It's not for me to say. It's a great song though, never heard it before :o

 

 

The only problem each contest will run longer and you end up with running a contest once every 6 weeks, which in the long run could work better for some.

 

I think the best solution is the first 49, once they confirm stay in the contest, the ones that miss out get top priority the following contest, personally I do hate the waiting list, I wish there was another way round it to be honest.

 

So I guess I have to remove Simon from the list :unsure:

 

btw I quoted the wrong person, I was meant to quote Thisispop

So is Simon in or not then? I love that song, and he is a "founder member" of the contest. :lol:

You see, this is the difficult position I'm put in - as much as I'd LOVE to have Simondly and Rivandia in ahead of the other unproven countries, to put them up in the list just because of the fact they're more experienced would undoubtedly cause a massive backlash...while to do the opposite and ignore it completely would do the same thing. Go figure. I'm tempted to announce an amnesty and allow returning countries to enter anyway, but this would provoke big complaints for 'favouring the old guard'...I really hate being moderator sometimes LOL :(

 

And no, before anyone gets excited that's NOT a sign I'm about to quit anytime soon ever :smoke:

 

To respond to your proposition TIP, it's a good thought but there are a few problems:

 

A - It wouldn't exactly do much for the state of permanent BJSC, would it? :lol:

B - You'd get problems with entry - for example, I don't think people would be particularly happy with non-qualifiers getting first dibs on their planned entries while they watch powerless. It would lead to both a distraction from the current contest, as well as providing an advantage for not qualifying...not exactly a position to my taste. If people are paranoid enough to suggest people will enter deliberately bad entries with the purpose of retaining a place in the contest, you can bet they'll allege people are flopping on purpose to bag the next big leak first...

C - as well as this, regardless of the nature of the entry of the country, it would suffer from having gone through two rounds by the time it gets to the final - people already comment on going off songs, so it could alternatively lead to a case where people do perpetually badly due to the vagaries of time - repeated listens and all that jazz.

D - as has already been mentioned, just watch everyone play it safe with their entries if this is ever implemented! :P

 

I don't like the idea of relegation on a large scale (I don't particularly mind it in cases of ones or twos - with the waiting list in fact, this is inevitable. Someone will have to leave to accomodate Deandria in XX...) as we have several cases we can point to where it would clearly have robbed us of a winner/good finisher. Release Me anyone? :P Additionally, although I can't think of any at the current moment, I'm sure there have been countless cases where someone's finished near the bottom in their semi in one contest only to go into the top ten overall in the next (anyone care to research this one for me? :o)...Nickodonia possibly have done it, although I can't for the life of me recall their exact positions :lol: Skall maybe too...

I'm not too keen on one contest every six weeks either tbh...while perpetual BJSC is obviously something we wish to avoid, we do have a timetable we would like to keep to which keeps things in check :heehee: Namely with the aim of keeping the Best of the BJSC in November with 10 contests to pick from...

This competition has just become too big now, loads of new countries are signing up, its like a monster trying to burst at its seams, I know in the long run Tyron is correct about the waiting list, there is no other way round it, I just feel somewhere down the line people won't bother to apply if they have to wait 3 months, but I do agree with Tyron's suggestions it makes sense, I know a lot of members are not keen on the waiting list idea until there is another solution round it.

At the end of the day, we have had to react to something we didn't expect.

 

We've grown so quickly since i've become mod. It's not something we want to do and i know it's not a perfect solution but it's what we've come up with in the short amount of time we've had to sort it out.

I don't like the waiting list idea much either, but a 54-5 country contest is crazy! I hope I don't have to be the first one to run three semis :(

I can confirm now having toyed with the idea before that, after a great deal of thinking I have concluded that we will never have three semis...it not only makes it incredibly unfair on all participants, particularly those with songs that appeal to particular tastes, and their ability to qualify, but it does nothing to solve the problem we face.

 

For those who wish to see the extended explanation, refer to the thread in which we debated what course of action to take as well as my recent post in the Waiting List thread and RabbitFurCoat's post there...

 

And Addy, unless you come last in your semi, it is incredibly unlikely you will ever have to go on the waiting list :P

I don't think any of us like that we have to implement a waiting list...least of all me :lol: (Given I would LOVE some of our returning members to be taking part, but can't exactly bump them up the list can I? :P Oh, and the fact that I have to deal with the flak it gets :lol:) But, let's face it, it's not meant to be a solution we like...the contest faces its equivalent of global warming. Its current growth is unsustainable, and as much as we would love to carry on growing endlessly, we simply can't maintain our current growth without unsavoury consequences upon the ability for participants to qualify...

