I've seen Karen Gillian in The Kevin Bishop Show, but that was comedy so it'll obviously be different :lol:

 

The TARDIS looks stupid after being painted <_<

I'm starting to think that Matt is quite attractive and that outfit is certainly helping for some reason.

I've seen Karen Gillian in The Kevin Bishop Show, but that was comedy so it'll obviously be different :lol:

 

The TARDIS looks stupid after being painted <_<

 

looks too blue :lol:

 

Maybe it'll look different on screen. And don't judge until you've seen them in action ;)

The show has never been about being 'taken seriously' and it gets to me when people say stuff like that. The original series had a reputation for employing super-crap, cheap special effects which looked like they might cripple if you poked your TV screen! 'Serious' TV it ain't!

 

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I've never seen her in anything so, unlike most of the Doctor Who fans on here, I think I'll actually, you know, reserve judgement until I've seen her portrayal of this Pond character, God forbid.

 

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The show has never been taken seriously?????? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

Yes of course that is why heavyweight drama &/or sci-fi scriptwriters Terry Nation, Henry Lincoln, Douglas Adams, Robert Holmes, Terrance Dicks, Dennis Spooner, Eric Saward, Malcolm Hulke, Christopher H. Bidmead, Stephen Gallagher, Brian Hayles, Robert Sloman, Chris Boucher, Peter Grimwade, Marc Platt and Ben Aaronovitch all wrote episodes for the original run (1964 - 1989), because it was a big deal to write a Doctor Who script.

 

That is why J.K. Rowling has gone on record as saying she wants to write a Dr Who script, as that was one of her lifetime ambitions.

 

That is why Stephen Spielberg said back in 1989: "The world would be a poorer place without Doctor Who". Doctor Who is as famous an iconic show worldwide as the Star Trek franchise is.

 

That is why several famous actors and comedians made cameo appearances in the original show, because Dr Who was a national institution that at its halycon peak (late 1970s) was the most watched show in the country.

 

John Cleese & Eleanor Bron cameo - Doctor Who: City of Death

 

It was only in 1981 when the country was sliding into a major recession; the Daily Mail was leading a campaign against the BBC being a waste of taxpayers money; that the BBC downgraded the amount of money spent on the show appointing the youngest ever actor for the lead role (Peter Davidson - who unlike Matt Smith was a household name thanks to playing Tristan in All Creatures Great and Small); and the show went into a rather rapid decline in quality and ratings.

 

Role forward 28 years; the BBC appoint Matt Smith (the youngest ever actor to play the role) who is reported to be on 2/9ths the salary that David Tennant was on.

 

Without sounding like a scratched record, us oldies have been here before, and the outcome was not pretty. Hence our major concerns about the 2010 series.

 

Especially knowing that British acting heavyweights Robert Carlyle, Jason Statham, Paterson Joseph, Colin Salmon, Russell Tovey, James McAvoy & the fans favourite choice Sean Pertwee all went after the main role.

 

Whilst knowing great British actresses like Anna Friel and Julia Sawalha coveted the companion role. But as Anna Friel (whom you can see acting in a British TV drama for the first time in 5 years in tonight's "The Street" reuniting with writer Jimmy McGovern for his first time since his farewell to Brookside was writing the Jordaches' killing of Trevor and the burial under the patio, that made her a household name) pointed out in an interview with the US Esquire magazine earlier this year, they could not afford to pay her the wages she wanted that they were previously paying for previous companions.

 

In short, you can't expect Sir Alex Ferguson to win the Premiership Title with a squad with the quality of Hull City, so how the hell can you realistically expect Dr Who to maintain its previous high standard if you can't afford the same calibre of actors you had previously?

 

As the old saying goes "You pay peanuts, you get monkeys". .... and hence the alarm bells.

I'm afraid that ENTIRE post was wasted (and God knows it must've taken you long enough to rattle off) because, intentionally or not, you have completely misinterpreted what I said.

