... I feel that Labour has to have a leader so far removed from the Party heirarchy as to be anything like credible again.. And that would tend to negate the choice being from the Cabinet.... It would certainly also negate pricks like Charles Clarke and David blundering Blunkett as well......

 

when is the next general election, i got a conservatives (ew) leaflet through my door ADDRESSED to me, but its like im 17 i cant vote :/ but if its next year i can vote, and i would rather like to put my vote against Cameron.

when is the next general election, i got a conservatives (ew) leaflet through my door ADDRESSED to me, but its like im 17 i cant vote :/ but if its next year i can vote, and i would rather like to put my vote against Cameron.

The latest date for the next general election is June 2010.

It has to be Alan Johnson. He's easily the best member of the cabinet, has impeccable working class credentials, claims very modest expenses and is a supporter of PR.

Yeah, Johnson definitely seems to me to be the member of the current Cabinet most likely to win an election. He has a really down-to-earth style of communication without sounding patronising in the way Blair and Cameron do.

The latest date for the next general election is June 2010.

 

cheers, i'll be 18 by then.

How does it benefit us to have lots of Lithuanians coming or indeed lots from any European country and them claim benefits and get priority for council housing when they've never paid a penny in? Please tell me how the UK benefits cos I sure as hell can't see it.

Christ, you're a f***ing idiot...THE UK BENEFITS FROM THE MASSIVE CHEAP LABOUR YOU ABSOLUTE DIMWIT. These people do work as well as receive benefits (mostly housing benefits anyway...)! Hence why our productive potential rocketed in 2004 when Poland etc. joined the EU. Overall we GAIN far more than we apparently 'lose' by letting these foreign workers in, to do jobs most of the people here wouldn't even consider...

 

The BNP would be a disaster for this country, simple as. The NHS is propped up by immigrants, and sending them away would also destroy this country's farming potential as we're full of idle twats who consider it beneath them!

 

In any case, the reason the BNP don't have a panelist on Question Time is because they don't have the support to warrant it! Since when was the view of just over half a percent of the electorate ever considered that important?

EU membership has huge advantages, far more than the small drawbacks like silly directives on bendy cucumbers.

 

The free movement of workers and trade is one of the best things that has happened to UK businesses over the past century. They have unrestricted access to one of the worlds most wealthy markets, and millions of potential employees.

 

And on the Turkey note, Germany is their country of choice is it not?