I don't mind the waiting list idea, the songs I usually enter not many people have heard of anyway so there is little chance of someone else taking it beofre me / it becoming cheap. :P

I don't think any of us like that we have to implement a waiting list...least of all me :lol: (Given I would LOVE some of our returning members to be taking part, but can't exactly bump them up the list can I? :P Oh, and the fact that I have to deal with the flak it gets :lol:) But, let's face it, it's not meant to be a solution we like...the contest faces its equivalent of global warming. Its current growth is unsustainable, and as much as we would love to carry on growing endlessly, we simply can't maintain our current growth without unsavoury consequences upon the ability for participants to qualify...

where we are now we are seeing amazing entries suffer in two semis.

 

The past two contest we've seen some great entries fail because they've been in a indie semi [Nevio/Cilmi] or in the 'RnB Bloc' semi.

The waiting list isn't a particularly good thing, it's just the least bad of any potential solution really...

where we are now we are seeing amazing entries suffer in two semis.

 

The past two contest we've seen some great entries fail because they've been in a indie semi [Nevio/Cilmi] or in the 'RnB Bloc' semi.

Yeah, if we're in that scenario with two semis, I'd like to know what those who are proposing we go for three reckon will happen to the situation if we go for it? :lol:

where we are now we are seeing amazing entries suffer in two semis.

 

The past two contest we've seen some great entries fail because they've been in a indie semi [Nevio/Cilmi] or in the 'RnB Bloc' semi.

 

hmm, maybe the host should start to split up the semis a bit like they do in Eurovision and not leave it all to an internet randomiser :heehee: it does seem that we always have an 'indie semi' and a 'pop' or an 'r&b' semi...which many argued led to some weaker qualifiers to the final in XVIII...

Yeah, if we're in that scenario with two semis, I'd like to know what those who are proposing we go for three reckon will happen to the situation if we go for it? :lol:

We'd no doubt find those for 3semi's would be firmly against them when they stop qualifying.

hmm, maybe the host should start to split up the semis a bit like they do in Eurovision and not leave it all to an internet randomiser :heehee: it does seem that we always have an 'indie semi' and a 'pop' or an 'r&b' semi...which many argued led to some weaker qualifiers to the final in XVIII...

Some absolute $h!te went through in XVII over Nevio/Cilmi.

 

Some of the stuff that just beat me in the semi got less points in the final, whereas i had the chance to get more.

 

 

If i hosted there would be no random semi's, the RnB bloc and the indie bloc would be split to give everything a fair chance. And to stop another Non Ti Aspettavo

Some of the stuff that just beat me in the semi got less points in the final, whereas i had the chance to get more.

 

this is such a common situation :( Headhunted was on course to pick up enough 8's, 10's and 12's to send it into at least the top 15 in the final, even if it had picked up no smaller points from anywhere...

this is such a common situation :( Headhunted was on course to pick up enough 8's, 10's and 12's to send it into at least the top 15 in the final, even if it had picked up no smaller points from anywhere...

X imo was a horrific contest, and not just because of our DNQ's [mine could have been avoided :drama:]

 

Headhunted would have made a great addition to the final. Hell half the DNQ's were better than the winner. :nocheer:

 

Bloc Power FTL

why not just stop new countries from applying? If in the future fewer countries participate, then bring back the applications.

this is such a common situation :( Headhunted was on course to pick up enough 8's, 10's and 12's to send it into at least the top 15 in the final, even if it had picked up no smaller points from anywhere...

 

 

I agree Headhunted would have made a great addition in the final, I guess a lot of members were smoking :smoke:

I don't think you can start 'fixing' semi finals tbh and purposely splitting people up. Seems completely unfair imo, and it's obviously just coincidence that certain blocs have ended up in the same semis.

why not just stop new countries from applying? If in the future fewer countries participate, then bring back the applications.

An idea we could consider...I'm not denying that new countries can bring something to this contest though, despite my complaints about the problems they cause :P

why not just stop new countries from applying? If in the future fewer countries participate, then bring back the applications.

As Tyron said it is a possibility.

 

Not one i like, but it's worth considering.

 

 

The waiting list is here for this contest and the next while we sort it out and start on our To-Do list.