 

I said that it has never been about being taken seriously - people do not watch Dr Who because they want credible, realistic television. They watch because the premise is ridiculous and a great escape from the mundanity of their lives. Here is a man whittling through time and space in a blue police box, for Christ's sake! It's a release, a brilliant work of fiction. That isn't to say that there haven't been episodes which were sad, poignant, more focused on human emotion than creatures with derranged faces etc - but that isn't what the show is ABOUT. Now please, try and read what I've said this time before you spend hours paining your hand with a violent, youtube-me-up response.

I'm afraid that ENTIRE post was wasted (and God knows it must've taken you long enough to rattle off) because, intentionally or not, you have completely misinterpreted what I said.

 

I said that it has never been about being taken seriously - people do not watch Dr Who because they want credible, realistic television. They watch because the premise is ridiculous and a great escape from the mundanity of their lives. Here is a man whittling through time and space in a blue police box, for Christ's sake! It's a release, a brilliant work of fiction. That isn't to say that there haven't been episodes which were sad, poignant, more focused on human emotion than creatures with derranged faces etc - but that isn't what the show is ABOUT. Now please, try and read what I've said this time before you spend hours paining your hand with a violent, youtube-me-up response.

 

Well, I'm sure Scott would agree with me, that you could not be any further wrong on the subject of Doctor Who if you possibly tried.

 

I expect top quality TV that is a TV highlight of the year. That is why the budget for the show is was huge for the revival. That is why top quality writers were assembled, and a very strong casting set up was used. That is why it won a shed load of awards = because it was top quality TV drama.

 

As you clearly can't grasp. The WHOLE f***ING PREMISE of the character of the Doctor from the get go was his observation of humanity itself. The very best episodes of the show did that superbly. The very worst episodes failed miserably to do that.

 

If I wanted to watch a light hearted Sci-Fi show I'd watch Red Dwarf. I watch Dr Who for pathos, great emotion, and a brilliant script well acted. If this show goes downhill fast to turn into a Sci-Fi equivalent of Skins, then I will switch off.

Yet AGAIN you twist my words Rich. You're right; he's observing humanity. I didn't deny that. Surely YOU can't deny that the show is as known for its crappy set pieces and ridiculous monsters (in the 70s and 80s) and it's fantastic use of CGI (in the modern day) as it is for being a statement about life? It's two sides of a coin. MANY millions of viewers watch Doctor Who to escape or because it's mostly light-hearted and a bit silly. I don't think it's even possible to try and pretend that isn't the case is it? There is also the deeper element, oui, but this programme is not exactly Red Riding. It's humerous, heart-warming, sometimes scary entertainment.

Yet AGAIN you twist my words Rich. You're right; he's observing humanity. I didn't deny that. Surely YOU can't deny that the show is as known for its crappy set pieces and ridiculous monsters (in the 70s and 80s) and it's fantastic use of CGI (in the modern day) as it is for being a statement about life? It's two sides of a coin. MANY millions of viewers watch Doctor Who to escape or because it's mostly light-hearted and a bit silly. I don't think it's even possible to try and pretend that isn't the case is it? There is also the deeper element, oui, but this programme is not exactly Red Riding. It's humerous, heart-warming, sometimes scary entertainment.

 

Deary me.

 

Do you think the Daleks are a fictional race of extraterrestrial mutants?

 

Well, the Daleks were created by writer Terry Nation as a metaphor of Nazism. The same with their leader Davros being a metaphor of Adolf Hitler.

 

Likewise do you think the Cybermen are a fictional race of cyborgs?

 

Well, they were created by Dr. Kit Pedler as a metaphor of communism.

 

I could go on, and on, and on, with similar metaphors for characters that are abundant throughout the lifetime of Doctor Who, this is why A List actors in the past and in the present want a part on the show for their CV; as much as they want to star in play at the prestigious National Theatre of Great Britain where a revival of Chekhov's tragicomedy Uncle Vanya is taking place in 2010 starring David Tennant and ...... Carey Mulligan (Blink's Sally Sparrow).

 

By the way in case you are not aware Doctor Who is the most watched TV show in the UK for males over the age of 34. Most of whom can remember the show first time around. They are the ones most aware of the show's history and importance to British Television history.

 

This is why in 2000 (when the show had been mothballed for 11 years), a poll carried out amongst TV critics, and the BAFTA institute and the BFI (British Film Industry) ranked Dr Who in 3rd place as the greatest British TV show of the 20th Century behind Fawlty Towers & The Wednesday Play (most famous episode: Cathy Come Home).

 

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The show has never been about being 'taken seriously' and it gets to me when people say stuff like that. The original series had a reputation for employing super-crap, cheap special effects which looked like they might cripple if you poked your TV screen! 'Serious' TV it ain't!

 

I think I have explained why your quote above is as ridiculous a statement as saying Mika has done more for British music than David Bowie. :lol:

Loving Karen more with every pic :kink: Her and Matt do compliment eachother well.

 

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Pond sounds a bit daft but it won't matter. I expect the Doctor will make a few jokes about it. No, I'm saving my opions until I actually see the series. I thought Catherine Tate would be a rubbish companion and then she became my favourite.

A potential spoiler here:

 

During Silence In The Library River Song commented to Doc10: "Crash of the Byzantium, have we done that yet?"

 

These pictures from the first week of filming are on BAD WOLF BAY - unsure if it is BWB in the show though - but centre around the crashing of a spaceship...

 

Look at whats written on the corner of a piece of the wreckage:

 

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Coincidence :kink:

 

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Also: looks like a new Sonic Screwdriver for the Doc...so much change :D

 

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AND! Finally:

 

River Songs been a naughty girl...

 

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Rockin' the Uggs, RiverSong :lol: I assume she'll be 'barefoot' on screen...

I dunno about this. David T was great as the Dr but I guess I'll be willing to give the new series a shot.

The show has never been about being 'taken seriously' and it gets to me when people say stuff like that. The original series had a reputation for employing super-crap, cheap special effects which looked like they might cripple if you poked your TV screen! 'Serious' TV it ain't!

 

The 'effects' were pretty laughable for the most part looking back, granted (I mean, come on The Daleks really do just look like corrugated iron dustbins.... :lol: ), but the storylines were usually well thought out and imaginitive, tales of alien landscapes in far flung corners of space and time, the Time War in particular was spectacular, serious Sci Fi fiction, oh, but of course, that was the Big Finish Dr Who audio books and you actually had to use your imagination :rolleyes: ... Dont try to make out that Dr Who is "childish" (as opposed to 'children's fiction'), because that's just a fiction.... Any writer will tell you that kids are the most difficult audience to actually cater for.....

 

I think the worst mistake that's been made with this series is to root it quite so pathologically on Earth... What was the point of creating Torchwood, if RTD was simply going to persist in keeping the Doc earthbound for the most part....? I sincerely hope Mr Moffatt gets the Doc THE HELL OFF EARTH and acutally INTO 'Time and Space' for a whole series.....

Deary me.

 

Do you think the Daleks are a fictional race of extraterrestrial mutants?

 

Well, the Daleks were created by writer Terry Nation as a metaphor of Nazism. The same with their leader Davros being a metaphor of Adolf Hitler.

 

Likewise do you think the Cybermen are a fictional race of cyborgs?

 

Well, they were created by Dr. Kit Pedler as a metaphor of communism.

 

Spot on Rich... To say that writers didn't actually take Dr Who seriously is itself a joke.... And, as usual, Jark talking absolute rubbish, the absolute BEST Science Fiction and Fantasy stories are those which use allegory, try reading your Phillip K Dick, Arthur C Clarke, Isaac Asimov or Aldous Huxley sometime Jark.... Mistaking the fact that they didn't have a lot of money for the effects with the foolish idea that somehow the writers, producers and actors weren't taking their parts seriously... When you talk of the Golden Age of Dr Who, it's that period in the 60s/70s/early 80s, before the unbelievably CRAP Bonnie Langford comes into the equation, and well, frankly alarm bells ring here as well for this new series...

 

Matt Smith and Whatsherface as opposed to Bobby Carlyle/Patterson Joseph/James McAvoy/Sean Pertwee and Anna Friel/Carey Mulligan/Julia Sawalha.... Anna Friel missed out just because they "couldn't afford her", presumably this is the reason for Alex Kingston only being in a few episodes as well as opposed to being the LOGICAL choice for Companion (which Moffat even very clearly SETS UP in 'Silence in the Library', ffs)... Christ, what absolute lame-ass, cut-price sh!t are they gonna give us ffs.....? Frankly, I would rather the BBC take money from HBO or the Sci Fi Channel (who, er kind of know a thing or two about good Sci Fi, seeing as how they made the brilliant, award winning, highly intelligent and allegorical Battlestar Galactica remake - the Cylons created as a Slave Race who rebel against their human masters and find 'The One True God' - and are now gonna drop the prequel Caprica on us which, if the pilot is anything to go by, will hit us like a megaton nuclear explosion....) and MAKE DR WHO THE ABSOLUTE BEST SHOW IT CAN BE...... I have no doubts about Stephen Moffat's writing (his skills as a writer are unquestionable), but I have serious concerns and reservations over decisions he's making as an executive producer.....

If this show goes downhill fast to turn into a Sci-Fi equivalent of Skins, then I will switch off.

 

Frankly, that's my absolute, WORST fear tbh mate..... -_-

 

"Viewers will have to wait and see who she plays and how her character fits into the series."

As if she will be anything other than River Song. :lol:

 

Well, how's that gonna work then....? In Silence in the Library, she makes a comment about David Tenant's Doctor being "so young" or words to that effect, what the hell's she gonna say about Matt Smith..? "So, pre-natal...??? :rolleyes: .... Tenant is 40, Matt Smith is 26..... Which is why it makes NO BLEEDIN' SENSE to cast such a young actor in the role, Moffat's kind of screwed the pooch in terms of continuity.... Casting someone like Robert Carlyle (48) or Sean Pertwee (45) would've made much more sense, as both these actors at least look a bit older than Tenant, even if they are all roughly in the same age bracket - Tenant looks young for his age actually.....

 

A Sean Pertwee or Bobby Carlyle/Alex Kingston starring Dr Who makes a damn sight more logical sense than what Moffat has actually gone for, IMO, it makes more logical and cohesive sense in terms of the actual continuity established in Silence in the Library.....

 

And, I agree that the TARDIS paint job looks unbelievably naff..... It looks like a piece of plastic, or some fukkin' IKEA flat-pack job.... :rolleyes:

Of course. Without this show there would be no Torchwood so dont rubbish it too much :P

 

Chris has a point though.... "Children of Earth" has set the bar incredibly highly in terms of UK Sci Fi drama, whatever age group you're talking about, and Dr Who is FAMILY Drama, let's get this right please.... The most recent two Dr Who specials really haven't been anything to write home about in terms of the plots or stories, and then you get something like "Children of Earth" which just blasts the ball out of the park and hits a home run.... The new series of Dr Who has got a LOT to live up to after 'Torchwood - Children of Earth', imo. In fact, Torchwood near-as-dammit got to BSG/Babylon 5/Star Trek TNG levels of quality.... And that is something I dont say lightly.....

 

Speaking of Star Trek, that (and it's spin offs) were also considered to be Family (Star Trek and its spin offs always got the tea-time slots on Beeb 2) Sci Fi Drama, and the levels of sophistication you got in those shows was incredible.... Just saying something is a "kids show" is actually quite dismissive.....